Transcript
Corey
0:01
On October 17th, 1931, an American entrepreneur that led an entertainment and security conglomerate was found guilty of tax evasion. But you see, Al Capone wasn't just an entrepreneur. It turns out he was also a criminal and a mob boss. He died in Florida from complications due to syphilis. And that is where the similarities between Al Capone and Donald Trump, present and future, end. Because you see, Donald Trump was president of the United States. Donald Trump was facing his his own set of yes, you're guilty of that, but not the thing you should really be going down for charges. The man who followed up a career of lying and not paying bills with a second career of preying on people's anxieties, abuse of power, obstruction of Congress, attempting to overthrow American democracy, and stealing
Corey
0:44
stealing classified documents was also, it seems in the course of that, falsifying business records. And in New York on Thursday, May 30th, a jury of his peers found him guilty.
Corey
0:56
American democracy can now be split into two, B.C. and A.D. B.C. before conviction, A.D. After Donald did so much fundraising, his website crashed. For
Corey
1:07
For you see, there's one other difference between Al Capone and Donald Trump. Al Capone isn't the current frontrunner to be president. Al Capone didn't have an allegedly serious group of people take to the airwaves to defend him and say that his conviction marked nothing less than the end of rule of law.
Corey
1:24
But as seismic as the court decision was, and make no mistake, it was seismic, not
Corey
1:28
not much has changed.
Corey
1:30
Donald Trump still gets closer every day to proving that his supporters would stay with him if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue, and Al Capone would be mighty impressed by that. That's America right now.
Corey
1:40
And this is You
Carter
1:48
and that was cory hogan and i'm stephen carter and tonight we are joined by a very special guest someone who's recently been in washington dc who has his finger on the pulse of what is happening in the united states
Carter
2:02
someone who is there someone who is on the ground ladies and gentlemen gentlemen i bring to you mr zane velji special oh
Zain
2:10
oh well thank you welcome
Zain
2:12
oh my goodness yeah first time long time uh other than the times where i used to host the show uh when it was better um you know i have just come back from dc it is absolutely true uh and the pandas carter they're coming back america's
Zain
2:25
america's america's one this this recent 34 guilty charges against their a former president that won't stop america because the pandas are coming back yeah
Corey
2:36
yeah 34 also people don't know this but zane's like a huge mega guy oh one
Zain
2:41
one of the biggest that's why you should see
Carter
2:48
way to go samuel um
Corey
2:50
so so here's the thing what do we talk about today today
Carter
2:53
today we are going to talk about one thing and one thing only okay
Carter
2:56
i hope it's the thing i
Corey
2:57
i did the intro on
Zain
2:59
i i'm pretty so
Zain
3:00
pretty sure it's the pandas i
Carter
3:03
i thought it was going to be samuel alito flying his uh his flag upside down but actually it is going to be 34 times 34 guilty 34 times we got to listen to the jury say no sir you are wrong and uh now we got a sentencing hearing so this is all very exciting we're going to talk about donald trump and his his uh his his trial trials and tribulations cory i
Corey
3:28
i gotta tell you i'm a little surprised because you said he would be convicted so i was i
Corey
3:33
a hundred percent sure it was going to be convicted
Carter
3:35
so there's a couple of questions zane um one of the things you'll find about this one we don't actually have segments in this section in this in this thing it's
Corey
3:43
it's nothing to move it on to bud sorry just
Carter
3:44
just uh we just talked about things so what did you think when where were you when the verdicts came down i was ignoring
Zain
3:51
ignoring a call from stephen carter um and then and then i and then i saw a text by stephen carter which i also uh ignored to chime in on because you have peddled misinformation in the past and i wanted to make sure that this was not one of your cases of peddling such misinformation and then uh and then i was where everyone was uh on a thursday afternoon afternoon, Carter, near my television watching Fox News covering Taco Bell's absence of significant condiments at their national locations as part of the cost of living and inflation crisis. Because, Carter, that is what they were covering when Donald Trump was found guilty of 34 charges in a Manhattan court.
Carter
4:36
You know, they don't even try it anymore. They're not even trying. They just phone it it in what do you think of that uh there cory what do you think of the on the ground analysis from uh mr zane i
Zain
4:46
i wasn't on the ground i'll just be clear i i am back but the wisdom i have uh i have taken absorbed one might say uh over the past week is paying dividends i'd say in the first five minutes of this podcast oh
Corey
5:00
oh yeah big big time i would agree your topical references are on point right now for sure hey
Corey
5:06
hey the cost of living crisis that joe biden created is probably more important than talking about the first u.s president convicted of a felony also the second through 34th president to be convicted of a felony probably
Zain
5:21
probably yeah no one of the one of the best and most interesting you know i'm i'm always a fan of of like leaderboards you know this carter right like i've been a long time leaderboard guy yeah
Zain
5:32
yeah but like you got a lot of leaderboards i love I love it. And it's like, and you know, people say like, you'll always be the first. But you know what I love about leaderboards? Like, and it's the leaderboards I love the most are the ones where the person is so dominant that they
Zain
5:48
they hold the first, and I'm just gonna throw a number here, 34 positions on that leaderboard. Like, they are shattering their own record over and over again. I mean, it is incredible. And he did it in just mere moments. He's just one after the the other just shattering his own i thought it was impressive personally yeah
Carter
6:09
well it it's pretty exciting and now uh cory
Carter
6:12
cory i mean as someone who doesn't follow american politics what was your reaction when uh when i was right and uh you were shocked i
Corey
6:19
i gotta tell you so i was at work and i work at a university and convocation is occurring this week and um in the room right like there's the graduates who are sitting and there's the people who are watching the graduates supporting the graduates out there in the room i
Corey
6:38
just started to hear this murmur going up around the room and my first thought is what the fuck is happening in this room and then my phone rings and it's you stephen carter because you called me after zane didn't answer and
Corey
6:51
and i didn't answer i think i called you first and then i called yeah it was even better yeah even better and that takes
Zain
6:56
takes us into to our segment on white privilege um why why carter decides to call white we don't we don't have segments okay oh sorry okay no no it's been a while since this show was hosted by me and good so quake uh go ahead yeah well
Corey
7:12
and so this murmur goes up and i see on the phone that donald trump guilty on 34 and then it was like it
Corey
7:18
it just got passed around the room and you could tell that people were kind of you could see people reacting i got to see thousands of people react to it in real time and it was it was pretty remarkable because it was one of those things where you're like well this is this is fucking news like this is a big thing that
Corey
7:34
that we are going to be considering and talking about for
Corey
7:38
for quite some time yeah
Carter
7:41
yeah so let's talk about this a little bit more uh one of the things i was most interested in is we won't have to wait long for the sentencing uh sentencing is going to come on july the 11th and
Carter
7:54
i think that you know cory one of the things that you were skeptical on is a guilty verdict at all that's true you were you were skeptical about a guilty verdict at all let alone uh the prior the probability or more
Carter
8:07
improbability that donald trump would actually face jail time uh what do you think what are are your thoughts now now that we've got a 34 uh counts conviction we've got 10 uh contempt of court violations we've got uh you
Carter
8:21
you know no contrition whatsoever what are your thoughts on does he
Carter
8:25
he actually go to jail i
Corey
8:28
mean maybe um so here's the thing like as i was watching i'll just i'll fully confess i think we even talked about it on this pod within a pod i thought the new New York charges were in some ways kind of flimsy. And I don't mean legally flimsy. I mean, it's
Corey
8:44
it's not really why he should be going to jail, right? It's a rule. He broke the rule. But it seems like a bit of a stretch. Like, the thing for me was always, yes, I have no doubt that there was a campaign advantage. I have no doubt that he wanted people to help support his campaign. But I also don't have any personal doubt that he wouldn't have been doing catch and kill and trying to control his reputation, even if he wasn't a candidate. And it just, it didn't seem like the thing he should go down by. You know, the Al Capone analogy, I think is apt, right? Al Capone was a murderer. And he went to jail for 11 years for tax evasion, or he was sentenced for 11 years. He got let out because he had untreated syphilis, that part's real. And, you know, and he ultimately died in Florida. And
Corey
9:32
it just, to me, it never felt like the thing he should go down for. And one of my big, big concerns, Stephen, and we talked about this, I think on the pod, but definitely off the air, is that it would just sort of reinforce the people who are already with Donald Trump saying like, oh, here we fucking go. Like, they have used the law, they have found a way to wedge it against him. This is like a novel application of, because in New York, it's only a felony if it's in service of another crime. And the crime they determined was election campaign finance. You know,
Corey
10:05
to this day, it sort of feels like a stretch to me that it's a felony charge. charge um and you know the risk to come will be i think significant but your question was really about jail time and when you get those 34 charges so quickly i
Corey
10:22
don't know a boy can dream that
Corey
10:24
that we might get some jail time
Carter
10:26
out of this so
Carter
10:27
so uh zane when you're dreaming about uh donald trump and uh these these uh charges that he's been uh you know now found guilty on what do you dream of Do you see Donald Trump in an orange jumpsuit?
Zain
10:40
jumpsuit? Well, as you know, I was recently in the United States where I indulged in some Panera Bread. And it's not a type of bread, but it's in fact a restaurant chain. I'll explain more to you later. Quite one of the sophisticated elements of American life, especially in the Northeast, that I'm sure neither
Zain
10:57
of you are aware of. See, once again, you don't understand. You can't even grasp what America's done with bread. You can't even grasp America. It's a place called Panera Bread, but they sell bad coffee mainly on a subscription basis. It's quite something. Carter, here's the thing. Okay, here's what's going to happen. Donald Trump is
Zain
11:14
is going to not even have his—here's some bold predictions. Here's some Stephen Carter-like predictions, actually, okay? July 11th, that's when sentencing is. I think that day gets punted.
Zain
11:26
I do not think he's going to get sentencing four days before he meets the Republican conference in the convention and picks his VP. I do not think that's going to happen. So that's the first thing. I think this is going to be delayed.
Zain
11:45
will he face prison time? Well, it's on the table. like so i just from the fact base 34 felony charges up to 5 000 fine and a four-year prison sentence for each right um so it's generally like sentencing
Corey
11:59
sentencing guidelines would be concurrent correct
Zain
12:01
correct correct correct exactly exactly so that's what you have right so it's not like you multiply 34 times four that's not what you look but like that's it's on the table that's good so people know it is on the table right um
Zain
12:12
um yeah but i think the man if he got got sentenced to 120 plus that'd be amazing that'd be amazing yeah that'd be great um i mean i don't know if it'd be great it would it would be something i think there's two things though politically i want to mention though number one korey's absolutely right as it relates to donald trump using this outlaw image he already has the mugshot is already being distributed prior to this uh uh you know um charge uh 34 time charge coming out uh today the the mugshot's already being being memefied in a way that is not being used by Democrats, but indeed by MAGA to support his fundraising and to support and galvanize his base. And that is only going to have an opportunity to continue. Secondly, and I think this might be the bigger political point from my perspective, and it's not about Donald Trump, it's about Joe Biden, is that this thing is, election is headed to a referendum on Joe Biden in its current trajectory. And the Biden camp cannot allow allow something like this, a 34 time felony charge to just speak by itself, which is one of the reasons I was actually a big fan of Robert De Niro the other day, as part of a campaign construct showing up to the trial and being like, you fucking and yes, he got into a fights with with mega and all that sort of stuff. And it became a bit of a sideshow. But it to me, it shows some effort on the part of the Democrats to kind of just be like, fuck it, we actually will need to explain to people why this matters versus just being like look right here 34 time you know 34 felony charges guys like isn't it obvious and the answer that they should be receiving after multiple times of trying isn't it obvious is it's fucking not obvious and tell a story around it and the person who tells an incredible story around it is donald trump he told the best version of the story today was it sloppy and sounded like a fourth grader absolutely but rigged corrupt soros back da and a judge who was not fit to preside in a jurisdiction in which we had 5%. Fuck, man, I just consumed all of that very quickly, because it's super easy to understand. And frankly, to the layperson, and of course, to his base, quite persuasive, if I will say. So, you know, at the end of the day, the Biden team has to do quite a bit of storytelling and narrative constructing beyond saying, isn't it fucking obvious that this guy can't fit to lead? He's a 34 time felon. The answer that the American public through poll poll after poll after poll is telling them is, no, it isn't because your guy is fucking old. And that's not fair, but that's life and that's politics right now.
Corey
14:40
Hey, can I jump on the old thing?
Corey
14:42
This is obviously a challenge that Joe Biden's dealing with. You can argue about fairness or not. But when one of the things people are concerned about is your age, why
Corey
14:52
why do you get Robert
Zain
14:52
Robert De Niro to go talk
Zain
14:55
talk for you? Like,
Corey
14:56
Like, doesn't that sort of of reinforce like robert
Zain
14:58
robert de niro is basically well
Corey
15:01
robert de niro is 80 years old he is as old as joe biden who is like 81 i believe didn't
Corey
15:07
didn't didn't that seem like a
Corey
15:09
a bit of a bad call i
Carter
15:10
i i i have no idea i was like robert
Carter
15:14
robert de niro showing up at the courthouse certainly did add some entertainment that didn't need to be added in my opinion i mean it was already an entertaining enough situation without having robert you know good old bob showing up and
Carter
15:27
and uh laying into some protesters it just struck me as uh unnecessary you
Corey
15:33
know this octogenarian versus septuagenarian smackdown that they've got going is but
Carter
15:38
but i think that zane's point is is right i mean not necessarily i may not necessarily agree with the tactics but i think zane's point that that's going to require some sort of definition from the from the camp of the of the president is likely true you know
Carter
15:55
know we can disagree about the tactics that were used but I think that the actual strategic objective is that they need to they need to start putting some some color on this frame otherwise it's gonna it's gonna be really difficult for people to understand what's actually going on and why why this wasn't some sort of a setup job that was put together by a justice department in New York that was
Corey
16:22
Can I ask you, this is one of the things that I think my gut feeling is the Biden campaign has been hoping if this conviction came that there will just be, I'm
Corey
16:32
I'm not even saying everybody, like obviously there's deeply polarized country, 40% are going to stay with Donald Trump him no matter what but maybe five percent will
Corey
16:43
oh fuck he's a felon i don't i
Zain
16:45
i don't think we can have him in fact cory
Zain
16:46
cory your your guesstimation is not far off from the recently available public opinion polling it's six and seven percent based on two recent polls no that's of republicans in swing states who would consider voting who would consider shifting away from trump should these this was theoretical because it wasn't this hadn't happened yet um should the conviction um happen so to speak does
Carter
17:09
does that happen zane does that happen like it's one thing it's like motherhood and apple pie to say i'm not going to vote for a convicted felon and
Carter
17:16
and once it's happened only
Corey
17:17
only six or seven points were on the table yeah
Carter
17:20
yeah i mean doesn't doesn't
Zain
17:22
six or seven points actually give you more um doesn't
Zain
17:26
doesn't it sound more realistic than if it was 35 would say totally right like if it was 35 would would back away from their guy if he was convicted i'd be like like well fucking none of these people are doing it but six or seven to me i mean you guys tell me sounds like a reasonable enough number with
Corey
17:43
yeah i think it's one of those things where it's also like we talk a lot on
Corey
17:47
on our other podcast on the same thing the podcast that this is a podcast within about
Corey
17:53
about that you know beware of novel concepts right like you pull on these concepts and people give you an opinion and it's gone in a heartbeat you know like they learn one new fact And they changed their opinion.
Corey
18:05
That's not so much the case with Donald Trump and potentially him being a felon and going to jail, is it? I mean, I feel like this has been in the zeitgeist for a while. Americans have talked about this, thought about this, have probably created in their minds red lines that, yeah, many have been blown past. but like we are just talking about it's like in the movie dave you remember when they're trying to get the electricity back from the lamb into the command module and so they do this complicated thing but
Corey
18:32
but they just need a few volts right right well they
Carter
18:35
they have to it takes out it takes so many tries right to figure it out
Corey
18:38
out well it well but then they realize the reverse and they're like you're gonna lose a lot along the way and he's like yeah but i'm only talking about four volts well we're only talking about four votes we're only talking about a chunk of votes in in like the right places in the Midwest. And so to me, it doesn't seem impossible that this could actually fundamentally change the race. I'm sure we'll have polling within days on this
Carter
18:59
We'll have polling like tomorrow. There'll be some sort of instant poll that was done tonight because the result came back quick enough. I'm quite confident we're going to see polling. But is that polling going to be reflective of how it ends? Or is it just another data point that we anticipate Trump responding to or being susceptible to that ultimately gets blown out of the water because no rules apply to Trump. Well,
Zain
19:23
Well, at the end of the day, I think what's important here for the Biden camp is an extension of my earlier point is that let's say the best scenario presents itself, that the low single digit number of Trump supporters are now open open for, for
Zain
19:40
for the Biden camp, right? And it's in his, yeah, they need to talk about something, they need something, you know, and right now, this election is turning out to be a referendum on Biden, and more specifically his age. So like, you know, it can't just be like, great, they're ours, they need something to magnetize them over. And I don't mind the broader sort of democracy construct that they're trying to use, or the women's rights construct that they're trying to But we might see a very interesting tact by the Biden campaign, especially as they use advertising, especially as they try to target different states with topics that they haven't covered yet, if they have deep found insights that they're trying to create what would arguably be a multi-million, if not hundreds of millions of dollars targeting this small 7% of Trump voters in swing states and trying to bring them over to Biden. This is the type of hand-to-hand combat that we may not have seen on a presidential level so explicitly that is going to have to play out, ironically, over airwaves and advertising around multiple issues, depending on the diversity and the texture of this group and how deep the Biden research goes. But regardless, you know, they have an uphill battle here because this is already molding and hardening into a referendum on Biden without them necessarily having any sort of defense or immunity for it, despite the fact that there's three other indictments on the table against Donald Trump. This is just one of them that has come back with a guilty verdict.
Carter
21:09
Yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated by the whole thing. What are you going to add there, Corey? well
Corey
21:13
well i'm i'm i'm i'm currently alarmed by how much zane velgey knows about american politics which is a lot more than me that's that's
Carter
21:20
that's he was just he's our he's our special guest bamboo per
Zain
21:25
per panda per year did you know that i'm not even joking i did a panda panda bamboo budget is half a million they just
Corey
21:31
just chew through that well because you'll remember they were here at the calgary zoo for for a hot minute and then they you know they went back to china during covid covid
Carter
21:40
yeah pretty pretty great times uh when we had the pandas and changed everything saw
Corey
21:44
saw them one of them pooped in front of my son he lost his mind just lost
Corey
21:48
lost his fucking mind it was great it was
Carter
21:51
was great that's hard to anticipate with lost his fucking mind you don't know where that's going to end up can
Corey
21:57
can i just say like this is one of the things that i think in some ways yeah i mean we're we're creating our own proof point here but it took us 20 minutes to go from donald
Corey
22:07
donald trump 34 for convictions to hey let's talk about joe biden's age more like this is a real problem in the u.s campaign right there that's
Zain
22:16
that's where the headspace
Corey
22:16
headspace is a real fucking problem yeah yeah
Corey
22:19
so like let's let's uh let's pull it let's listen honestly like i i think it's it's an interesting challenge given
Carter
22:25
given that you've already won with nenshi um how how do you make sure that people focus on the right question when you're running a winning campaign how do you get biden to uh the people around Biden to actually focus in on redefining a
Zain
22:43
a new question. It's such a good question, Carter. You know, I haven't won anything yet. And just going through the list of folks on this pod who have won something recently, definitively, I may have to turn it back to you on that one, Carter. Your recent campaign for Mayor Jyoti Gondek was a historic and come-from-behind victory against Jeremy Farkas. uh well documented even a podcast done on a different podcast about uh how you were able to win that carter uh what would you say to your own question well
Carter
23:11
well here's what i would say to my own question i i would say that uh if you're talking about yourself you're going to lose if you're talking about the future of the country you have a chance and if you're talking about donald trump you're probably on the right track uh i think that there's been a lot of discussion that they can't talk about trump they can't just keep talking about trump every time that the focus is on Trump, he actually gets better. But now it's just not Donald Trump. Now it's 34 times convicted, felon Donald Trump. And I think that, you know, at the very least, that line needs to get trotted out and worked through. Right now, of course, the president of the United States has not weighed in on any of Donald Trump's problems. And I think that that's been a mistake. I think that this is the opportunity for them to actually weigh in and start talking about donald trump the felon uh versus you know keep in mind that donald trump the groper had legs had had so many legs that he actually had to uh commit election fraud so that the rest of the story didn't come out this is
Zain
24:14
is my concern that they just lean into donald trump the felon you know who's leaning into donald trump the felon fucking
Zain
24:19
fucking donald trump donald and you know who's winning on donald trump the felon as a as a lane for both fundraising memification and and hardening of their base, Donald Trump. So the fact that the Democrats will produce multi-million dollar creative that will be jujitsu-ed before it even sees the light of day, the Democrats will have to be creative here. You've
Carter
24:40
You've got to start talking about Trump. It's not an easy challenge. Trump is a— I'm saying the same thing. Trump is your opportunity. I'm saying the same thing. We're not saying the same thing. Here's the thing. I think that he actually has to go in and they have to attack— they
Carter
24:53
they have to actually build the case that Donald Trump is a bad man. You know, there are a group of people, a small group of people who are going to jump in and say, you know what, that is okay. It's okay. We like him as a bad man. But I don't think that 50% of the population is going to vote for him because he's a good, you know, because he's an asshole. There's a small segment that like him as an asshole. The rest of them are going to see him as a convicted felon who may or may not even have had to go to jail prior to this election. I mean, that's the way this is going to work after July the 11th. I disagree with your assessment to Zane on the assessment around July 11th. I don't think it's going to get pushed. I think the motherfucker is going to be fucking sentenced on July the 11th. What do you think, Corey? July the 11th? Is he in? Sorry,
Zain
25:37
Sorry, just before you respond, I and like, thank you for inviting me to the show. I'm not sure if you guys do the American thing of having strawmans in every response Carter gives. I'm not sure if that's like part of the show, where he like, you know, is disingenuous with other people's points, whatever, just to kind of like, toot his own horn. It sounds very American, and I was prepared for it. But I just wanted to check in with you if he does it on every response or just this one in particular.
Zain
26:03
just this one but
Carter
26:05
usually am much more respectful as you
Zain
26:07
you know what I was saying and I'm going to quote myself according to Carter Donald Trump is a good man so let's just leave him be that's what the Democrats should do that's
Carter
26:16
that's literally what you said that's
Carter
26:18
that's literally what you said I am just merely reporting back to you the words that you used well
Corey
26:24
well I don't think I can agree with Zane that Donald Trump is a good man but I do generally I do
Corey
26:29
generally agree with Zane's point point that if if donald trump is trying to market himself one way and joe biden's trying to market him the exact same fucking way somebody is wrong and the fact that donald trump was leading in the polls up until this moment makes me think might be the biden campaign that's wrong and so but
Carter
26:49
this is the moment the moment has shifted has
Corey
26:52
has it right you've
Carter
26:53
you've got to be you've
Corey
26:54
you've got it might
Corey
26:55
i think it might have i don't know for sure it has well
Carter
26:58
well i i would sure as hell give it a whirl yeah you
Carter
27:01
you You know, give it a whirl.
Carter
27:02
Let's see if the United States wants to elect a felon. I
Zain
27:05
I agree with giving it a whirl, actually. Like, as a philosophy for the Democrats, trying to not be so safe and risk averse and say that it's self-evident what Donald Trump is, so we don't need to introduce his charges and we're not going to try to get a lot of shit or attempt to get a lot of shit to stick, is not working. So I agree on that side of things. I just think it needs to be more than, look, he's guilty. It needs to be, how the fuck does this matter to you, small percentage of people who have a chance to come over to us because our guy is fucking old and you also don't like him? Like, that's the question they're trying to solve for.
Corey
27:44
more jobs. It's Bidenomics. It's good. It's more jobs. Like, I don't know. Like, he seems to be running kind of like a version of a candidate that is like a very early GPT transformer when I see him speak, right? right? Like just staccato sentences about the things that are working
Carter
28:02
working that you think would be kind of the traditional political things to work.
Corey
28:05
And it's not working for them. So I will also throw myself, I will also bet on the just try some different things Democrats spot because what's happening right now is actually here. I mean, this is not a novel observation. But when you consider the base set of facts, you
Corey
28:23
you consider actually the economy is not doing too terribly, you consider that donald trump is now literally a felon but even before that had so many charges against him and that donald trump was winning like there is just something there's a fundamental challenge the democrats have here in that people do not want joe biden to be president i
Corey
28:43
i mean this is just it's just kind of demoralizing to watch from a distance but
Corey
28:47
but like right now
Zain
28:48
now why do you why do you think carter the democrat machine seems to play it so traditional and so safe even
Corey
28:57
the argument here donald trump
Carter
28:58
trump 34 you know donald trump 34 one
Corey
29:02
and i don't even say you're wrong to be here zayn i'm saying how are we fucking back here how is it so not news that because we're
Zain
29:08
we're in a political world where we need to say yeah 34 felony charges it's a big deal how do we mold and if we're not going to mold it fuck like it's actually not useful to us in any other political time 34 charges
Zain
29:22
any sort of like contouring yeah it's not useful to the democrats like like
Corey
29:26
like how is that even
Zain
29:27
even how is that possible like i i can't even say i disagree with you i
Corey
29:31
i just how we've
Zain
29:31
we've literally been here four months this was almost inevitable right these four fucking indictments you think guilty charges being the first ever uh president with multiple felonies was not a predetermined conclusion at the end of at least one two three four of these we already this is like i know this is historic because it's real now but this is where we were going to be and democrats were waiting for this moment and now that the moment is here they actually have to do something with it they can't just be like look the moment is here because the same fucking people
Corey
30:00
fuck that's why i didn't
Corey
30:02
it you know what's
Zain
30:04
what's the next version of that i think we're saying similar things around like taking this as a next step and they are playing it safe because conventional wisdom would say leave it alone like your opponent's hanging himself with 34 felony charges. Don't step in the way. Rules are broken, man. This is a new game book. The guy's actually leaning into his felony charges and is going to galvanize his base. I bet he's going to get record fundraising numbers again this quarter, or actually this month, because they report monthly and it's delayed. But this month will be a good month for him. In fact, just look at May closing out the two days. I think he's going to, he's just going to crush. he's going to crush so democrats what is it i
Corey
30:42
i wasn't joking that his
Corey
30:45
under the load of of donors today i
Carter
30:51
kind of expected to feel better after this episode i'm
Carter
30:54
i'm not gonna lie to you and uh you guys have done but wouldn't this
Zain
30:57
this be a fun challenge for the three of us or would it be like an absolutely nerve-wracking the stakes are so goddamn high and we can't make a single mistake challenge because biden is down and if biden is down to me this is like a fun interesting yeah the stakes are high but fuck it gives you way more latitude than trying to preserve a two-point win or margin of victory in in half a dozen swing states to me this seems like fuck it we are in trying mode and maybe we write a new playbook of our own you
Corey
31:26
know one of the yeah i think that that's go
Corey
31:28
go ahead yeah one of the challenges that joe biden has is that donald trump's suggestion is that there's abuse of power and corruption and so the more the sitting president talks about donald trump's conviction in many ways the more he feeds into that so i don't know that he is the messenger but well
Zain
31:46
well they've got an instrument there that we don't have here obviously which is pax yeah
Corey
31:50
well what did the democrats so what did the democrats more broadly do there right
Corey
31:55
it's a great question yeah
Carter
31:57
what do you think the answer is cory um
Corey
31:59
um send an orange orange jumpsuit to every household in america in donald trump's size so you'll also you'll
Corey
32:06
you'll also get to uh like it's not they can't wear it it can't become a style thing they'll be like oh yeah that's donald trump's no
Carter
32:12
no you know what that that could actually work there the democrats and the republicans are raising so much money on this campaign that they could afford to send out a uh you know a jumpsuit to everybody in america that that is one of the uh
Carter
32:27
uh the more interesting pieces of this election is how much money is going to be spent i mean how the hell did we wind up as political strategists in canada instead of the united states we we made bad life choices yeah
Corey
32:38
yeah but our taco bells still have all of the condiments you've
Carter
32:42
you've made a good point you've made a good point the
Zain
32:46
contract supreme let me talk to you about it fucking overrated no i think it stayed on the menu way too long wrong okay now you you cory were a uh resident of a local probably the the biggest user of a local taco bell and then it burned down yeah
Zain
33:02
and then it burned down then it burned down this now this i know i'm this is a bit of a crossover episode um i i know there are some people who are like wait taco bell was that the dairy queen no that was not the dairy queen center street this
Corey
33:14
this is the taco
Zain
33:14
taco bell on edmund
Zain
33:16
which is in calgary yeah yeah
Corey
33:18
yeah why do they keep burning down in che i don't understand that which i don't
Corey
33:21
don't know man And I sense
Zain
33:23
sense some shit going down in Che. I sense that Che is not as safe as you make it out to be in all its mythology.
Carter
33:34
So you guys, this feels like.
Carter
33:38
It does. Like it might be the end. Yeah. Yeah.
Zain
33:41
Yeah. I came here for the union minimum for a guest spot, which was five minutes. And I've overstayed my welcome for several minutes at this point. No,
Carter
33:48
No, you've not been welcome for quite some time. yeah
Zain
33:52
yeah you can't fight with the host like that zane who
Zain
33:56
is very weird that
Zain
33:57
that i there's so many things if i were hosting that i would brought up but i mean i'm not what do you want to let's do a lightning round sometimes lightning
Zain
34:04
corey zane gets to do a lightning okay luca donchich or kairi irving who is actually carrying the mavs in the finals it's
Carter
34:12
it's got to be luca yeah i agree completely i mean corey
Zain
34:14
corey when did we become a league of overweight pudgy eastern Eastern European dudes just dominating the absolute fuck out of the Team USA starting lineup, regardless of what they do. I just, this is a phenomenon that is not talked about enough. These guys who probably, you know, consist on a diet of Coke and Mentos and Taco Bell, probably some DQ if they weren't burnt down at such an alarming rate across this fine land. But how are these guys killing it, Corey? I can't go to Carter for depth on this answer.
Zain
34:52
I don't know, man. It is... They're
Carter
34:55
They're big men down the middle and they distribute. No,
Zain
34:57
No, they don't actually. They do more than that. They also shoot the ball. You're thinking of the Polish Hammer, who was a Washington... Marcin Gortat, yeah.
Corey
35:04
yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I love him.
Corey
35:08
I was actually... Okay, I should clarify. I actually meant lightning round questions about Donald Trump's 34 felony convictions. actions i
Corey
35:15
i that's on me i didn't
Zain
35:16
didn't which is your okay okay sorry okay here this is an easy one carter which is your favorite count my
Carter
35:23
four yeah why oh
Carter
35:25
oh i just like the number yeah okay yeah
Corey
35:30
yeah i think this yeah it's