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Corey
0:01
In 1872, then-President Ulysses S. Grant was arrested on the streets of Washington, D.C. The then-President apparently told the arresting officer that, quote, he would not get into any trouble for making the arrest as he admired a man who did his duty, unquote. $20 in bail was paid, consequences were doled out, it was reinforced that no one, not even the President, was above the law. law. Fast forward 151 years. In 2023, Donald Trump got to be the second US president put under arrest. And then the third. Four arraignments, 88 charges, none as trivial as speeding. And that might seem like a problem in a country where no one, not even the president, is above the law. But just wait. Oral arguments on Thursday, April 25th made it seem like those conservative originalists on the Supreme Court aren't so sure that it's so cut and dry. Maybe Maybe a president is above the law, the majority seem to muse, at least when he's presidenting. Maybe consequences won't be doled out, at
Corey
1:02
at least not in any timely fashion. And
Corey
1:05
we won't even see a $20 bail paid.
Corey
1:08
Well, that's the Supreme Court for you. And this is You the People.
Carter
1:17
Well, that was, I'm Stephen Carter. That was Corey Hogan. i know how to do this intro and this is you the people we've got some uh i thank you for that intro because it was right on top of one of my topics i don't
Corey
1:29
i i i predicted you and i you know because i
Carter
1:33
i had uh the trials and tribulations let's do our first segment okay our
Carter
1:37
first segment brought to
Corey
1:39
you it's over the ndp leadership race yeah
Carter
1:41
yeah the ndp leadership race uh written by zane velgey it's
Carter
1:46
it's a one-page memo it's
Carter
1:49
it's over start thinking about the victory party trials
Carter
1:52
trials and tribulations of donald j trump yeah
Corey
1:56
yeah i know that guy not
Corey
1:57
not personally but he's been in newspapers he's
Carter
1:59
he's been a lot in newspapers and he's in the newspapers because he's kind of cranky you know he actually tried to get out of being in the new york trial because
Carter
2:08
because as you know cory he's in new
Corey
2:11
i do know that uh
Carter
2:12
uh criminal charges are i think fairly significant having
Carter
2:16
never been charged with criminal charge i'm not i'm not really sure but i'm
Carter
2:20
i'm told that they're fairly significant and
Corey
2:23
never indicted the stephen carter story yeah
Carter
2:25
yeah exactly not yet indicted um
Carter
2:29
but he uh he's at the new york trial and uh he tried to get out of it so we could go and sit in at the supreme court and
Carter
2:38
and i don't understand that like why would you go and sit in the supreme court like what does he get he's not answering any questions
Carter
2:44
there's nothing that he's going to say that's going to make this better uh
Carter
2:48
has he sat in at the supreme court before i i don't think so i
Corey
2:51
i i don't know he just wanted to scowl at the justices remind them who appointed yeah
Carter
2:57
especially amy conan barrett yeah amy
Carter
3:03
cohen cohen barrett anyways she's the one who uh he appointed that seems to be the uh the
Carter
3:08
the least likely to support his point
Carter
3:11
point of view in
Carter
3:14
Supreme Court. Do you want to give an overview of the Supreme Court case that's currently being battled, or do you want me to? I
Corey
3:22
you to, because the extent of my information I provided in the introduction, which is, stuff happened today.
Corey
3:31
I'll kind of... I guess I know a little. You go, and when you're wrong, I'll tell you where you were wrong. That's
Carter
3:36
That's great, Corey. Thanks very much. I mean, at the heart of this is the idea of presidential immunity. Now, you may have alluded to the Grant case, President Grant, where presidential immunity was never actually taken to the Supreme Court. One of the things that is interesting is that Grant himself enabled the question
Carter
3:59
question to continue about presidential immunity because he subjected himself to the law. Donald Trump is the first president not to really subject himself to the law. And here's where we wind up at the heart of the case. The heart of the case is whether or not a president, through either his unofficial business or his official business, should be immune from prosecution. and i would suggest that the questioning today focused on a couple of different points first point was what is an official action and
Carter
4:29
and the second point is um what happens when it's not an official action or what if that official action is unlawful making it in fact not an official action so that's kind of the the case that was heard today and it was interesting watching the judges uh the justices i suppose um go through their gymnastics trying to make
Carter
4:52
make this case bigger than it is so that they're not just approving whether or not trump faces trial but they're uh trying to make this about future presidents
Corey
5:02
future presidents i saw some stuff about yeah what
Carter
5:05
what do you think what do you think about the future presidents argument future Future presidents shouldn't be
Carter
5:10
be underneath the potential shadow of getting charged for criminal
Corey
5:15
criminal offenses. Of the justice system? I mean, I kind of think it's good that people are under the quote-unquote shadow of the justice system.
Corey
5:23
and I live under the shadow
Carter
5:25
shadow of the justice system every day.
Carter
5:28
And we seem to be doing just fine.
Corey
5:30
Like I said, you're never convicted or never indicted. Just out of curiosity,
Carter
5:35
curiosity, not that this matters at all, but where's Zane tonight?
Carter
5:41
Is he indicted? I
Corey
5:42
help but notice he's not here to say he's never been indicted.
Carter
5:46
can't help but notice that. Do you remember
Corey
5:47
remember when Zane went to buy like a dozen phones for a campaign, like a dozen mobile phones, burner phones, and was detained by mall security? Do
Carter
5:57
Do you remember that?
Carter
6:02
that yeah didn't we come to the conclusion that mall security shouldn't have been able to detain him yeah
Carter
6:06
that was the learning the the learning from that moment is that mall security didn't actually have the uh constitutional right to detain him in that particular
Corey
6:15
at the very least saint velji cannot say never detained yeah probably still say never arrested right
Carter
6:22
we digressed again but i was asking you what you thought of the argument i
Corey
6:26
don't think it's a a very good one i i think generally speaking the notion that just because you say it incredulously does not make it an incredulous concept like can you imagine if the president might be subject to the law right yeah i mean that's that's not crazy that's not crazy to give
Carter
6:43
give second thought to his actions or her actions because they may be illegal that
Corey
6:48
that again not not crazy to me that a president might actually be subject to those kinds of things arguably maybe many presidents should have been much beyond where they have been well
Carter
7:00
well i mean that's that ronnie reagan guy who
Carter
7:03
who had his underlings taken out uh and then you know there was that nixon guy who was pardoned
Corey
7:09
he was pardoned you know
Corey
7:10
that he another guy
Corey
7:11
guy never indicted he
Carter
7:14
really tried to take the uh i didn't do anything anything wrong uh right i mean
Corey
7:19
mean well he did sort of kind
Corey
7:21
is not a pardon though yeah
Corey
7:24
know you and him have that in common having never been indicted i
Carter
7:27
mean that does beg the question would biden have been better off just to pardon trump
Carter
7:31
trump and then just not be facing all this shit i mean the new
Carter
7:35
would still be going on but definitely
Corey
7:37
definitely an argument for it i think you mean it demands the question begging the question is a oh
Carter
7:42
we're going to get into the pedantics of this again yeah i'm using it in the colloquial colloquial term yeah and
Corey
7:49
you also use the colloquial in the colloquial sense too yeah that's exactly
Carter
7:53
exactly how i did it yeah and uh my pronunciation of it uh
Carter
7:57
uh yeah not great yeah
Corey
7:58
yeah not very good it's
Carter
8:01
it's late at night that's why listen
Corey
8:03
listen i think that it is obviously a little bit problematic if i want to give charity to some of the line of questioning there
Corey
8:11
there is certainly a a sense that this is happening more in the United States, right? Especially at the state level. I don't even know if that's true. Like I'd have to go through. I certainly, a lot of governors have faced serious consequences. Illinois basically sends them to jail the way the rest of us send our laundry out for dry cleaning. But it
Corey
8:28
it certainly kind of feels like there is a little bit more of the legal system getting into politics. That's not to say it doesn't deserve to. It's just sort of saying politicians seem to be facing those consequences more. But I think that the equally fair question back is is that
Corey
8:44
that a bad thing like is it bad that we are actually having people who have previously managed to skate on so many of these things face these consequences and i'm not entirely convinced or even half convinced that it is a bad thing well
Carter
8:57
well there's two types of justice in the world too there is there is texas
Carter
9:03
was going to go with kangaroo court justice okay
Carter
9:06
and what we could call legitimate justice. South Korea teeters on the edge. South Korea is, you know, basically every president that's ever served has done jail time after they've served as president. Yeah,
Carter
9:21
it's a little rough.
Carter
9:22
It's a little bit rough. But France has seen this. Italy has seen this. Where real justice systems do real justice and take the highest elected officer And hold them accountable for their actions, both in office and outside of office. When they do something illegal, they get charged and they face the consequences. Japan has seen this in the past.
Carter
9:47
Not Canada, because, you know, we elect some decent people or
Carter
9:51
or we refuse to charge others. You
Carter
9:54
your facial expression made me think that maybe you think Justin's going down. I
Corey
9:58
I don't think that he's going to jail. I don't think he's not a decent person. I do think that perhaps we have had some prime ministers who have engaged in some unscrupulous
Corey
10:09
unscrupulous activities, either during or after office.
Carter
10:13
Yeah, but yeah, I'm trying to judge them by the 1800s justice, the 1900s justice. Right.
Corey
10:20
Right. So like when Karlheinz Schreiber handed a bag full of money to
Corey
10:24
to Brian Mulroney. Never proven. Never
Corey
10:29
a legend it definitely happened the question is whether there was a crime that occurred there right yeah yeah
Carter
10:35
it's two million or something like that no
Corey
10:37
no no it wasn't that much it was it
Corey
10:39
it had to be a money that could fit in a bag for starters right i think it was a couple hundred two million dollars
Carter
10:44
dollars in today's money i
Corey
10:45
i don't think it okay let's go with that i'll
Corey
10:47
i'll give you that it's wrong but i'll give you that here's the thing i would say um
Corey
10:52
um these offices are important. They do likely expose you to these consequences more because you're under the spotlight. And so any misstep you do could potentially be subject to, you know, being perceived by so many more people, right?
Corey
11:06
But is that, again, is that a bad thing? I would say, do you really? You
Carter
11:10
You and I are on the same page here. This isn't a bad thing. Holding people accountable under the system of law, like it's called a check and balance system, right? There's supposed to be checks and balances within there. And one of the checks is that you don't get to write all the laws that's done by congress the other check is that the justice system applies the laws uh it doesn't say you as the president as the administration you know the administrator of all of these laws gets to be immune from those laws that's why they wrote it as three different sections if they wanted a king washington was there to be their king and they chose not to have that. So, you know, I think that this is a bit ridiculous.
Corey
11:52
Yeah, well, balance checks, negative balances, the story of America in 2024.
Carter
11:58
Listen, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to, you know, how you've got a stellar reputation for predictions.
Carter
12:04
I'm going to ask you to make two predictions tonight. Sure.
Carter
12:07
Okay, the first prediction is, how long is it going to take them to decide this case?
Corey
12:12
Not very long, but unfortunately for justice, it will mean that it it will be kicked back to a lower court and these things will drag on for many, many months.
Carter
12:23
Is that your assumption? It goes back to the lower court.
Corey
12:26
Yeah. They will define in some way, shape or form.
Corey
12:30
Yeah. That not all of the actions are,
Corey
12:34
you know, some of them might be considered official acts, right?
Carter
12:38
Do you remember when the decision was actually released by the lower court?
Carter
12:42
And we were all like, this thing is rock solid. This lower court decision is fucking gold. there
Carter
12:48
there is no way the supreme court is going to be able to find loopholes in here and you got to admire these guys did they
Corey
12:55
i gotta tell you that feels more like a like a phrasing you would use than me in these situations which
Carter
13:00
which one's that you
Carter
13:02
gotta admire these guys no
Corey
13:03
no no like the rock solidness of it all there i
Corey
13:07
i guess i'm not so convinced there's
Corey
13:09
there's tape somebody can run the tape on it maybe i did maybe
Corey
13:13
maybe i was really feeling myself those days but it seems really out out of step with my general pessimism about america i have to tell you well
Carter
13:20
well i mean as you know i've been to the united states for quite some time and uh yeah i do like new york and washington yeah
Corey
13:29
yeah we never got to see the trump hotel and that's sad i
Carter
13:33
saw one somewhere where did
Corey
13:35
did i see well oh
Carter
13:35
oh i saw one in vegas when i was in vegas no listen
Corey
13:38
listen there's there's one in vancouver or there was there was one in toronto i mean the the good trump hotel tell the one in washington dc at the old post office that
Corey
13:47
whole era we lost we missed that whole
Corey
13:51
yeah we could have taken
Carter
13:51
taken our segways when we went on our segue trip oh
Corey
13:54
oh man do you remember that that
Carter
13:58
that was good times the segue trip i
Corey
14:00
remember mostly we had a tour guide and he took us by the vietnam uh memorial well you know the wall you you know, with all of the names in it for, for those who need kind of that
Corey
14:12
that kind of cue.
Corey
14:14
And he talked about it being the Vietnam War. And I said, or, you know, in the Vietnamese call it the War of American Aggression. And he started laughing, not appreciating that I was serious. So, you know, it
Carter
14:25
it was a funny joke. I mean, not a joke, but
Carter
14:27
it was a funny,
Corey
14:27
it was a funny, not a joke. It was a funny, not a
Carter
14:30
a joke, but God, that's probably
Carter
14:32
why we got chased on those segues. It's
Corey
14:34
It's a good thing we were on segues. Had
Carter
14:35
Had to run, had to segue for our lives.
Corey
14:38
You can also say, I remember the day we were there, it was April 20th, because Lafayette Park was pretty hazy, can we say. Lit
Carter
14:47
Lit up, as the kids may say.
Corey
14:50
story time. I'm not really
Corey
14:52
this has to do with the Supreme Court, except for we did see the building. Nothing really. I
Carter
14:56
I asked you for your predictions, and now I'm going to jump back to my favorite name in a criminal trial ever, and that's David Pecker.
Corey
15:06
I thought it was Rudy Giuliani you were going to say. No,
Carter
15:08
No, no, no, no. Rudy hasn't even been asked to come to the stand yet, although this wasn't really part of the rundown. Did you
Carter
15:15
Giuliani got charged again?
Carter
15:19
And Mark Meadows and all
Carter
15:21
all the gang, all the gang from the Trump era.
Carter
15:26
Reagan had some people charged. Reagan put some people in jail. You
Carter
15:31
put some people in jail.
Carter
15:34
know, we were kind of on a run there where people weren't going to jail. And Trump really fucked that up for his people because
Carter
15:41
because his people look like they're going to go to jail.
Carter
15:45
or not Trump goes to jail, I think his people are going to go to jail. It's
Corey
15:48
It's starting to feel that way for sure. So
Carter
15:50
So I wanted to talk about David Pecker.
Carter
15:52
Sure. And his, what is it? it wasn't catch and release it was catch and uh uh
Corey
15:58
uh catch and kill or something like that catch and kill
Carter
16:01
catch and kill yeah
Corey
16:02
yeah so you want to tell say who david pecker was yeah
Corey
16:06
david pecker is the head of
Carter
16:06
of ami the company that owned uh the national inquirer uh
Corey
16:13
paper of record yeah upstanding paper
Carter
16:14
paper of record also shopping
Corey
16:15
shopping centers everywhere uh
Carter
16:17
uh also the owners of uh part owners of national post-empire the really
Corey
16:23
yeah okay yeah you may
Carter
16:25
may not have known that but i bring this i didn't i bring the knowledge thank
Corey
16:30
thank you for bringing the local flavor well i try to
Carter
16:33
to i try to make it all tie in there that's the calgary herald for those of you paying attention in calgary edmonton journal uh
Carter
16:39
uh papers all across our grand nation uh
Carter
16:42
uh anyways uh david pecker has been the The first witness, and it seems to be a reluctant witness. He brought his own lawyer with him.
Corey
16:51
Yeah, so we've switched now. We've left the Supreme Court. Yeah,
Carter
16:55
Yeah, we're moving on
Corey
16:56
on to the New York trial. The New York criminal trial. Okay. That's what I was saying. I'm following you, yeah. Okay.
Carter
17:01
Okay. So David Pecker is the reluctant witness that's been called. He seems to be doing a very good job of not protecting Trump.
Carter
17:13
telling telling the truth as he sees it uh and the truth as he sees it is he was asked by trump to help in any way that he could and he said that he'd be willing to do these catch and kill stories and uh make shit up about trump's opposition uh
Carter
17:30
uh the upstanding organization that it is from journalistic integrity standpoint um made up stories the The most notable, I think, so far is the Ted Cruz and his father being the JFK killer, which
Carter
17:49
But what did you think of David Pecker and his testimony?
Corey
17:54
It was as good as you could hope if you're looking for somebody to give Donald Trump consequences, right? I don't think there was anything that he said in the past four days here that's been particularly helpful to Donald Trump. I suppose the only thing he said that approaches helpfulness is sometimes he didn't know if Cohen was actually – like, if Cohen was saying he was speaking for Trump, he didn't know necessarily if he was in some cases, right? Yeah.
Corey
18:20
That's about it. Everything else is kind of shitty for Donald Trump coming out of this. It explicitly tied it to, like, a campaign. You know, Pecker said this
Corey
18:30
this was to help his campaign. That's what was communicated to him. It clearly shows a general seediness that, you
Corey
18:40
you know, I'm not a jury expert, but I can't imagine many juries are going to hear that and think, well, it's all above board, seems fair, definitely reputable people involved here. No reason to think anyone's a shithead who's been involved in these schemes that have been communicated here.
Corey
18:56
I just, you know, I think in terms of both vibes and substance, bad,
Corey
19:00
bad, bad stuff for Donald Trump. Trump.
Carter
19:03
I think that he's in real trouble. And I think that, you
Carter
19:06
know, that testimony is going to be really problematic, which then brings us to the strategy question, because, you know, this is the strategist, Corey. Well,
Corey
19:13
Well, it's the podcast within a podcast called You the People. Yeah, it's You the People. On the strategist, yeah.
Carter
19:20
But if you were working with Trump.
Corey
19:22
Okay, I like this. We're getting, it's 19 minutes, we're not talking about strategy, it's good.
Carter
19:26
An impossible position. How How would you manage the
Carter
19:30
the New York case and the
Carter
19:33
the fact that the candidate has to be in
Carter
19:36
in the courtroom for four out of five, four out of seven days every week?
Carter
19:41
would you be managing that particular situation?
Corey
19:44
Well, that is a tricky one, right? I mean, let's just sort of say if this was not a court case, right, if this was some other awkward situation, you do whatever you can to make sure your candidate wasn't
Corey
19:56
wasn't there. and you'd find excuses for him to avoid being there at any time because there's just no way that helps you although donald trump has generally kind of enjoyed i think going to court and acting as though he's the victim and saying things to the judge certainly the threat of contempt the fact it's a criminal trial the fact he has to stay there quietly the fact he's already been admonished for tweeting or reposting that was the big controversy early this week yeah
Corey
20:22
donald trump Trump was not allowed to tweet about certain people, so he just started reposting comments about the same people, right, on Truth Social. That's really tough. Like, I can't see a lot of upside for him there. You'd much rather he be in a less handcuffed environment, pun
Corey
20:37
pun fully intended, although he's not handcuffed at the table. Very
Carter
20:40
That would be great if he's handcuffed at the table, wouldn't it?
Corey
20:43
would be. That would be fantastic.
Corey
20:44
Well, we'll wait. Just give it time.
Carter
20:46
One of those spit guards.
Carter
20:47
You know, comes right under the
Corey
20:50
the nose. That's real good. good
Carter
20:51
good spit guard that would be fantastic uh
Corey
20:54
uh well yeah so like you you would not want your candidate to be in that scenario i'm assuming even if it's donald trump and generally his strategy has been to be a fighter in these things well
Carter
21:05
well and your your message structure all becomes off right like um every campaign i believe every campaign has a message calendar uh you know where they try
Corey
21:14
try and talk about
Carter
21:14
about certain things on certain days and this can't this trial is in you know this is the end of the second week i think it's progressing uh at a fairly speedy pace but
Carter
21:26
but it's scheduled for another six weeks and in my mind that means that six more weeks of not being able to set your own message agenda not
Carter
21:33
not being able to say this is uh we're going to talk on tuesday about uh you know taxes we're going to talk on thursday about how immigration's just got you know just skyrocketing like you have to come out of court and find the the world's greatest segue see segue i brought it back again the world's greatest segue in from i'm sitting in this courtroom twiddling my thumbs listening to people skewer me um to oh by the way immigration's terrible at the southern border there's another convoy coming or there's another uh you know whatever words he's using uh to try and and and show that i mean i think that that's um that's the core problem is the message discipline doesn't exist i
Corey
22:16
don't know so i think that's a problem i think the core problem simpler than that it's that somebody's sitting there as a defendant in a shitty new york city courtroom for six weeks is going to look like a criminal like there's only so much fox news can do to avoid the fact that he's sitting there and obviously they're going to do what they can but over six weeks it's almost impossible for you to avoid the imagery of donald trump the criminal defendant suspended and again this is not even a nice courtroom this is not the supreme court i one of the things that i think sticks with me and i don't know why but it really does is the chairs look really cheap i look at it and i think man
Corey
22:54
man that those chairs look shitty i'd hate to sit in a chair like that for eight hours and i
Corey
23:00
think a lot of people are going to take some of these subconscious cues about the
Corey
23:03
the environment he's in is the environment you would expect a criminal to be in and now listen this is not a great thing about our justice system you put somebody in these situations and you start to kind of assume guilt or it starts to leak into your perceptions of them and we don't really generally want that right innocent until proven guilty but
Corey
23:20
but let's be real let's be honest yeah people
Corey
23:23
people do start to feel those feelings and for trump to be sitting there looking powerless in front of a judge who's basically told him you shut the fuck up or i will shut you the fuck up right i
Corey
23:35
i like there there's nothing that presents strength integrity Integrity, honesty, you know, this is, he looks duplicitous, he looks small, he looks criminal. And again, only so much Fox can do to avoid showing even little clips of that along the way. Well,
Carter
23:52
proof beyond reasonable doubt is not the public's standard. It's the jury's standard,
Carter
23:57
That's right. And I think that we are often reminded of that.
Carter
24:02
Now, what's Biden going to do? Like, Biden at this point has only made jokes about Trump not being able to be with him, you know, out on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania or wherever he may be at any given time, because he's otherwise occupied. Which
Corey
24:15
Which is subtle and great, I got to tell you. Subtle and
Carter
24:18
and great, but he's doing subtle and great jokes. really really bringing them in uh landing good jokes against him without without
Carter
24:25
without really uh you know making this into a significant play what
Carter
24:29
what are your thoughts about biden's choices
Carter
24:31
choices to this point and
Carter
24:34
do you see him managing the next six weeks of this particular trial all
Corey
24:38
all right i gotta do a bit of a biden aside here on my way to the answer is
Carter
24:44
is it going to be that he's old because it's going to make me cranky it's
Corey
24:47
man like i watch these clips shared Paired with such glee by his supporters about how funny he is and how on he is. And honestly, very funny, very on.
Corey
24:58
Just reminds me how old he is a lot of the time. Like he's just, he's old and he looks old. You know, there are old people who don't look old.
Corey
25:07
He looks older somehow. His hair is thin. The presidency ages
Corey
25:14
sure. And he was old
Corey
25:15
old to begin with.
Carter
25:15
with. He was old to begin with. and the president you know the only person that the the presidency didn't age donald
Carter
25:22
donald j trump yeah
Corey
25:23
yeah because i don't think he took it so seriously didn't
Carter
25:25
didn't take it so seriously wasn't wasn't too worried about the outcome of most cases and
Corey
25:30
and he's got his own challenges on the kind of like the you
Corey
25:35
you know septuagenarian vibes front but they're different like his whole energy is despite being being very close in age to Joe Biden, he seems much younger, right? Between his aggressiveness and his fast talking. I
Carter
25:48
I reject your premise. You
Corey
25:50
You can try, but Americans agree with me. This has been well polled. People think Joe Biden's too old and they don't think Donald Trump's too old, despite them basically being the same age.
Carter
26:02
what is it? 5% probability for Trump and a 6% probability for Biden? Yeah. Isn't that what you brought up in another podcast that we do?
Carter
26:12
speaking of other podcasts the
Corey
26:13
the actuarial tables yeah how
Carter
26:15
how did we actually wind up on the same podcast tomorrow that's
Corey
26:18
that's right we're on west of center tomorrow you know
Carter
26:21
what happened there was
Carter
26:22
was zane not available zane wasn't zane
Corey
26:23
zane was not available you know why because
Carter
26:27
he might be indicted we
Carter
26:31
don't know he's not here to deny it
Corey
26:34
yeah i find that kind of suspicious that he's not here to deny it wouldn't
Carter
26:37
wouldn't it be something if the lethbridge police actually arrested him instead of shannon phillips wouldn't
Carter
26:42
wouldn't that be quite i
Corey
26:43
i gotta tell you something zane's been detained before and he might be indicted tomorrow could
Carter
26:50
both true statements fantastic i love that i
Carter
26:53
i love that for you you never answered my question about biden and
Carter
26:58
you segued off into him being old well
Corey
27:00
well and like everybody else that's generally where i get stuck oh
Carter
27:03
oh my god when
Corey
27:05
when we talk about his strategy honestly i'm sorry i I got to stay here for a minute more. Like this cult around Biden of Democrats who are like, no, he's so great. He's so awesome. Look how young and virile he is. And he wears young suits. You're fucking kidding yourself. The way he wears a suit that somebody 40 years younger than him would wear is kind of like when my kid wears a suit, somebody 40 years older than him would wear. It's not fooling anybody. And in fact, in many ways, it accentuates it because it becomes almost the noteworthy thing. Despite his age, he's wearing that thing, you know? And when you're in that space i'm sorry you're in that fucking space um now in terms of you answer the
Carter
27:43
the fucking question could you answer the fucking question that i asked you 12 minutes ago god
Carter
27:50
can see why zing gets so frustrated i
Corey
27:53
i gotta tell you joe
Corey
27:54
joe biden seems pretty old but
Corey
27:56
but i will also tell you that i think that his jokes are probably where he wants to keep it because one of the risks is that that Donald Trump gets acquitted, right?
Carter
28:09
Although after David Pecker, I'm now convinced he's guilty.
Corey
28:13
You weren't convinced he was guilty before?
Carter
28:16
I wasn't because, you know, I was coming in with an open mind.
Corey
28:19
You could have been on that jury.
Carter
28:20
I could have been on that jury.
Corey
28:21
You could have been on that jury. Hey, did we find out if it was real or fake,
Corey
28:25
like the media consumption habits of the jury, that post? You
Corey
28:29
think it was fake?
Carter
28:30
I think it was fake. for people who don't know there was one juror juror 11 i believe it was who was uh who got most of his or her news from truth social um
Carter
28:40
um is it wrong that i assume that anybody who's on truth social is a man i
Carter
28:46
man would be so stupid
Corey
28:48
think if you're just playing the odds like probability wise i'm sure that truth social is about four to one men to women that's
Carter
28:56
that's got to be be pretty great it's got a great environment twitter by the way still a cesspool um
Carter
29:02
want to give people an update on your twitter account people were asking did you get people
Corey
29:05
people i didn't get kicked off twitter i i left twitter because twitter's a cesspool now i can still reverse that decision for like a couple more weeks here right you know you got the 30 days 26
Carter
29:17
26 more days i've been counting for you okay that's
Corey
29:20
there you go no pressure
Corey
29:21
i could could change my mind i could go back but
Corey
29:25
you know on that note it
Corey
29:27
does seem pretty difficult that if your media consumption is entirely based on the media owned by the defendant that you'd be like you're probably right it's probably fake because it's hard to imagine getting through yeah exactly right there's no
Carter
29:42
yeah because that would be a challenge that wouldn't even be like one of those rando ones that you can just kick people off that would be like for cause cause yeah um
Carter
29:48
um listen uh speaking about for cause nope
Carter
29:52
nope that segue is not going to work uh polls and uh other unreliable narrators uh this is our second session section here uh
Carter
30:03
polls have you been looking at the polls on 538 and uh real clear politics what are you seeing what do you see and what do you what do you think what do you tell me tell me what you think tell me what you see i
Corey
30:13
i i don't know what i see do you tell me what you see i still see that joe biden's in an awful lot of trouble the swing states don't look so great swing states are shit absolute
Carter
30:22
absolute shit let's just agree that the swing
Carter
30:24
aren't the thing you want to look at but
Corey
30:26
but if you're looking for
Corey
30:27
yeah okay but like isn't that what's are
Corey
30:31
are we looking for optimism i've
Carter
30:33
i've always been looking for optimism i already called this thing for trump so at this stage you know yeah
Carter
30:39
although i still i i saw civil war i told you this i saw civil war and uh i
Carter
30:45
i got my bug out plans all all set i am ready to go so
Corey
30:50
it's great it's really good i
Carter
30:52
i was gonna buy you a windmill a second windmill that's nice you can power your car and come up and find us um
Corey
30:59
i remember can i drive in a different direction just out of curiosity or something
Carter
31:02
something like that it's gonna be difficult yeah it's
Corey
31:03
it's a lot of mouths to feed yeah
Carter
31:05
yeah can they even all fit in your electric car they
Corey
31:08
they actually can yeah that's a good thing we quite often do that um
Carter
31:13
so the polls my friend the The national polls are changing.
Carter
31:18
the national polls changing would be great if
Carter
31:22
if that's how they elected their president. It
Corey
31:24
It turns out, though.
Carter
31:26
But let's ask ourselves, and I'll ask you, is this a leading indicator? Is seeing the national polls shift a leading indicator that could start to see things start to shift across the country and into those swing states? Corey
Corey
31:40
Hogan. Okay, interesting. I'll make a case for yes, although I'm not sure I entirely believe it.
Corey
31:45
Let me make a case for yes.
Corey
31:47
When you are in a campaign, you're making decisions about where to throw resources, right? And I think we can all sort of acknowledge and agree that those resourcing decisions can have a significant effect on how people feel about the campaign. Yeah, it's pretty fundamental. We'd agree that's a 101 thing. But
Corey
32:05
ultimately, those are all about optimizations relative to where opinion rests. You're trying to make something more popular or less popular. And so the argument that this is a leading indicator is the national polls are picking up fundamental changes in the support for Joe Biden versus Donald Trump in areas where they're not particularly active, which says at a resting state, Joe Biden is getting more popular, right, and Donald Trump less. And in fact, when you sort of consider all of the areas where you're not seeing the fundamental changes and you are seeing them in the national polls, you can make the case that there's a significant change there, right?
Corey
32:42
And then it becomes a case of waiting because even though that money is being thrown in there and you're trying to hold up the, you know, the dike with all of the cash that you can put to kind of keep the water from rushing in, the water is rushing and the water is trying to find a way because ultimately there are base facts at play that you are now seeing and other jurisdictions that are going to start trickling in and overwhelming your money either causing you to have to spend even more and more to stay where you are or just
Corey
33:09
just flat out overwhelming your money so there's an argument to be made that
Corey
33:14
that it's not immaterial i'm not 100 sure i buy it but i i will throw that argument out there well
Carter
33:19
well let me throw you my argument that is that you know he needs biden there are this the the swing states everybody you know the the swing states are there they're well known and the uptick in the national polls tells me that biden gets to focus on those
Carter
33:37
seven swing states right he doesn't have to step one foot outside of those swing states and
Carter
33:43
and we saw some you know him
Carter
33:45
him going into pennsylvania and
Carter
33:47
and trying to make a case for himself in pennsylvania i think that that's the lowest hanging fruit for him and
Carter
33:53
you know i'll be watching to see See if we start to see us turn around in Pennsylvania. I think it's one point already. Biden's starting to take a little bit of a leap ahead in
Carter
34:03
in Pennsylvania. But then there was also another indicator out of Pennsylvania, and that is the number of people who voted for Donald Trump or
Carter
34:14
or who didn't vote for Donald Trump in their Pennsylvania primary. primary uh
Carter
34:20
uh the pennsylvania primary had over 157 000 people uh
Carter
34:26
uh go out of their way to cast a ballot for nikki haley 15
Carter
34:30
15 of the votes one
Carter
34:33
one out of every six votes cast was for nikki nikki haley instead of for donald trump um
Carter
34:40
and people are taking a lot of uh a
Carter
34:43
a lot of signal out of that a lot of signal now is that just noise is
Carter
34:47
that just noise yeah
Corey
34:50
is that rhetorical because the answer is yeah it's just noise like this he's got enough delegates it's fucking over it's
Carter
34:55
it's a closed primary people took the time out of their day to vote for haley oh
Corey
34:59
oh well if it's a closed primary and they took time well then i guess maybe you're 100 correct oh
Carter
35:06
oh my god here's what here's why it mattered here's
Carter
35:09
here's why it mattered i'm going to tell you i'm going to tell you why it mattered it matters because the media narrative is that it matters it
Carter
35:16
matters because the media is covering it as though trump is taking taking a hit like
Carter
35:28
my god you just are what
Corey
35:29
what color is the sky on your planet i'm
Corey
35:32
i'm just so curious i
Carter
35:34
i live here in blues in in blues blue sky city
Carter
35:39
blue sky city and in blue skies get city it is a a spectacular blue okay
Corey
35:46
that's kind of a coincidence that in blue sky city you
Corey
35:49
you don't know right blue sky blue sky
Carter
35:52
that's hard to say by the way yeah
Corey
35:54
yeah yeah they should have thought about that they
Carter
35:56
they should have thought about that so
Carter
35:58
so you're not a you're not someone who believes in these uh these uh signals that come in hey
Corey
36:03
can i ask you what's the population of pennsylvania
Carter
36:08
uh the population of pennsylvania i'm gonna say 10 million okay
Corey
36:13
okay that's about what i would guess i don't actually
Carter
36:15
actually yeah i'm guessing
Carter
36:15
guessing i'm pulling it out of my tushy i'm
Corey
36:18
i'm maybe eight let's just say and you think 150 000 people who oppose donald trump is noteworthy
Corey
36:26
well when he only
Carter
36:27
only got 700 000 i mean it was 15 of the
Corey
36:30
the oh the guy who's already won like who is keep in mind this whole election
Carter
36:33
election swings on on 60 80 000 votes man this
Carter
36:37
this is not a huge election that's going to be swinging on on a million and a half votes yeah
Corey
36:42
uh you know what i
Corey
36:45
i have i i'm challenged oh by the way pennsylvania 13 million wow okay so again 150 000 not not a lot of people people.
Corey
36:53
By the way, congratulations, Pennsylvania. That's a lot more people than I thought you had.
Carter
36:57
Yeah, that's very impressive. That's
Corey
36:59
That's really proud of you.
Corey
37:03
place to live, a place to grow.
Carter
37:07
Well, I did not know that.
Carter
37:09
I did not know that.
Carter
37:10
I'm hearing that for the first time.
Carter
37:15
Did you like that? I
Corey
37:16
did. Thank you. Yeah, that's
Carter
37:17
that's good. That was me. So
Carter
37:22
the presidential poll, the presidential numbers have Donald Trump at around 235 and Democrats at about 226.
Carter
37:31
Basically, Joe Biden needs to sweep. Now, this particular map I'm looking at only has six states that are still toss ups. They've taken North Carolina off the board, which
Carter
37:44
which is the seventh state.
Carter
37:47
And they've gone with Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
Carter
37:51
Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. In
Carter
37:54
In those states, I
Carter
37:57
I think all of them are led except for Pennsylvania by Donald Trump.
Corey
38:03
And how many does Biden need to win out
Carter
38:05
out of curiosity? well
Carter
38:16
okay yeah he needs to win uh he needs to win four of those states so
Corey
38:23
america we live next door to you and
Corey
38:27
steven only bought one of these wind turbines so i'm really gonna need you to get your shit together there's
Carter
38:33
there's a second one available though oh
Carter
38:36
much are they relatively relatively quickly nice
Corey
38:38
nice okay that's good yeah reliable they're good i'll
Carter
38:43
i'll be honest i don't know but
Carter
38:45
but they're they're significantly cheaper than the solar option oh
Corey
38:49
oh okay that's good yeah
Carter
38:52
that you can turn it on like i'm going to buy another battery and so when i'm moving i
Carter
38:56
figure i'll be charging the the secondary battery no
Corey
38:59
no no no because like that's going to create drag yeah i doubt it's going to be more than enough to offset it you gotta think
Carter
39:04
think i think that i'm creating
Carter
39:05
creating a perpetual motion machine
Corey
39:10
what i think not perpetual motion but i appreciate i
Carter
39:14
i i it could happen we don't know okay um
Carter
39:17
um starting to feel like i should have come up with a third