Transcript
Corey
0:02
In times past, a principle governed American politics. That principle was, quote, This phrase is attributed to Senator Arthur Vandenberg, a Republican from Michigan who served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at the start of the Cold War. His axiom, politics stop at the water's edge, held that, despite the fiercest of internal political divisions, Americans stood united on the global stage. age. It was unthinkable then for any American politician to get out of lockstep with foreign policy. For a public figure to align with geopolitical foes would have been seen as nothing short of treachery, a betrayal of the very fabric of America's national identity. There
Corey
0:42
There were those who sailed their boat on those waters. I should have mentioned I'm back on the water's edge metaphor. And on those waters, people like Henry Wallace and Jane Fonda proved the rule that people paid a toll for positions that went against the American orthodoxy. Labeled useful idiots, at best accidental propagandists, they were seen as people who supported causes whose goals they did not fully understand.
Corey
1:07
rules are different. The
Corey
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The foreign enemy of my domestic enemy is my friend.
Corey
1:12
Increasingly, public figures and politicians unabashedly court the favour of nations that are openly hostile to the United States.
Corey
1:20
Today's useful idiots weave fantasies about the clean streets and benign rulers of these lands, glossing over the often harsh realities of life under these regimes. Authoritarianism, homophobia, oppression of women minorities, kleptocracy, and more. In
Corey
1:34
In this new era, praise for a foreign dictator is a less-than-veiled critique of domestic leadership.
Corey
1:40
Admiration for an adversary's infrastructure becomes a tool to underscore what one sees as America's failings. This
Corey
1:47
This trend reflects a deeper polarization where domestic political battles overshadow collective interests and American interests. Where once America stood united, projecting strength and solidarity to the world, now America projects disunity, discord, scaring allies, thrilling foes, and gambling with the stability and safety of the entire world.
Corey
2:08
Should some battles be bigger than internal divisions? Should politics stop at the water's edge?
Corey
2:14
What do we know? We're just a bunch of Canadians, we'll leave that question up to you, the people.
Carter
2:26
Well, that was Corey Hogan, and I'm Stephen Carter, and this is You, the People.
Carter
2:33
Tonight, we are going to talk about three big topics. Obviously, Corey's hit it with, that was a good take, one take, unbelievable.
Carter
2:41
unbelievable. That was one take,
Corey
2:41
take, Hogan, yeah. Yeah,
Carter
2:43
but we're going to do three topics, Corey, you ready? ready oh
Corey
2:45
oh okay well i i went like three minutes on one topic so yeah
Carter
2:50
we're gonna do russia trump and tucker oh okay
Corey
2:51
okay good trump and
Corey
2:53
tucker because i did
Carter
2:53
did a whole thing on that right there
Carter
2:55
there that's why i'm gonna do that it
Carter
2:56
a little subtopics one's a subtopic and one's a bigger topic
Carter
3:02
is nevada because i i want to talk about nevada a little bit um the the the trials and tribulations of the nevada uh republicans especially and then we're going to to talk trump trials trump trials you may say what trump trials well my friend we're going to go through all five existing trump oh wow and
Carter
3:22
and the two the two that have already been settled so there's a lot going on in uh in this episode of you the people for you the patrons see
Carter
3:33
what i did there i
Corey
3:34
it's a patron episode yeah that's
Carter
3:35
that's pretty good hey yeah patreon money flowing in You
Carter
3:40
You know, not one of them complained when they only got one episode out of the last four weeks. People are nuts.
Corey
3:46
crazy. What are you doing? All right. You may have flagged something we didn't want to flag, but that's fine.
Carter
3:51
Which part? Trump's trials? Yeah,
Corey
3:53
Yeah, Trump's trials. We don't want people
Carter
3:54
people to know about those. We'll skip that.
Carter
3:58
you gone to Russia recently, of
Corey
4:01
No, no. But I have heard the song Moscow from the band Genghis Khan. You remember that?
Carter
4:07
that? Well, that's pretty
Carter
4:07
pretty much the same. yeah
Carter
4:11
i just was a little surprised that we had a guy named uh tucker carlson here in alberta uh he did a a show you may remember he did a live show um here in calgary and then he did a bigger live show in edmonton back-to-back live shows um and
Carter
4:27
and then uh he flew to russia look
Corey
4:30
look at you bringing in the local angle the local color
Carter
4:33
angle yeah because it seemed important that he had met with the premier of alberta and was financed by uh one of the largest oil and gas guys i mean this is a big deal this is uh this is a big deal that uh tucker
Carter
4:48
tucker carlson came to alberta and then buggered off straight away to to russia don't or maybe i'm wrong maybe
Corey
4:53
maybe no i think it is i i think you've underlined we always you know we talk about politics stopping at the water's edge being an american thing and
Corey
5:01
generally that is like a very strong american feeling canadians have always been a little more ambivalent about everything it's our superpower right yeah you know we maybe maybe we support something maybe we don't we're not going to go too nuts into it but it's pretty interesting to think about the fact that premier daniel smith said on one of those stages i can't remember if it was calgary or edmonton hey you should shine the eye of sauron that is your lunatic supporters tucker carlson on our environment minister here in canada
Corey
5:32
right like that was was basically a solicitation for foreign interference in Canadian politics. Not something I can
Corey
5:39
imagine. Now, you know, America, Canada, it's a funny thing. Like in Canada, we tend not even to think of America as that foreign, because we've been like a branch office in so many senses to America.
Corey
5:50
But that is foreign interference. And then Tucker Carlson just kept the show rolling. His foreign interference show, going to the, you know, former
Corey
6:00
former Soviet Union, current
Corey
6:02
current Russian Russian Federation, former
Corey
6:04
former KGB officer, current Russian president, Vladimir Putin.
Carter
6:09
Yeah. What a guy. What a
Carter
6:11
Yeah. Mass murderer by any definition. By
Corey
6:14
By the way, Putin
Corey
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stationed in Berlin, East Berlin. So I'll bet you he heard the song Moscow.
Carter
6:21
Oh, I bet you he did. Yeah. I bet you he was very upped with the pop culture
Carter
6:27
culture of the time. It was probably
Corey
6:28
probably part of his job.
Carter
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job. I bet you he was wearing Levi's.
Carter
6:32
I bet you. He
Corey
6:33
He might have been. He
Carter
6:34
He might have been wearing a T-shirt. Wow,
Corey
6:35
Wow, that's a thought. Yeah.
Carter
6:37
Here's what I don't understand. I
Corey
6:40
band Genghis Khan. You don't understand how they...
Carter
6:43
No, can I ask you a question?
Carter
6:45
I get Tucker Carlson because he's a whore, right?
Carter
6:48
right? Like, I can understand Tucker Carlson coming to Alberta. I'm sure he got paid a lot of money. Sure. I'm sure that he even got paid more money to go and interview Vladimir Putin. Here's my question for you. what
Carter
7:00
what what's in it for trump why
Carter
7:03
why is trump uh you know kissing uh kissing putin's buttocks right like going so far as to say that if russia wanted to invade a nato ally that wasn't uh wasn't paying their bills wasn't paying their two percent uh of gdp into their military budget that uh trump would encourage putin to to uh to drive his his armored vehicles goes right through the uh right through to the capital yeah
Corey
7:30
yeah well i think nato
Corey
7:33
nato is a organization that is about you
Corey
7:37
you know mutual protection right
Corey
7:39
donald trump has somehow skewed that into his mind is this is a protection racket right like yeah
Corey
7:44
nice nice country you got shame if something happened to it you know and so it becomes more about what are you paying in what are you doing and less about these are our friends these are people who share our values we help our friends when our friends let us down we don't throw them into oncoming traffic that's just not how the world is supposed to work but this is sort of that transactional nature of donald trump's world i think it's fair to say and to go back to my intro this
Corey
8:13
this is also i think very consistent with a view that it's less about America standing up and doing things that America wants and more Republicans and Democrats and flavors of America who are looking to get advantage over the other through any means, including through foreign interventions. And if the Democrats want one thing, well, then the Republicans are probably going to want the opposite. So
Carter
8:37
So let me ask you a question. If you sitting in a country that spent 1.29 percent of its uh of its annual gdp
Carter
8:45
this is a hypothetical i'm bringing a hypothetical you spent 1.29 percent of your annual gdp on defense spending uh and really relied on your big brother to protect you sure the united states and the nato alliance in general um and you had i don't know i'm throwing it out there like
Carter
9:02
like the longest border border with russia um would
Carter
9:07
would you be worried um
Corey
9:09
um that's a great question i it does seem to me especially if russia was i don't know the kind of nation that regularly tested those long borders you're talking about maybe i would be deeply concerned about
Carter
9:22
yeah like if they were just like hey maybe the north pole is ours instead
Carter
9:26
instead of yours you
Carter
9:28
you know and and maybe they came a little little bit further and you
Corey
9:31
you know didn't didn't recognize maybe territorial waters things like that you think oh yeah just we're all hypothetical still this
Carter
9:38
this is hypothetical cory this is just hypothetical i'm just asking if that was to happen would you be uh would you be nervous or
Carter
9:47
you be okay with it
Corey
9:47
it would i be nervous or would i um kind of vaguely support this man who was threatening to throw our country to the wolves i don't know great question seems like a A large number of people in this hypothetical nation, because we're still talking hypothetical,
Corey
10:05
might inexplicably support this man and think that, you know, this hypothetical nation would be better off if the United States had Trump as president. Yeah,
Carter
10:12
Yeah, it would be crazy. That would be nuts. Do you
Corey
10:15
anyone's following? I'm no longer following, you know, the metaphor here. Guys, I'm going to be honest. I think this hypothetical nation is Canada.
Carter
10:23
you are amazing. amazing that is in fact the hypothetical nation that we were we were talking about um that's that's pretty great i mean the other ones that tend to spend uh their two percent uh are the ones who actually border russia yeah
Carter
10:39
yeah we're basically the
Corey
10:39
the only one that borders russia that doesn't yeah
Carter
10:42
yeah really i mean shit
Carter
10:46
so when he's talking about this he's really talking about about us now
Carter
10:50
now he made it sound like it was a european country but uh it
Carter
10:54
it was really the only the only one that's really at risk is canada it's just something to keep in mind if you're thinking to yourself you know what that trump guy doesn't sound so bad um i want you to think about it it's all i'm trying to get it it's
Corey
11:05
it's a fair point but i also think you're giving trump maybe too much credit knowing who is actually paying their two percent right now and also canada and the united states militaries are so integrated especially when it comes to things like air air defense kind of
Corey
11:19
of hard to imagine but then again i
Carter
11:24
everything's been hard to imagine there's
Carter
11:25
there's like you know because how how close to moscow did what's his name get you know like how you remember that you know crazy russian general that that mysteriously died in a plane crash oh
Carter
11:37
or something like that how far did oleg get oleg got pretty close to moscow my thinking is is that if oleg had just decided to go straight into canada he would have pretty much got to winnipeg because
Carter
11:49
because there's not a lot of defense in the way you know it's yeah it's a pretty good distance you
Corey
11:55
you don't hear much about the wagner group anymore by the way no they seem to disappear yeah it seems like uh what
Carter
12:00
what a shame pergozin
Corey
12:01
pergozin or whatever yeah like that's uh pergozin
Corey
12:04
yeah that's uh you didn't have a good run there yeah
Carter
12:08
um that i understand why donald trump would I'm going to ask you this question because you're a pretty smart guy. Why would Donald Trump suggest that Russian attacks was a good thing on NATO allies?
Corey
12:23
So I have a theory about Donald Trump's speeches in general. They
Corey
12:26
were very long. He just kind of goes. And in any two-hour stint, he's going to say something totally crazy. I don't know. Does he actually believe that? My concern sometimes is he says something insane, everyone latches onto it, and he's like, well, I guess that's my position then. And then the entire US apparatus kind of supports it. But this is a pretty indefensible one to suggest that, I
Corey
12:49
I mean, the whole purpose of NATO is this kind of united stance against aggression. And then to say, yeah, I mean, unless you're not paying your bills, and then in which case we're going to say, go for it.
Carter
13:01
Yeah, there are no bills either. It's
Carter
13:03
It's kind of just a pledge.
Carter
13:05
It's kind of like when I told told heather i'd take the garbage out today i mean it wasn't expected that was a pledge it
Carter
13:11
it was a pledge it was going to happen you
Corey
13:12
you took out like 60 of the garbage i
Carter
13:14
i had every intention to take it all out but it just it was in multiple containers you
Corey
13:19
you know it's well this is so actually this is one of the arguments here in canada which is yeah i mean we want to spend that money on defense but we've been such laggards on defense spending for so long like you can't like what are you going to spend the money on you need soldiers they take time to train you need military equipment that takes time to procure and so in
Corey
13:38
in the past few years we've actually had trouble finding a little different now that ukraine's been invaded because we're we're putting money into that in a bigger way but you know for many years it was like yeah we're we're trying to spend more but we don't actually have the immediate capacity to do so yeah
Carter
13:55
yeah i mean you've made a you've made a good a very good point i mean you're so good at this can i ask Can I ask one more hypothetical? Sure. How
Carter
14:02
How much money would you need to be paid to
Carter
14:05
to suggest that Moscow was nicer than any Canadian city?
Corey
14:10
Well, I wouldn't do that. I mean, this is annoying to me. So he said this yesterday,
Carter
14:16
He being Tucker Carlson. Tucker
Corey
14:18
Tucker Carlson. He said
Corey
14:20
I don't, he wasn't, was he in Moscow? He was in Moscow at the time. He was in Moscow. So weird. All right. So it's
Corey
14:27
it's always better on holiday, right? You go to the tourist districts, you hang out at the nice hotels.
Carter
14:35
It is. It's always better on holiday. It's always
Corey
14:37
always better on holiday.
Carter
14:37
holiday. I don't know what I was thinking.
Corey
14:39
Do you think that he's seen the real Moscow, like the Moscow that Muscovites live in? The statistics tell a very different story than the very cheerful one he's painted about. How clean and beautiful. And I have no doubt, I have no doubt that a city that has like so many oligarchs in its core is
Carter
15:00
pretty nice downtown. There's going to be some good places. There's
Corey
15:02
There's going to be billionaires everywhere, right? Yeah.
Corey
15:04
Now, unfortunately for the vast majority of Muscovites who live on kind of the periphery, I
Corey
15:09
I don't really know if that's the story. I don't know. I mean, I'm just not very convinced about that. No matter what Genghis Khan's song Moscow taught me about. out.
Corey
15:19
Actually, in fact, it warned me that... Is that what it said? Yeah. Anyways, the devil's loose at night. That's the
Carter
15:26
the point. That's a really good point. The devil is loose at night. Here
Corey
15:30
Here is what I'm trying to say.
Corey
15:34
There is no way he saw the real Moscow. And
Corey
15:37
And it's not like days of yore where the Soviet Union... I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine, when he was a kid, like a teenager went on a class trip to russia so
Corey
15:49
so his class went to russia and there was a propagandist who was assigned to them effectively on the bus who had to tell them how great the soviet union was and at one point the uh you know the propagandist is making a comment about oh look how clean it is look how beautiful it is here and everyone's kind of rolling their eyes it's like And there's the Lada, which is the best automobile in the world. And the bus breaks
Corey
16:13
breaks into uproarious laughter. So this group of teenagers in the 80s were
Corey
16:18
were able to see through this propaganda more easily than Tucker Carlson can, but the propaganda is different now. Like, it's not a propagandist telling you one thing. They kind of influence
Corey
16:31
influence you in that direction. They keep you in those areas. They show you this manicured thing. And frankly, you want to see a good story, because that story, if it wasn't the good story, would kind of mean that you were just a shithead for the past several years.
Corey
16:45
So he finds a way. He finds a way, I guess is my point. Well,
Carter
16:49
Well, I mean, I think that this is just the price of admission now, right? The price of admission for being a member of the Republican Party. Because that was the other thing that we should talk about is that every Republican seemed to rush to agree. You know, I mean, there was a couple of Republicans that didn't. I think Murkowski and Romney stood out. but most republicans
Carter
17:12
yeah i know right like two names we're relatively familiar with um but most republicans rushed to uh to agree with trump and tucker carlson i mean the power that these people wield is staggering when when you've got everybody i mean you and i were texting back and forth and you said you know ronald reagan must be turning over in his grave and i said you know he's he's dead cory anyways i mean you
Corey
17:36
that's you have to be to turn over in your grave oh
Carter
17:38
oh okay i see yeah
Corey
17:39
yeah that's the whole point i
Carter
17:41
i misunderstood i thought you'd have to be alive to turn over well
Corey
17:43
well oh you know you
Corey
17:45
think about poor senator arthur vandenberg oh
Corey
17:48
republican from michigan who you didn't know about until the introduction which
Corey
17:53
which was informative i
Carter
17:55
i i was on the edge of my seat too waiting for it to end um i
Corey
18:01
may have said that incorrectly uh
Carter
18:03
listen i think it's time i mean i'm going to switch topics i don't have the clever segues that the zane does so
Carter
18:11
so i'm just going to
Corey
18:12
to be clever you just get really silent and shout let's move it on to our next segment that's the okay
Carter
18:17
okay so yeah nevada uh
Carter
18:20
uh travis kelsey and uh uh his chiefs won the super bowl uh taylor
Carter
18:27
taylor swift was there there's a lot of videos coming out i'm a little disappointed they didn't get a shotgun wedding what are your thoughts about nevada i
Corey
18:35
i feel like we're maybe mixing some topics here i personally think it's pretty interesting that you can be a republican candidate on and lose on a ballot to none of the above i see what i i'm doing i'm pulling it back to
Corey
18:48
to american politics oh
Carter
18:49
oh when you said nevada okay i'm with you nevada nevada nevada nevada
Carter
19:01
yeah it seems like a lot of work so what i wanted to talk about is the fact that there there was a so you you talked about how how haley lost nikki haley lost to none of the above in her primary right primary was
Corey
19:16
was no seats or no delegates Right.
Carter
19:22
that was where it was supposed to be, though. The Nevada legislature created
Carter
19:27
created a primaries only style
Carter
19:32
style of nomination process. sure um trump
Carter
19:38
trump didn't like that trump
Carter
19:40
trump didn't like that nevada didn't go the way he wanted it to go so he just said no and
Carter
19:46
and he had uh had it changed and be and and that became that
Carter
19:52
became the the big question how are we going to how are we going to run a uh a caucus when we're actually doing a a primary well
Corey
20:03
i mean the guy has got such a stranglehold on the republican party that it looks like his daughter-in-law is going to be a the next chair of it this is this is uh you know let's be charitable here because i feel like why would you do that i don't know but i feel like it's it's fish in a barrel with donald trump but let's be real we say this all of the time in the context of canadian politics choose the rules choose the outcome right the rules matter the wrestling over the rules matters if you don't want a primary and you have enough control over the apparatus that you don't need it to be a primary and you can push them into a caucus setting where you think you'll do better wouldn't
Corey
20:43
wouldn't you like just like i know it's easy to say donald trump's a piece of wet garbage left out in the sun and he is nobody's
Carter
20:52
nobody's disputing that absolutely yeah yeah no
Carter
20:54
no but we would change
Corey
20:55
nevada sun but we would change the rules right yeah
Carter
20:57
yeah we would change the rules because we wouldn't want like for example uh a person who wasn't a member of the party um
Carter
21:04
yeah coming in yeah you know and just saying to
Carter
21:07
to let somebody who wasn't a member of
Corey
21:08
of the party yeah
Carter
21:09
yeah i mean if you weren't a member of a party and you decided that you wanted to run for a leadership there would have to be at least a moment or two that you were a member of the parliament party before you handed
Carter
21:18
handed in your nomination form yeah
Corey
21:19
yeah like some deep introspection if you otherwise, you know, we're
Carter
21:24
we're going to let something like that
Carter
21:25
Even when, like, people are starting to mention your name and the leadership, right?
Carter
21:30
right? Yeah. You know, to be the candidate for the leader, to be the candidate for the big job, you would think as soon as your name started to be recognized or spoken about it, you'd buy a membership. Yeah.
Corey
21:42
Yeah. So, like, get off your wallet. Why wouldn't you spend the $10 even further out, like, when it's clear that there will be a leadership in the not-too-distant
Carter
21:50
-distant future? Exactly. I mean, like you could have done it, you
Carter
21:54
a year ago before,
Carter
21:56
know, anything happened or eight months ago. And
Corey
22:00
And like, imagine you gave like a really lame endorsement, right? Like
Corey
22:05
like why not just spend the $10? Yeah.
Carter
22:08
Yeah. Like if you really crappy endorsement of the party would be, you know, and I also bought a membership, right? Yeah. Because I want to be a part of this. Because, you
Corey
22:19
exactly, like this organization that I just spent my whole endorsement saying was not very great. Yeah, like why wouldn't you buy your membership then?
Corey
22:28
Are we still talking hypothetical? Is this about Canada still? I lose track of these things
Carter
22:31
things so quickly, I have to be honest. It's about Canada, okay?
Carter
22:35
Listen, I also brought up Nevada because if you're going to ignore the law, as
Carter
22:40
as Trump does. Yeah, that's a state to
Corey
22:41
to do it, I guess. That's
Carter
22:42
That's the state to do it in because there were no consequences. In fact, they were able to pick up all of the delegates through a process that should have been illegal. In other Trump news, it
Carter
22:53
it turns out that doing illegal things does have some consequences. Not significant consequences. I mean, $83 million, which if you're a billionaire, do you even care about $83 million? Yes.
Corey
23:05
Yes. That's a lot of money.
Corey
23:07
You do. I mean, I do. I'm not a billionaire, but I still care about $20.
Corey
23:14
do you really i don't know
Corey
23:16
if i do actually if i'm going to be totally honest yeah
Corey
23:18
mean like i'm trying to think of like a comp or i don't even i haven't done the math yeah
Carter
23:22
yeah but i think that you care about twenty dollars less than a lot of people you know maybe
Carter
23:28
we got the sweet sweet patreon money coming in that's
Corey
23:30
that's right you know three of you assholes covers yeah
Carter
23:35
so that's done right like he owes 83 million dollars that could be appealed but there There has to be money going to a bond, essentially. And the will Trump be on the ballot question was also was also done. And then it turns out that Sleepy Joe, Sleepy Joe Biden is done because his case, no Mar-a-Lago problems. He's not going to have a document hidden case. Instead, it's going to be no,
Carter
24:06
no, no trial for Joe because he's forgetful. uh
Corey
24:09
uh kind of a public trial for joe though you know yeah
Carter
24:13
maybe we should just let's
Corey
24:13
let's just stop at this truck stop oh
Carter
24:16
oh you want to just go in for
Corey
24:18
a hot gravy sandwich is that a thing it sounds like it should be
Carter
24:22
be a thing let's
Corey
24:23
let's go in yeah
Corey
24:24
let's have ourselves a nice hot gravy sandwich a milkshake maybe
Corey
24:29
maybe a slice of apple pie with a slice of cheese on it what do you sounds delicious okay
Carter
24:33
delicious tell me about biden we're really gonna put our feet are about
Corey
24:36
about biden there's this truck stop coffee too you know and they'll just keep coming around and saying freshen your drink hun and you're
Carter
24:42
you're gonna take that
Carter
24:43
i love it when they call me hung hun yeah
Corey
24:45
yeah i know you do i know you do
Corey
24:46
do and so that's why we're at this truck stop together right
Corey
24:49
now having this conversation about
Corey
24:51
about our friend sleepy joe biden it
Corey
24:56
it was a little inexplicable it would be hard to explain to somebody a few years ago even like hey so the president of the united states is doing a a um you know primetime style address to say that his uh his brain works okay you know like
Corey
25:13
like this is this is like listen i i'm not trying to make too much light of it and i think that the uh the fact of the matter is the the prosecutor or the special whatever in this particular case
Carter
25:25
case the prosecutor yeah was
Corey
25:26
was being a bit of a shit suggesting that somebody who couldn't remember specific days things were happening had a memory i think a lot of us would struggle with some of that and we're not trying to run the free world right yeah like just just to be clear and he was vice president at the time i know but like let's let's talk about the stakes of his particular jobs here i
Corey
25:45
i thought it was a little bit ridiculous that there was this drive-by to begin with then
Corey
25:52
for him to have to like and i think for a lot of politicians it would be like fuck that guy we're moving on with our life here some snarky comment about like the ages in it or whatnot but there
Corey
26:04
there have been so many concerns that have been planted out there that they made the calculation and we should talk about whether we think it was the right one or the wrong one here but they made the calculation now
Corey
26:14
now we're gonna have to go up on this and we're gonna have to say no i'm fine you know and of course it has been observed by so many that he would be like he is basically will
Corey
26:24
will he be the oldest by far if he ran next time and won and
Corey
26:31
trump is not far far behind seems to be getting a bit of a pass for whatever reason because
Carter
26:36
because he's been saying crazy shit for like yeah like
Corey
26:38
like that's cost it in like what's crazy shit from donald trump not
Carter
26:42
not being able to remember stuff pretty much cost it in for donald cost
Corey
26:47
cost it in for donald but
Corey
26:49
but now joe biden
Corey
26:51
you're you're about to actually i am just as guilty of this with this little detour here
Corey
26:56
you're about to go through all of the criminal challenges with donald trump we just talked about the way that he tried to fuck all of his allies including us we're
Carter
27:06
especially us i think
Carter
27:07
my example was pretty good the hypothetical it was
Corey
27:10
was hype it was hypothetical yeah
Carter
27:11
yeah hypothetical but but still had some pretty important points but
Corey
27:17
now everyone's like oh but is joe too old you
Carter
27:20
you know what he
Corey
27:23
he he might be i don't actually know i'm not a physician i can't actually do that the whole thing is a little wild that america is now going to come down to these two men duking it out he
Carter
27:33
he has a sane cabinet right
Carter
27:35
right like okay maybe he's a little bit old i can see the point he has a sane cabin he a cabinet he has a competent white house west wing he has a competent administration they do things fairly well i mean there's issues there's still issues yeah
Carter
27:51
but overall it's not a shit show it
Corey
27:56
was a shit show last time like do you remember the revolving door yeah
Carter
28:04
anyways those are three things that are now solved right
Carter
28:08
right we know that biden's not gonna have any any you know real trials just the public trial we know that uh trump's gonna be allowed on the ballot um and we know that he's been uh found guilty in his defamation trial and has to pay $83 million.
Carter
28:25
biggest thing that we don't know, because I want to start with where we don't know, and that's the Georgia trial. We don't know very much about it. We don't know a date for the trial. We don't know when it's going to happen. But it does seem to be pretty serious. But the question is, when is this thing actually going to happen? Is Fannie Willis going to be able to get this to happen prior to Election Day 2024?
Carter
28:47
2024? 2024 what's my what's my answer cory hogan one word yes or no does fanny willis get this done prior to the uh election no
Corey
28:59
no because she won't get to do it at all that's that's my prediction whoa
Corey
29:05
took the question spun it around on you there you
Carter
29:08
you think she's going to be disqualified as the prosecutor through this kind of bogus she's sleeping with her buddy okay
Corey
29:13
okay but not bogus because Because she was sleeping with
Carter
29:17
Out of curiosity, how does sex matter in this?
Corey
29:21
Oh, my Lord. You know what?
Carter
29:25
You're not wrong, but you're
Corey
29:26
you're so wrong. You're not wrong, but you're so wrong. I'm
Carter
29:28
I'm just asking because shouldn't it not matter?
Corey
29:31
Well, okay. Explain to me why you think it shouldn't matter, and I will formulate.
Carter
29:35
formulate. I think that the vast majority of adults in the United States have
Carter
29:40
have sex. I actually have proof that Donald Trump has had sex. because of the hush money payment right
Carter
29:48
the hush money payment trial that's supposed to start on march the 25th proves to me that uh donald trump has in fact had sex outside of his marriage i might add outside of his marriage so i'm not sure you
Carter
30:03
know i'm not sure that he like he if he hadn't paid the hush money i'm
Carter
30:08
i'm not sure that that should have been part of the actual election or part of the trials yeah
Carter
30:14
like we don't criminalize having sex i
Corey
30:16
i mean you've just described a criminal trial but okay but
Carter
30:21
only because of the money right
Carter
30:24
was donnie willis paying this guy you
Corey
30:27
you know what steven the problem is it's become so the water is so murky as a result of these personal actions getting into their professional life you had you a reasonable person could ask questions like well was this all like just trying to like be like i can get you this gig where you can prosecute trump i'll just bring the charges against him right like i understand there are grand juries involved i understand all of that but like yeah there's easier
Carter
30:50
easier ways to get into a guy's pants is what i'm saying oh
Carter
30:55
you know okay yeah
Carter
30:57
advice to women just touch their penis boom problem solved see
Corey
31:00
see i just like don't take that advice women that's uh salt you know that's That's, yeah.
Carter
31:07
Don't do that, then. Don't do that. That's
Carter
31:09
That's bad advice, Stephen. Bad advice.
Corey
31:12
Okay. This might actually be just,
Corey
31:16
just, you know, bad advice from you overall.
Carter
31:18
think that there... Sometimes these things happen. It
Corey
31:20
It is a challenge, and it's kind of making the whole thing seem like a less serious affair. Funny, because it's an affair, right? Oh,
Carter
31:27
Oh, that's really good. You
Corey
31:29
Yeah, I think that there is... How
Carter
31:30
How would you feel
Carter
31:30
if you were one of those guys that pled out?
Carter
31:34
you plead it out and all of a sudden now it's like holy shit this whole thing could go away yeah
Carter
31:40
yeah i got two years in the slammer damn
Carter
31:45
damn damn shouldn't have done that yeah
Corey
31:48
yeah well and i don't know if that would happen like i think it would just be like they would have to figure out a whole new i don't even know i don't know enough about the thing down there but it's certainly in terms of like what
Corey
31:58
what kind of backups exist but it's um it's certainly not a great look and it just kind of creates this thing that probably this segment has created for some people which is just people start talking about it you go like oh this whole thing doesn't feel proper anymore and
Carter
32:15
let's jump from one thing that doesn't that's probably not going to happen to another thing that's not going to happen as
Carter
32:20
as you know judge
Carter
32:22
judge eileen cannon big trump fan trump appointee yeah
Carter
32:26
trump appointee she's supposed to willing to she's
Carter
32:29
she's supposed to have a a little little trial there in southern florida about the mara mara lago uh yeah
Carter
32:35
okay and and 37 indictments my or 37 charges it's a large number uh of charges there that's that's a substantial portion of his of his 91 that he's facing um that's supposed to come to trial on may the 20th what are your odds tell me your answer is that going to happen on may the 20th yes
Corey
32:56
no because she's thrown all of these things that have caused the prosecutors to have fits and will require additional oversight yeah
Carter
33:03
yeah that's my feeling
Carter
33:03
feeling here that the jack smith is being able to battle back on some of her more uh egregious rulings um but uh it could result in her being pulled off the case what do you think does she get pulled off the case and if so doesn't
Carter
33:17
doesn't that just push things further down the road like
Carter
33:19
like it doesn't even care no
Corey
33:22
no i mean like the propriety is so far out the the window on that particular one when you read some of the like a court of appeal things that have been said about it
Corey
33:31
it it's just it's clear that people with actual background in jurisprudence including republican appointees yeah
Corey
33:37
think this is kind of outrageous so
Corey
33:40
so yeah i you know okay i'm a little worried that you're leading me down a garden path where it's like none of this is going to happen before the election only
Carter
33:46
only two so far there's five only
Carter
33:52
okay five trials okay Okay. Yeah.
Carter
33:54
There's a couple more trials. Yeah. I mean, I'm feeling pretty good about the next one. Okay.
Corey
33:59
You're right. We're 0 for 2, but there's 5.
Carter
34:02
There's another one brought by Alvin Bragg. I mean, a guy named Alvin Bragg, he's going to have a pretty good chance of getting a hush money trial through on March the 25th. That's only like six weeks away. That's
Corey
34:14
That's so close. You
Carter
34:15
You know, I mean, it's practically on top of us. It's here. Yeah.
Carter
34:19
The hush money. Is this the one where we have Michael Cohen going up against Donald Trump, his former employer, and everybody's caving on Trump?
Carter
34:30
Well, a little bit like
Carter
34:31
like this. This trial happened on March the 25th.
Corey
34:35
I haven't heard otherwise. Are you going to tell me it's not now? It looks
Carter
34:38
looks like it actually will occur. Okay.
Carter
34:43
Yeah, because it's not subject to the ruling by the Supreme Court on whether or not presidents have immunity, because it happened prior to his becoming president.
Carter
34:54
this one feels like it's actually going to happen. It appears to be one of the weaker cases.
Carter
35:00
It does, doesn't it? It appears to be a case that everybody
Carter
35:02
everybody knows. Here's what I don't understand. everybody
Carter
35:05
knows that donald trump paid stormy
Corey
35:11
great leonard cohen song kind of came out around the same time as moscow by jengis khan i'll
Carter
35:17
i'll tell you something great and leonard cohen not in the same sentence come on don't
Corey
35:20
don't no don't do that come
Carter
35:22
come on even his great song of hallelujah was better sung by everybody else no
Corey
35:27
no that's wrong uh everybody
Carter
35:29
everybody please direct your
Corey
35:30
hate mail to steven yeah
Carter
35:31
yeah that's entirely correct here's where i am on the hush money trial i think it happens but i don't know that it necessarily delivers the verdict that we're hoping for because it's also a state trial right
Carter
35:42
so he gets convicted under a state trial big deal right big freaking deal i just don't know if it's going to be a big thing which
Carter
35:49
which leads me to believe that jack smith and his jan is march 4th here's what i don't understand cory one of the things i don't understand march 4th is is coming up it's like three weeks away
Carter
36:01
what i don't understand is why haven't they moved that sucker a little bit like we're waiting on the supreme court they've given jack smith a week to respond to their request for information on the uh uh you know should trump be indemnified from all prosecution because he was trump one or Or because he was president once. Right.
Carter
36:20
You know, quite the Trump card, if you will.
Corey
36:23
Oh, yeah. You're the first person, I think, to use
Corey
36:26
use that. That's good.
Corey
36:28
Hey, listen, I just got to stop. There's an important thing that we've forgotten to mention here.
Corey
36:33
Which is that Everybody Knows didn't actually come out at the same time as Moscow by Genghis Khan.
Corey
36:39
Moscow came out in 1979.
Corey
36:43
Did it really? Yeah, Everybody Knows was 1988.
Corey
36:47
thought you were going to call me
Carter
36:48
on nine years different yeah
Carter
36:51
right at my age you know what nine eight years is nothing around here but
Corey
36:55
but three weeks see
Corey
36:57
see how i cycled us back oh
Carter
36:58
oh that's good three weeks donald
Carter
37:00
donald trump could be in trial federal trial jack smith seems like a pretty smart character what
Carter
37:05
what do you think is
Carter
37:07
is he smarter than alvin bragg is he going to be able to push this this thing through no
Corey
37:13
maybe what do you think what do
Corey
37:15
think steven why am i the one answering these questions about these topics because
Carter
37:18
because i was the host today because you did the the intro yeah
Corey
37:21
yeah i know that's that's the thing we do right like yeah
Carter
37:23
yeah this is how we play the game that's what we
Carter
37:26
here's what i think i think it's not going to happen march the 4th but i think it happens sometime in uh in in april okay
Corey
37:34
exciting for me yeah
Carter
37:35
yeah so you know i think the supreme court's going to make a decision uh probably in the next two weeks it says that he is not immune from charges he is he is subject to to law because the constitution very clearly indicates that they weren't building this for a king yeah
Corey
37:53
was written right on the front fuck
Carter
37:57
article one fuck the king well
Corey
37:58
well it was article zero okay
Carter
38:02
you remember when we went to uh to uh washington you and i and the We've been to
Corey
38:06
to Washington a few times, haven't we? Yeah,
Carter
38:07
Yeah, but this, I think, was the first one. It was the first time, and you were complaining all the time that Thomas Jefferson was your age at the time. That's true. When he wrote the Declaration. I'm
Corey
38:15
I'm much older now, yeah. Yeah,
Carter
38:17
Yeah, and what the fuck have you done? Nothing. Not
Corey
38:20
Not the Declaration of
Carter
38:21
of Independence. Where's your
Corey
38:22
your Declaration of Independence? Stephen, in my defense, I also don't own people. So a few points in my column. You
Carter
38:28
You know what? You've made a good point. You don't own people. to
Corey
38:31
to haven't written the declaration of independence haven't been governor of a state
Corey
38:35
don't own people we
Carter
38:36
we treat zane pretty poorly no
Corey
38:39
no that's like i just i can't count you don't
Carter
38:42
don't think you don't think that's a comparable i
Corey
38:44
just really don't think that we should uh you know the institution of slavery is maybe not something that no
Carter
38:50
no one's saying it was good just
Carter
38:53
just remember remember that okay okay
Corey
38:55
all right thank you for that yeah here's
Carter
38:58
here's my thing i think that the march uh fourth uh trial in dc is actually going to matter so i'm putting that one down for april and i'm saying that's going to actually happen which brings me to i
Corey
39:09
i feel like i'm listening to like somebody rattle off like like
Corey
39:14
like the odds in vegas on a bunch of nfl games that i'm only half paying attention to this is the energy
Carter
39:18
energy something this is why i'm bringing it up because people are only half paying attention but the new york fraud trial the
Carter
39:24
the decision in the new york fraud trial is imminent by the time we release our next you the people we
Carter
39:31
we should have a that could be
Corey
39:33
be that could be any time that could be four years from now who knows i
Carter
39:36
i don't think so i mean i think we're into this
Corey
39:38
this like a groove
Carter
39:39
yeah i mean things are happening we have a process we have a standard we have we have a standard yeah
Corey
39:46
like we we write monologues
Carter
39:47
monologues we don't write fuck all for the strategists do we not
Corey
39:53
not a thing it's kind of interesting that this is our high effort podcast because it doesn't
Corey
39:58
doesn't always necessarily come off that way i'm just i'm
Carter
40:01
i'm just saying but you
Carter
40:02
know what people love hearing us
Carter
40:05
new york fraud trial yeah it's gonna happen it's gonna happen verdict is by the way guilty the
Carter
40:11
the only question it's already it's
Carter
40:13
the only question is how much money this feels like it's like the 83 million dollar problem again except it's going to be over 300 million uh and at some point losing a half billion dollars is going to matter to someone right like at some point donald trump's going to notice this kind of cash not kicking around in his body he'll
Corey
40:30
he'll just throw out another nft he'll
Corey
40:32
he'll he'll value his brand and go get a loan from deutsche bank you know deutsche
Carter
40:37
deutsche bank man like seriously what's going on with those guys how
Carter
40:40
money do they have they They can just throw it away.
Corey
40:44
a little less these days. Who
Carter
40:45
Who financed Twitter takeover? That was Saudi money, right?
Carter
40:51
Was Saudi money is probably the best way to think of it.
Corey
40:58
Yeah, man. You know what they should have done, though, Stephen?
Corey
41:01
They should have bought the rights to Moscow by Genghis Khan. I
Corey
41:04
think that would have been a better investment.
Carter
41:06
Investing in the strategist media empire. No,
Corey
41:09
No, I wouldn't take Saudi money. Come on. we
Carter
41:11
we got two shows now you
Carter
41:12
know who wouldn't take Saudi money for sure yeah
Carter
41:17
Zayn wouldn't take the money that's
Carter
41:22
is he on Tuesdays anyways we don't know I
Corey
41:25
he's like at a basketball game seriously
Corey
41:29
yeah I do yeah he
Carter
41:31
he threw parenting on the table he's like I got a parent ah it's hard being a parent of a young toddler that's
Carter
41:38
that's what he said yeah
Carter
41:41
and then your toddler began for you
Corey
41:43
where does toddler begin like one
Carter
41:46
because they toddle yeah okay
Corey
41:48
okay yeah it's not i like that's nice too because we have video so i saw you do this toddling this was good are we doing video tonight no no no no no i mean i have video okay you and me have video i don't mean other people do yeah okay
Carter
42:02
that's what i wanted wanted to talk about yeah
Corey
42:04
i kind of wanted to squeeze in uh biden and trump's daughter-in-law but we kind of talked about this we
Carter
42:11
we did those things yeah