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Carter
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It's the World Famous Annalise and Carter Show, featuring
Annalise
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Klingbeil and Stephen Carter!
Annalise
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Welcome to the World Famous Annalise and Carter Show. Episode
Annalise
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3. This is episode 3. I was just told that that is important. Yeah.
Carter
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I'm doing really well. You're okay with
Annalise
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with my intro today? It
Carter
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was okay. I mean, it had a little more energy than usual. I was channeling
Carter
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channeling a song. People don't expect that. They don't expect
Annalise
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energy from me. It's
Carter
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middle of the day.
Carter
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They don't expect it.
Annalise
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it. It's not 8 p.m. I'm not in the closet. I've got energy, Stephen Carter. This
Carter
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This is better. I think that when you're in the closet, though, it does amuse me. When I am recording
Annalise
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recording in my closet, it is amusing to you. Yeah.
Annalise
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Yeah. The sound is good.
Annalise
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I guess if you
Carter
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you wanted to add specifics. There's
Carter
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good now. Yeah, because
Annalise
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because my children are not right
Annalise
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right beside me. like they would be at 8 p.m. So here we are. Yeah, not in a closet. How are you, Stephen Carter? How's your summer going? It's been a while.
Carter
1:08
It's been super busy, Annalise. As you know, I'm working on all the campaigns. And it's
Annalise
1:16
For once, Stephen Carter is not exaggerating. He is working on all the campaigns.
Annalise
1:24
More than one slate, more than two slates in Alberta, I just found out.
Carter
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out. Three slates. three three alberta slates
Annalise
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slates among a host of other clients speaking events you're a busy man steven
Carter
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it's good for me though it builds character i like the uh i like the character building opportunities i mean i'm supposed to go for a bike ride today but we were just too busy to go for a bike ride yeah
Annalise
1:44
yeah that that six hour uh edmonton and home commute it sounds like it's really putting a dent oh i'm
Annalise
1:49
really not doing that
Carter
1:51
i'm making a lot of phone calls while i do it so
Annalise
1:53
so bad. We talk. We
Annalise
1:55
We talk. I called you.
Annalise
1:57
All the time. Okay. Should we chat? Should we chat about things? You know this. You know what? I'm
Carter
2:02
I'm not so keen on actually having an agenda today. Yeah, yeah. So why don't we just not do it? We're
Annalise
2:07
We're just going to... No, we're going to talk. We'll
Carter
2:08
We'll just chat, you and me. You're just like...
Carter
2:11
Talk about riding our bikes. People
Annalise
2:14
eavesdrop like on our phone calls. Yeah. Yeah.
Carter
2:17
People... I don't think that's that good. We can make fun of people
Carter
2:19
people who are against bike lanes. We can make fun of those people. yeah
Annalise
2:22
yeah bike lanes are important i've been i've been camping as you know i'm a camper
Annalise
2:28
away for like a week so i've been i'm very one of those that what you call them normies gen pop who's not uh not
Annalise
2:34
not super i just haven't been engaged it's like a week
Carter
2:37
week not hanging on every word uh that danielle smith and her cronies utter no unlike you i'm
Annalise
2:42
i'm not doing that well
Carter
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well i guess that's why i'm here i'm i'm the expert i will you are you are here in this and
Annalise
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and this podcast is not taking a summer break like other podcasts right well
Carter
2:54
well to be honest it was a little hard to pull together an actual crew here today you've
Annalise
2:59
trying for a few days as
Carter
3:01
as you know we've got quite the little uh troop of people that can produce the podcast where
Annalise
3:07
tough where is zane and shannon i
Carter
3:09
don't know where zane is okay no one knows where zane is where's shannon shannon is in british columbia somewhere where's
Carter
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that she said to us uh i will not have internet internet access and that's all she told us smart
Carter
3:21
cory hogan is in calgary he cut his vacation a little bit short i was hoping to do uh uh you know a ministry of podcasts but he doesn't want to so uh you
Annalise
3:32
you got snubbed by your mp look i did
Carter
3:35
i did i'm like you got to communicate with your people he's like i just sent out a householder yeah
Carter
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got the household it's thick there's
Annalise
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there's a lot of there's a lot of words on that even
Carter
3:44
even heather didn't want want to read it so
Carter
3:46
so i i think we have to provide some feedback to our young communicator i asked him did you hire your communication staff yet uh
Carter
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uh no we have not uh that was all cory hogan
Carter
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fucking cory he's yeah
Annalise
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yeah he's gonna be listening to this you're gonna you're gonna get some texts it's uh it's gonna
Carter
4:04
gonna happen i don't even know that he listens anymore no i
Annalise
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i don't even know he does i think he does i heard the the audio last time was very bad and uh yeah no he definitely still still listens yeah
Carter
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yeah that's right it was it was particularly
Annalise
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if you've got any messages for him i'm sure he'll be uh he'll be listening right now cory
Carter
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cory call me ministry of podcasts we'll get right on it okay
Annalise
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okay i uh i i've split up what i want to talk about today into three categories you can pick which one we'll do first i've got a
Annalise
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a municipal a municipal segment a provincial segment and a federal segment which
Annalise
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one do you want to talk about first i
Carter
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i think we go from uh most important to least important were you taking
Annalise
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taking notes when i said those three things there what are you doing well
Carter
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well i kind of expected you to have a little bit more tricky topic headlines no
Annalise
4:57
those are the three topics i
Carter
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i thought oh i'm gonna write these down i like
Annalise
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that you started taking
Carter
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oh my god you know i pay attention to you annalise wow
Carter
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i pay attention i'm not like those those other boys okay
Annalise
5:08
okay what are let's
Carter
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let's start with the most important let's go with municipal oh municipal
Carter
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it's the one that impacts us the most water goes uphill poops goes downhill i'll keep i'll
Annalise
5:18
i'll keep i'll keep municipal short you i could talk about municipal for hours you know this i
Carter
5:23
i know we both you
Carter
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and i together we love it we
Annalise
5:25
we love it other people don't uh
Annalise
5:27
uh okay municipal elections albert you you're helping you you're running three slates calgary edmonton medicine isn't hat yeah
Annalise
5:36
what let's talk about ballot box questions and this is a glimpse into a conversation you and i had earlier this week uh what before i ask you specifics how how do we go about getting
Annalise
5:50
getting a ballot box question and when when like when is it like in lock that this is a ballot box question?
Carter
5:59
Sometimes it's been, uh, in lock right from the first day, right? I would say that Jyoti Gondek's campaign in 2021, we had the ballot box question right from the beginning. Uh, and that was, uh, who can take on Jason Kenney. Yep.
Carter
6:14
And so we, we ran against Jason Kenney more than we ran against our other campaigns. And that enabled us to go past Jeremy Farkas. Um, I
Carter
6:23
I would would argue that right now the population like the the question is hard
Carter
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hard to form in alberta right now uh especially in calgary and edmonton why because
Annalise
6:34
because there's so much going on um
Carter
6:36
um because infill continues to dominate and no one has a really good answer for infill um the zoning question is is not i i don't think the zoning question is anybody's actual ballot box question maybe sonja Sharp thinks it can be her ballot box question. But the problem is that there's going to be a group of people who are on repeal. And I think that those people are hopelessly naive. And I don't want to run on ballot box questions that we can't actually achieve. I did that in 2012 with Redford. You know, we could shrink the size of government, reduce your taxes and increase government spending. It was kind of like, you can't do all that. You can't. That's an impossible So from that time on, I've been really trying to make my ballot box questions something that
Carter
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that can actually be achieved. And I don't think that repeal is one of those. When
Annalise
7:29
When you're starting your slates or your campaign, are you in that first brainstorm, first plan, you have your ballot box, what you want the ballot box question to be?
Carter
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do, but it shifts. I don't have 100% control over it. You have to see what the population wants as well. The population right now is massively unfazed by actual events. What they want is change. So change seems to be the ballot box question, but what kind of change? You're saying that in Calgary
Annalise
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Calgary and Edmonton and Medicine Hat, or where
Carter
8:02
where specifically? Yeah, Edmonton,
Carter
8:03
Edmonton, Calgary, and Medicine Hat, all three markets want change. But change to what, or what type of change, seems to be less
Carter
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less understood by the electorate at this point. How
Annalise
8:16
How do you think in Calgary, the fact that we're seeing the three front runners, the top three finishers from last time,
Annalise
8:24
Gondek, who's been mayor for four years, and Jeremy Parkas and Jeff Davison, all ran four years ago, are all running again. How does that
Annalise
8:31
impact or does it impact the ballot box question? Like people have a more familiarity than perhaps other elections with these names.
Carter
8:42
really forces us to change the ballot box question from whose name do I recognize? If we leave the ballot box question as whose name do I recognize, then we'll definitely lose for the Brian Thiessen campaign. Tim Cartmell might be able to do better because he's got higher name recognition, but I don't think that it serves anybody to have a name recognition ballot box question. Who do I know is usually the ballot box question for council candidates, but that doesn't really serve anybody. buddy how do
Annalise
9:10
do you change it if if it if it's looking like it's whose name do i recognize and we're what two months out less yeah
Annalise
9:18
basically got it more
Carter
9:18
more than that you've got to figure out what they care about more right what type of change they're looking for that's what i'm that's what i'm working on right now is what
Carter
9:26
what type of change do people want do they just want change for the sake of change do they want to change to the
Carter
9:32
the most capable candidate do they want to change to someone that they know do
Carter
9:36
do they want to change like what
Carter
9:37
what kind of change do Do they want, do they want experience? Do they want no, no experience? And then I have to try and
Carter
9:43
muscle my candidates into those positions, um, and kind of create a ballot box question around them. Like
Carter
9:49
Like for Joe Clark, the ballot box question was, would you rather have the right honorable Joe Clark or what's his name? Um, you
Carter
9:55
you know, I, I imagine that there'll be some sort of ballot box question in Calgary that, uh, you
Carter
10:01
you know, focuses right now on, on the changing changing personalities and changing moods of Jeremy Farkas.
Annalise
10:07
But does that not help Farkas because it comes down to the name recognition thing?
Carter
10:13
If it comes down to name rec, then it will. But if it's which Jeremy Farkas do you want to elect or do you want to just elect the real Brian Thiessen? So, OK,
Annalise
10:22
OK, let's say Farkas's campaign is pushing of
Annalise
10:27
of the name recognition. Who do you know more? Who's a better leader? Whatever. ever and you have t-sin who right now you and i have talked about this is not pulling very well compared to the others how do you like how do you go about changing what the question is if there's a campaign that has that's pulling better that has more momentum that's pushing a different question well
Carter
10:46
well you have to create a momentum structure and then once you create the momentum structure then you change the question uh
Carter
10:51
uh so you can't necessarily do it all you can't achieve it all in one fell swoop, Annalise. You have to do it in a couple steps. Right now, the next step is momentum. And then once you've done momentum, then you do a ballot box question. You've
Annalise
11:03
You've got more sign loopholes that are coming. Is that what I'm hearing? Is that some foreshadowing?
Carter
11:09
There's no evidence that I've ever worked on a loophole.
Carter
11:13
There's no evidence that I have
Carter
11:15
some cards up my sleeve. Always. Short sleeves today. No cards up there.
Annalise
11:20
Up those short sleeves. I
Annalise
11:22
didn't know you had short sleeves until you just raised your hand yeah and
Carter
11:26
and i showed my my weak ass limbs um
Annalise
11:30
is it as someone have you have you ran this many campaigns at the same time before like the three slates in alberta that's not that's a new experience right well
Carter
11:42
well just in the sheer number of candidates it would equate to a provincial campaign yeah
Carter
11:47
right but it's three so i have different
Carter
11:50
well a provincial campaign has all the the cities yes
Carter
11:56
but a provincial campaign okay
Annalise
11:57
okay we'll talk about this is it like what's similar what's different about it because a provincial campaign is like i
Annalise
12:04
i don't it just seems like you stretched you you got lots of things happening in different places and are you like in in terms of the ballot box question do you see like this is what's happening in calgary and now we can meld it this way in edmonton like is there like does like uh
Carter
12:18
uh they're They're different. You can't. I mean, the difference between a provincial wide campaign and the municipals is that the provincial campaign campaign, you have one brand. And that one brand then dictates all the decisions that you're making in working on this many campaigns simultaneously. You have to keep three different brands separate in your brain and construct. How's
Carter
12:43
No, you got you got three. You got three brands. That
Annalise
12:47
That screenshotted face that you just made needs to be the image. Yeah,
Carter
12:50
Yeah, it's going to be the image for them. That's like old
Carter
12:54
Yeah. I mean, it's frustrating because sometimes, you know, the Calgary brand would work really well in Edmonton, and sometimes the Edmonton brand would work really well in Calgary. And sometimes the brands aren't quite as formed as you'd like them to be. So I still have to keep working on those brands. um but you know the brands are there there's there's multiple multiple variables that are being managed annalise things are going great things are
Annalise
13:21
are going great carter's feeling confident
Carter
13:27
carter's in all markets carter
Carter
13:28
carter it's been an adventure carter
Annalise
13:30
carter is stretched thin and has a lot of confidence in himself let's say as
Carter
13:36
as you should at the beginning at the beginning I'm getting it was going to be just, I'm a strategist in all these markets and how hard could that be? But then invariably you get more involved than just being a strategist.
Carter
13:48
And that's where things get exciting. How
Annalise
13:49
How would you describe your role now?
Carter
13:53
I get to do whatever needs to be done in all the markets. I
Annalise
13:56
I like it. Wasn't the initial vision, and full disclosure, I'm not involved in the Calgary party at all. I like a couple of your candidates, not involved at all. But wasn't the initial vision that you were going to be like very behind the scenes involved? You weren't going to be public
Annalise
14:13
and I'm not really
Carter
14:13
really a public face. I'm not a public spokesperson or anything like that. But we found out very, very quickly that people knew that I was involved. So there was just, you know, There's no
Carter
14:24
Yeah. So once it became evident that I was involved, then, you
Carter
14:29
you know, I'm not a spokesperson for any of the parties. I'm not a spokesperson for any of the candidates. You know, I come on here and I talk about my experiences, but I don't think that, you
Carter
14:41
you know, that I'm not giving away any state secrets. Do
Annalise
14:43
Do you think the way the party system has been created in Alberta, it creates positions like what you're doing now? where like instead of focusing on just one city it's like almost you're like franchising it in essence because you're like
Annalise
14:56
like does it does a party system help your
Annalise
15:00
was gonna say just that help your career it's clearly helping your career you have three paying slaves but does it that that's because of the party system right i
Carter
15:12
think i would have had at least two campaigns regardless of whether or not there were there were parties i think that the party system i've
Carter
15:22
i've been so willing to be involved in it i've been so willing to push it that maybe i've helped to push the party system into both markets um because i was blaming you're
Annalise
15:31
you're blaming yourself well
Carter
15:35
danielle smith created the rules um
Carter
15:40
is to take advantage of whatever rules have been created for
Carter
15:43
for the betterment of my candidates but
Annalise
15:45
but you don't have to play by those rules i
Annalise
15:47
i mean like you you have to play by those rules but you that doesn't mean you have to make a party i know you're going to say you can double your fundraising that's why you have to do a party double
Carter
15:54
double your fundraising that's why you have to do it you can double
Annalise
15:57
double the ability to fundraise but if you can't if you can't raise those funds the
Carter
16:02
the ability i'm finding that it's a hell of a lot easier to raise money given the party structure than it is outside of the party structure daniel
Annalise
16:11
the the system you were playing within the system that was creative i
Carter
16:15
i play within the system that is in place every single time i do a campaign right right i will always go to the end of the rules what is the end of the rules not
Annalise
16:24
not loopholes end of the rules end
Carter
16:25
end of the rules because whatever the end of the rules are that's what you have to do and whatever's in the best interest of your client that's what you have to bring in right
Annalise
16:33
right and you're doing it you're
Annalise
16:34
you're doing it that's
Carter
16:35
that's what i have to do
Annalise
16:36
uh okay i've got we've got provincial and federal you can look at your notes we've
Carter
16:41
just crossing off municipal. Federal
Annalise
16:43
Federal to talk about. I would
Annalise
16:45
like to do federal
Annalise
16:46
wait. Is there anything else you want to say on municipal? I think as we get closer to, I think it's worth saying it's like August is fairly slow for Gen Pop. I think September, late September, October are going to be like wild times for these.
Carter
17:03
I surely hope so. I'll be honest, Annalise. This feels more sleepy than any election I've ever been involved in. in
Annalise
17:11
in both calgary edmonton and medicine hat uh
Carter
17:13
uh calgary and edmonton for sure medicine hat's a little trickier because it doesn't really start until later
Carter
17:21
mean this is why do
Annalise
17:22
do you why do you think it is sleepy do you think it's because people are just tired of politics and we just had a federal election and we hear about trump non-stop like what why is it so sleepy is it the candidates
Carter
17:32
candidates because the uh
Carter
17:34
uh the thing that they're angry about you know housing is the thing that we're all excited about i i just don't think that there's a um
Carter
17:44
don't know i don't know i mean it could be the candidates uh i don't think it's the candidates especially given that it's the top three as you mentioned the top three that ran last time are running this time maybe it's the fact that we don't have a provincial government to rail against um i
Carter
17:58
i still would like to rail against danielle smith but for whatever reason she seems like teflon right now you just can't seem to throw shit at her but
Annalise
18:05
but if it is if it is sleepy then is it not your job especially as like i think it's fair to say t-son is kind of an underdog at this point to to like to make it exciting to make him do i see your smile you can fight me on that but like isn't it isn't it your and the party's job to make it exciting and do some like interesting things that people are talking about right
Carter
18:29
when right september when september i think is is the only time you can and do it yeah
Carter
18:33
i don't think that i think that the rest of august is you know it's just work just go do work right go and knock doors handle it
Annalise
18:44
it and then make
Annalise
18:45
it make a splash carter i want to see him on like tiktok i want to see him on reddit i would like make it exciting i told you this a couple days ago when we talked it's boring it's
Carter
18:57
your your your your suggestion of going on reddit is probably going to change the whole thing
Annalise
19:02
not go on reddit i'm saying do some like exciting
Carter
19:07
ask me anything no i'm not saying
Carter
19:11
how 2014 of you that's not what
Annalise
19:13
what i'm saying i'm saying do like do like talkers like i just spent four nights camping right with
Annalise
19:20
like people who pay attention to politics in varying degrees degrees and like i want you to do some things that we're like sitting and talking about around the campfire that's like hey did you see this crazy thing don't you think that's like you're at you're
Carter
19:33
you're at a point i'm scheduled for a lady godiva ride through princess island he's going to be buck naked i
Annalise
19:40
bet he loves that the
Carter
19:41
the best then the best part about it is tim cartmel's coming down from edmonton to join him so it's going to be no but
Annalise
19:46
but okay i know i know
Annalise
19:47
you're being funny right now but don't like don't you think there should be aren't we in that like era where you need to be bold especially if you're kind of coming from behind it's
Carter
19:58
it's it is a really tough thing to get attention right now social media is broken the traditional media is broken how do you get attention how do you get yourself seen is the question of this of the 2025 election what's
Annalise
20:09
what's the answer yes
Annalise
20:13
stay tuned carter's got some tricks of his short sleeves and t-son is gonna get noticed okay
Carter
20:21
there you go uh pressure uh
Annalise
20:22
look look consult your list what is the next topic federal
Carter
20:26
federal federal federal i want to jump to federal okay
Annalise
20:28
okay uh federal i mean we can talk about tariffs obviously i think people want to talk about that but before we do it's what 100 days 101 days 102 days since 102
Annalise
20:40
since the election the federal election
Annalise
20:43
how's carney doing give him a great i
Carter
20:45
give him uh probably an a minus a minus i don't think there's a lot more that he could do in order to generate positive i mean outside of making to donald trump a sane human being um
Carter
20:59
he's doing exactly he's doing the he's taking the low-hanging fruit that's available to him and doing the best things with it the
Carter
21:07
the low-hanging fruit's going to go away pretty soon because at At some point, you will need to do a project that is Canadian defining, right? There's going to have to be, instead of just talking about building Canada and making Canada stronger, you're
Carter
21:22
you're going to have to actually do something to do that. And that's when you go from having low-hanging fruit to having fruit that you just can't reach in a normal setting. You're going to have to deal with Indigenous issues. you're going to have to deal with uh with nations across the country that don't want the same things that you want and that is going to be when
Carter
21:45
when the low-hanging fruit is all gone but right now you get to talk about everything as though it's but there's a high degree of potential as though it could all happen and i think he's taking good advantage of it especially through a relatively sleepy summer um and i'm looking forward to seeing what happens in september uh when when he kind of comes back to it i think that it's really
Annalise
22:06
really strong how long can you keep that up that like i like i said of the low-hanging fruit to just can't reach fruit but how how long can you stretch that out i
Carter
22:14
i think you can stretch it for 2025 till
Annalise
22:17
till the end of 2025 i
Carter
22:18
i think that's the end of 2025 because i don't think that anybody anticipates you know a country defining capital project by the end of 2025 but
Annalise
22:27
but but 2026 the clock starts then they 2026
Carter
22:29
2026 people are like okay what What is it?
Carter
22:33
I mean, you made a nice lumber announcement, you know, or a forestry announcement. That's exciting.
Carter
22:38
Right? Hundreds of millions of dollars for forestry. I'm excited. That makes me excited. I don't know what it means. You sound so
Annalise
22:43
so excited, Carter. I'm
Carter
22:44
I'm so excited. I
Annalise
22:45
I don't know what it
Carter
22:45
it means. So excited.
Carter
22:47
I don't know what it means. Corey will explain it to me at some point. But I don't, you know, great. But it's not a country-defining project. Corey
Annalise
22:53
Corey will explain it to you at some point. Well, he's, you know, I don't know if you know
Carter
22:56
know this. That's his job. He's the parliamentary secretary. His job as
Annalise
22:58
as MP is to explain things to his pal, Stephen Carter. That is his job.
Carter
23:03
job. Yeah, that's his job.
Annalise
23:04
job. How do you think he's doing? What's his grade? A plus?
Carter
23:07
For Corey Hogan? Yeah, yeah. He's a solid B. A B. Wow. Okay. His
Carter
23:12
constituent communications could improve. Could be better.
Annalise
23:14
better. How could Mark
Annalise
23:16
Mark Carney improve his A minus to an A plus? What do you think he could be doing better? And slash, would you want him to? Because if the expectation is like that he's operating at that level and then he doesn't, does that change things?
Carter
23:31
I think the hardest thing is that the actual change requires a focus on Trump. Right. If he was succeeding in the tariff war, if he was succeeding in the trade negotiations on some level, if he could bring home a deal by a deadline, I think that he would be, you
Carter
23:50
you know, operating in the A-plus category. I don't think that that's attainable for anybody right now. I
Carter
23:55
I don't think that anybody in this class is getting an A+. Anybody negotiating with Donald Trump is hampered by Donald Trump. Let's talk about
Annalise
24:03
about that. Canada has not secured a trade deal. This August 1st, Trump-imposed deadline has come and gone.
Annalise
24:10
Our blanket tariff on Canada is now 25% to 35%. Is no deal better than a bad deal, like strategically? strategically well
Carter
24:20
well i think because i think that there's some nuance here and there's some details that we're not that i'm still a little fuzzy on right you need you
Annalise
24:27
to explain it to you exactly
Carter
24:28
exactly well i'm going to call cory and have him explain it to me um what i understand is that the blanket tariff is for goods that are outside of the uh canadian mexico agreement or whatever There's no T. There's
Carter
24:46
T. Whatever the acronym is. I don't
Annalise
24:47
don't care. Canada-U.S.-Mexico agreement.
Carter
24:51
But there's, so this blanket
Carter
24:56
well, challenging, isn't as challenging as it could be if
Carter
25:00
if he was ignoring that previous agreement. He
Carter
25:03
He is, to a degree, ignoring the previous agreement, but he's not ignoring the previous agreement wholeheartedly. It's not actually
Annalise
25:09
actually like 35%. Across
Carter
25:13
that we've ever shipped. Right. Right. Yeah,
Annalise
25:15
Yeah, so we understand this.
Carter
25:19
it were, we'd really be in trouble. Yeah,
Carter
25:22
But as it currently stands, I think that we're just at a level of frustration, not necessarily a level of really economic devastation. Now, I say that, but I'm sure there are industries that are being economically devastated or will be economically devastated in the future. I know that, you know, each of these times that Trump opens his mouth, I'm sure that the markets just kind of, you
Carter
25:49
you know, teeter on the edge of something,
Carter
25:51
something, either going up or down or whatever,
Carter
25:54
whatever, some sort of major reactions. But
Carter
25:56
But my view is that, you
Carter
25:59
you know, like the people who've negotiated the deals, like the European Union taking the 15% tariff
Carter
26:04
tariff across the board and opening the European Union to more American goods, I'm
Carter
26:10
I'm not sure that they deserve an A-plus either.
Carter
26:13
I'm not sure that that's the solution
Carter
26:15
solution that's going to make it better for the United States and better for the European Union. game so um
Carter
26:22
um i'm not sure that anybody in the class can
Carter
26:24
can can get an a plus i think that the teacher may have taken that off the table okay
Annalise
26:28
okay but you didn't is is no deal better than a bad deal was the question i just totally answered
Carter
26:33
answered that no you
Annalise
26:34
you totally answered you said it's complicated and then you just talks and talks is
Carter
26:39
is no deal and talks yes
Carter
26:42
deal is better than a bad check check
Annalise
26:45
carter's list have you liked his communication around no deal yeah
Annalise
26:50
yeah i actually i like
Carter
26:51
communication in general yeah um i
Carter
26:54
i find him to be easy
Carter
26:56
easy to listen to right now one of the things that always bothered me about
Annalise
27:01
to say i was trying
Carter
27:02
trying to find him easy
Annalise
27:03
easy to listen to because he's like one
Carter
27:05
one of the things that always bothered me about justin trudeau is that you never had the sense that he was being authentic and
Carter
27:11
and i think I think that with Mark Carney, every time I hear him speak, I think that he is being 100% authentic.
Carter
27:19
I think that his authentic meter for me is super high. What about you? Do you think he's authentic? Yeah.
Annalise
27:27
I think he's authentic, but I think you're more the, I mean, you guys look alike. You're similar age. Like, you
Annalise
27:35
you like him because he's like you, you know? Is that why I like him? That's why you like him. Because
Carter
27:40
Because I'm a multimillionaire?
Annalise
27:41
you see yourself hundreds of millions you see yourself in in the prime minister yeah that's my next iteration is
Carter
27:47
is is like this yeah
Carter
27:50
yeah no i i think that his authenticity is super high i like listening to him i like it when he tries to explain something to me um
Carter
27:58
um when justin trudeau did it i did not like it okay
Annalise
28:02
okay i i could i could poke some holes in there there but i know i'm not no i'm not afraid of you you can bring your a game bring
Carter
28:10
bring your a game for
Annalise
28:12
a week or two it's just the way you said it you're like i like how he talks to me and
Annalise
28:17
and it was don't you like the way he speaks um
Annalise
28:20
i wouldn't say i love it i wouldn't say i hate it
Carter
28:24
feel like it's actually being communicated directly to me when i talk to him
Annalise
28:29
yeah because you're like him you're uh yeah okay well
Carter
28:33
well i've asked you to step in you're not like him no
Annalise
28:36
no i know i'm not like him i'm not like him um
Annalise
28:41
um when okay but here's the thing we were talking about campfire conversations right
Annalise
28:47
right and so mayoral race in calgary not breaking through to gen pop but what is i was just camping with people for several days is like the
Annalise
28:57
the american thing right people being like oh we changed our summer vacation plans we're not going to america oh check out these hot dogs i brought they're canadian have you tried them before how much do you think that like the fact that it that this like america bad canada good narrative is seeping into the the gen pop the normies as you like to call them how does how much does that help carney i
Carter
29:24
think it helps him tremendously um and that's probably one of the reasons he's at an how long will
Annalise
29:29
will it continue to help them for i
Carter
29:31
i i didn't think it would last this long you
Annalise
29:35
didn't think it would last this long no
Carter
29:37
no i'm i'm actually surprised usually you know like consumer boycotts let's you know let's call it a consumer boycott generally fizzle very very quickly they have usually no impact on the intended target they they fizzle and oftentimes they'll have the opposite reaction where people just become more aware of the product that is is being quote-unquote boycotted. So, you know, you're boycotting Oreos because they put up the flag, put the flag on their products for, you know, Pride Week or Pride Month or whatever. That tends to do better for Oreos. This case, we are actually seeing real declines on the number of people who are going to the United States.
Carter
30:19
And that has been sustained now for a period of months. Well,
Annalise
30:23
Well, that, like the numbers, but then also anecdotally it's like i'm so fascinated
Annalise
30:28
this it's like going to the states is a bad thing like i probably shouldn't say this to your how many listeners do you have 20 000 30 000 but like my business partner was in the states for a month and it was like he didn't hide it but like he was he felt really bad about it he tried to like change around his vacation plans and see if he could get his deposit back and this and that because yeah it's like frowned upon and i was chatting with people when we were camping who were going to um palm springs this weekend and it was very like oh we're going because it was booked ages ago but we shortened our trip it's like people are like have excuses for why they're going to the states because they know they're going to be judged for going to the states yeah
Carter
31:03
yeah and you know like we are buying bc apples and bc cherries and bc fruits instead of buying some you know american like i never used to look and see what kind of apples they were do
Annalise
31:14
do you know do you know or is it i
Carter
31:16
i do you do okay
Carter
31:17
i I do. And, and, uh, you know, so when I go in and I'm shopping for the product, I'm, I mean, I'm probably not doing it consistently enough, but I'm doing it. I notice every single time when I'm buying the apples or when I'm buying fruits or when I'm buying vegetables.
Annalise
31:31
Is it because the labels are still up there or is it because you're like thinking, I don't want to support.
Carter
31:35
support. It's because I'm thinking. You're
Annalise
31:36
You're thinking, okay, interesting.
Carter
31:37
Which is weird because most of the time people don't think I don't think at
Carter
31:41
time you're not thinking. But
Annalise
31:43
But I actually am
Carter
31:43
am thinking, I don't want to support the United States right now. So
Annalise
31:47
So it is when you go into the grocery store, you're
Annalise
31:49
you're thinking, OK, yeah,
Carter
31:51
want Mexican avocados, not American avocados. I
Carter
31:54
find it fascinating how
Annalise
31:55
how long this has gone on for and probably will continue. Do you see a point where it stops or is this like the new norm?
Carter
32:05
I think this is our new norm for a while because I don't think that Donald Trump's going to give us anything vaguely resembling a decent deal. deal um so at some point the prime minister is going to say i signed a deal because it was in the best interest of canada but it's not necessarily in the best interest of all canadians and i think that we continue to be angry do
Annalise
32:24
do you think what's the strategy from the prime minister's office in terms of like stoking that anger or fueling that pride of like be thinking about this when you go to the grocery store don't vacation in america it's
Carter
32:38
it's really interesting because i'm not seeing that messaging from
Carter
32:42
this is a grassroots response to you know to a to a treetop issue and that to me is the most powerful types of responses it's not just the people on our podcast that aren't buying can you know that aren't buying american goods or traveling to the united states it is a country-wide phenomenon and
Carter
33:02
and it is it is traveling through True social networks by word of mouth. And that to me is, you know, that's something you try and get when you're in the prime minister's office. You never get right. This is something that is is only happens at the at
Carter
33:17
at the true grassroots level. And it's it's staggering to watch. I love it. So
Annalise
33:21
So is there are there lessons? And we're several months into this. Like, are there lessons to be learned in terms of that grassroots thing? And we can get into this when we get to our provincial section on the the Luke Havlick's question. But like, how are there lessons to be learned from the grassroots? You're taking notes. You're taking notes. Are there lessons to be learned from the grassroots thing of like, this is how this is how you do it? Or can it not be copied again?
Carter
33:51
i mean this to me is a it's a variant of wag the dog right wag the dog you get into an you get into a war so you have a made-up enemy and the population rallies around the flag this
Carter
34:03
this is a variant of wag the dog we have an enemy his name is donald trump we are asking our canadians to rally around the flag but you you don't have to ask them because the enemy is so clear that that they just simply rally around the flag. And I think that that type of rallying, that type of positive
Carter
34:23
positive posturing is really valuable to the prime minister's office. They didn't start the rallying. They didn't start it. And they're not necessarily in a position where they have to try and continue it. It's doing its own work because the enemy that they've defined is so clear and which side they're on is also so clear. how many times have you heard mark carney say i'm on the side of canada right
Carter
34:49
i will only sign a deal that is good for canada right
Carter
34:53
right that is he's
Carter
34:55
he's not saying that's your enemy he doesn't need to say that he's saying i've got your back because we all know who the enemy is trust
Annalise
35:04
um okay on the federal front i have another one for your list there pierce pierce by election uh
Annalise
35:10
uh we're just Just over a week away from the August 18th by-election in Battle River. Very exciting. 11 days.
Annalise
35:17
Look at you and your numbers. Do you just have like a list of like X number of days till this election? X number of days till this? 102 days
Annalise
35:25
since this. Do you?
Carter
35:27
No, I took 18 and minus seven and it came up with 11. It's
Annalise
35:33
Okay. So he's trying to get a seat. What do I have here? He's been doing some... is that you who keeps tapping on your list what's that tapping yes
Carter
35:44
yes it is okay i'm
Carter
35:46
i'm doing this with this that's
Annalise
35:48
so annoying okay pierre polyev he's been doing candidate forums which conservative candidates typically shy away from i think and i think you would probably agree with me it's going to be a slam dunk for um polyev do we do we agree on that we
Carter
36:04
we totally agree okay um
Annalise
36:05
um it's one of the the safest conservative seats in the country is why he's running there but what i what i want to ask you on this is like what's that stake for him here in terms of actual vote percentage so the mp who stepped down um four days after being re-elected he had 82 of the vote typically that's what conservatives get in there is like high 70s um 82 what what the question for you is what's a number that is a loss for polyev even when he wins the person the vote percentage well
Carter
36:37
i would imagine if he dropped 20 points and came in at only 62 uh that would be a loss number yeah
Carter
36:43
yeah i think that you know you're coming at 65 66 you know you're up against 200 candidates you can make a case realistically though i
Carter
36:54
think he's going to get in 78 to 80 yeah it's gonna be I think it's going to be. Do you think we're
Annalise
36:59
we're seeing a lot of coverage of it because of the longest ballot thing or because it's summer or like I feel like because
Annalise
37:08
I feel like normally by elections, I could not tell you anyone who's running and I can name like more than one candidate there because you hear them on the news.
Carter
37:19
yeah i think that we are getting more coverage because it is the summer and it is the only thing that's happening um but you
Carter
37:27
know it's also happening in our neck of the woods right so we are getting more coverage because it's in it's in alberta um i don't think that this is necessarily going to be getting the same type of coverage in toronto or ottawa okay
Carter
37:42
mean maybe Maybe Ottawa, because Ottawa always, you know, they live and breathe on all this stuff.
Carter
37:49
I just don't think it's probably where we
Annalise
37:50
we are. Do you think some of it's the longest ballot stuff or not at all?
Carter
37:55
mean, yeah, because we got longest ballot stuff the last time they did this, which was Pierre Pauliev's riding in Carleton.
Carter
38:01
You know, we get longest ballot stuff everywhere. We get a
Carter
38:04
a number of articles every single time. Now, it
Carter
38:08
doesn't have any impact because no one thinks that their protest is particularly effective. effective but people
Annalise
38:13
people are talking about it though carter isn't
Annalise
38:15
isn't isn't that what you want in this hard to break through environment i
Carter
38:19
guess i guess but does anybody advocating for it i mean the proportional representation people continue to advocate for proportional representation i think we should just can
Carter
38:30
can that and put uh um a single transferable vote and call it a day okay
Carter
38:37
which i do not count as proportional representation okay
Annalise
38:41
not We're not going to get into that right
Carter
38:42
right now. We should totally get into that discussion.
Annalise
38:44
discussion. No, we need to talk about... That's a great conversation. No, we're not doing it. We need to talk about the provincial stuff.
Annalise
38:51
is a big one. How much time do we have? I
Carter
38:55
I don't know if you're aware of this, but it's a podcast. Our
Carter
38:58
Our longest is almost two hours. It's
Annalise
39:00
podcast, but it's also 4
Annalise
39:01
4.50, and my children will be coming through the door any minute now. Oh,
Annalise
39:05
Okay, here's a question. You can get into it. it um alberta ndp how do we how do we think we're doing they're doing the what yeah what's your what's your grade for the alberta ndp right now a
Annalise
39:20
a d okay so
Annalise
39:22
me your game plan what's what's what's the game plan for the
Annalise
39:27
to get some traction and to turn that d into an a in let's say the
Annalise
39:32
the next six months there
Carter
39:34
has to be two concurrent plans that are implemented for the ndp the first has to be a leader-centric communication strategy to
Carter
39:44
to move the leader into a place of leadership uh and right now nenshi does not have a place of leadership in uh the alberta conversation he is outside of the conversation you know and the stuff that they are doing like the um feedback
Carter
40:02
feedback that they're collecting on uh
Carter
40:05
uh the alberta separation they're not doing alberta next they're doing a i
Carter
40:09
i don't know something
Carter
40:11
similar a parallel process that is absolutely fucking meaningless because people don't engage in those things what we're looking for is some sort of actual activity that gender is generated to get the leader attention that has It has to be the very first piece. You're so
Annalise
40:28
so heated up about this. I'm
Annalise
40:31
Do you hear how much your voice is rising? I
Carter
40:33
I am angry about this. This is a slam fucking dunk. We had multi-billion dollar corruption scandal in health care that they fucking let fade away. We have a fucking... I'm not done yet, young lady. Make
Annalise
40:50
that angry man face again with your
Carter
40:56
They let that fade away And now they're letting Alberta Separation fade away Two gimmies for an opposition party And they are fucking it up And
Carter
41:05
And then the second piece that they need to do Keep yelling
Annalise
41:07
yelling Keep waving those hands Keep making that face
Carter
41:11
face Take a breath What is wrong with you Annalise
Carter
41:17
Getting in front of your bull You're a bullfighter already here They
Carter
41:21
They continue to not Do the work at the constituency level The
Carter
41:26
need to be strengthened.
Annalise
41:27
strengthened. So the first thing's
Carter
41:28
center. First is the leader. Second is the constituency level. These things need... What? You're making fun of me. I'm going to get angrier with you as we progress through this.
Carter
41:41
respond the way my kids respond when I get angry.
Carter
41:45
at me. Is this how
Annalise
41:45
how you get angry at your kids?
Carter
41:48
I don't know how I get angry at my kids. Your kids
Annalise
41:50
kids are so nice. They're so kind. My
Carter
41:52
My kids are in their 20s. I don't remember the last time I was mad at them although
Carter
41:57
I'm still paying for their fucking phones although I'm not supposed to
Annalise
42:04
leader centric leader centric comms and
Annalise
42:07
and constant level are the two things those are your that's
Annalise
42:10
game plan that's your six month game plan
Carter
42:14
you're not getting an election in the next six months right but you are getting an election
Carter
42:20
you are getting an election within the next year yeah right
Carter
42:25
six months focus on getting your leader out there getting your leader how do you do that how
Annalise
42:28
how do you what's the what's the game plan how do you get your leader out there how do you break through well
Carter
42:34
well you got to come up with a set of tactics that aren't the same communications uh uh masturbatory communications material right like doing an engagement structure Like, you're basically taking the Alberta Party listening tour and incorporating it into the NDP. It's not going to work. Like
Annalise
42:54
Like what we've talked about, you
Annalise
42:57
you and I have, and I think on recent episodes, like how it's hard to break through. There's so much going on. Daniel Smith is very good at communications. It's hard to break through. I'm not, I'm not excusing the
Annalise
43:07
the NDP, but what, what, how, how do they break through and how do they increase the profile of their leader who's known in Calgary, but.
Carter
43:18
but. Focus on Calgary. Focus
Carter
43:23
Focus on where your seats are going to come from and get in there and actually start, you
Carter
43:30
use some language that is incendiary, that actually gets people talking about you. You know, light yourself on fire a little bit. Go crazy. Get some attention. If you start getting attention and start fighting for the person. like but how is fighting for canadians how do you like why the fuck isn't the head nancy fighting for alberta how do you light
Annalise
43:51
light yourself on fire and and get and get attention
Carter
43:57
how i mean i'm not consulting with the ndp i'm not gonna give you're
Carter
44:00
gonna give them free advice
Annalise
44:01
you're gonna use all those strategies with brian t soon i
Annalise
44:04
i mean you gotta put them on naked on a on a
Carter
44:06
riding through a park horse
Annalise
44:08
horse naked horse is what it all comes down to i
Carter
44:11
i think think you need to use a different language set i think that you need to get nenshi riled up uh put him in different situations where he's talking to people so just do like a full reset
Annalise
44:20
reset be like what we've been doing for the last year is not working it's
Annalise
44:23
it's not working we're doing something new we're trying out something new full reset exactly
Carter
44:27
exactly okay right um
Carter
44:31
those are my plans do
Annalise
44:32
do you have any other advice i feel like one of the last times we talked was with the um what's the name the the Samarish, the landlord story. Remember it? Because you were like, this is the global mail scoop. You're like, this is going to be big. I was like, no, it's not. It's not going to break through. You're like, it's huge. It's going to break through. It didn't break through.
Carter
44:50
Mark it down on your calendar, okay? Stephen Carter said
Carter
44:53
said today... So hold on,
Carter
44:54
on, hold on. Jeb Bush is the guy.
Carter
44:56
Well, it turns out nothing is breaking through.
Carter
44:59
Right, which was my point. Samarish's landlord story should have broken through. Which was
Annalise
45:01
was my point like two months ago, right?
Carter
45:03
right? Oh, well, you were right and I was wrong. So what are you looking for, Annalise? You're
Annalise
45:08
You're the second person who said that to me today. Alex said it to me earlier.
Annalise
45:13
Thanks, Carter. I was looking for that.
Carter
45:15
That's all we could do. I was irrationally angry earlier.
Carter
45:20
And for that, I'd like to apologize to the listeners. Look at
Annalise
45:23
at that apology. No, but it's hard to break through, right?
Carter
45:27
right? It is hard to break through. It is super hard to break through. Anybody trying to run in politics right now, I've talked about it a million times. The general media has fallen apart. We've filled that void with social media for quite some time. It has fallen apart.
Carter
45:46
News is not getting shared. There is no mechanism available to actually share information except sitting around a campfire, apparently. and how that information gets there is a giant fucking mystery we
Carter
45:58
we don't understand social network construction enough to create consistently create information that travels through social networks well
Annalise
46:06
well i see yes but i think it's part of it is that just people relied before on solely traditional media and traditional media i think is still a small portion of it but as you say there's these other social media people don't understand they don't understand where where it's gone and and what it is exactly
Annalise
46:26
okay we agree there perfect um okay we're
Carter
46:28
we're so good this has been such a good podcast that's
Annalise
46:31
that's so that's kind of people
Carter
46:32
people are so lucky to listen to us to
Carter
46:35
say we've this is the world famous isn't it yeah
Annalise
46:37
yeah it is world famous
Annalise
46:38
people across the world are lucky to listen kate last last
Annalise
46:41
last one on the uh the provincial stuff which is um the separation referendum question question um so tomic thomas lukaszek is now on the clock to get nearly 300 signatures on the stay in canada oh sorry sorry 300
Annalise
46:59
300 000 signatures yeah
Annalise
47:01
because i think you can actually get 300
Annalise
47:05
300 000 signatures uh on the stay in canada question he's got a higher threshold holds because of when he filed his question um
Annalise
47:15
um alberta's albertans could start signing the petition as of i think it was a week ago when i was away um he says he's confident he'll get there from a number of standpoints i don't think he will do you no
Carter
47:29
no he's absolutely 100 going to fail okay we knew this when he put his question yeah you've said this before so
Carter
47:36
so you know it now it
Annalise
47:37
it is It is not going to
Annalise
47:39
happen. Okay, so calm down. So the
Annalise
47:41
question is... Well, that's the way to make me calm
Annalise
47:45
is to tell me to calm down.
Annalise
47:49
The question is... I've spent the last many days with a one-year-old and three-year-olds, and it's just like... With my one-year-old and three-year-olds. Just
Carter
47:58
Just not a random one-year-old and three-year-old? My
Annalise
48:00
My own children. But you're yelling at me. i'm having flashbacks of my um my
Carter
48:07
my three-year-olds yeah uh when he's just had too much when he's just had too
Annalise
48:12
too much sugar and not enough sleep while camping okay the question for you now that you're calm is
Annalise
48:17
is what is the best strategy to get 300 000 in-person signatures in 90 days like
Carter
48:24
best strategy yeah how
Annalise
48:25
how how let's say let's say let's say the people lukasik and his and his pals were like stephen carter here's a million dollars you're helping us out and they're paying you because we know that you work
Carter
48:35
work with people who give you
Annalise
48:37
you a good paycheck.
Annalise
48:38
You're still taking notes. I'm
Carter
48:41
math. You're still taking notes.
Annalise
48:43
Like what's the strategy? If someone was giving you a paycheck and said like, here's the problem, we need 300,000 signatures in three months beginning August 1st. So one of those months this summer, how do you do it?
Carter
48:56
First of all, you time it so you're not doing it in the summer.
Annalise
48:58
Nope, nope. You got August, September, October, you need 100,000 signatures a month. And they're giving you
Carter
49:07
huge paycheck. I will take their money and I will say that it can be done, but it can't be done. Here's the truth. If you want to achieve a $300,000 or 300,000 person petition, you have to have a core group of 4,000 people spread out across the province. How
Annalise
49:23
How many? Sorry, how many people do you need? 4
Carter
49:27
4,000 means that you're getting 75 signatures from each of them. You tell each of them that they've got a 200 signature requirement.
Carter
49:34
And then each one of them goes out and tries to generate 200 signatures. So where
Annalise
49:38
where do you get those 4,000 people from?
Carter
49:40
This is where the problem lies, right? There's only a very select number of organizations that could generate 4,000 people. Unions maybe would be able to generate that many people. Generally speaking, they wouldn't be able to, right? Right. So if you were to look
Carter
49:57
look at somewhere like maybe you could get everybody who has one of those clean coal or no, you know, protect our mountains or
Carter
50:06
our water, defend our parks, whatever.
Carter
50:09
whatever. You know, maybe
Carter
50:10
maybe if you got all of those people, you would have 4000 people. You'd have to get them all. You
Annalise
50:14
You had to get everyone who has a sign. Everyone
Carter
50:16
Everyone who has a sign. And the problem is that their social networks all include each other. right like you're you're you're batting in the same you're you're all in the same pool right how do you get enough people from out like from outside of that pool is where so what
Carter
50:33
this is why it will never succeed okay would
Annalise
50:35
would you do it would you take the work the paid the very well-paid work hypothetically if the threshold was not the 300 000 it was the new lower threshold of what 177 then
Annalise
50:49
is it possible if that number's cut and almost half yeah
Carter
50:52
yeah i mean you could now go to 2 000 people but your object your first objective is to organize 2 000 people who want to collect signatures so
Annalise
51:00
so what's the what's the max to 4 000 you're saying totally impossible you can't find your 4 000 people to spread out
Carter
51:06
out so you think you
Annalise
51:06
you can find 2 000 i
Carter
51:08
i think i could get like 2 000 people if we were doing an olympics in if the question was we want to bring the olympics to to alberta you
Annalise
51:17
you could get 2 000 people because you
Carter
51:18
you go to like you go to
Annalise
51:20
to sport organizations i'd
Carter
51:21
i'd be able to find enough people in sport organizations people who like who like the olympics it has a broad appeal economic impact of it you could make you could probably find 2 000 people okay
Carter
51:33
who would each go and they would have a broad social network here i'll
Annalise
51:36
i'll poke some holes in your theory that there's not 4 000 just for for fun um
Annalise
51:40
um we were talking about this like canada movements and how people are into it and they're buying canadian like can you just camp outside of the grocery store and be like hey you just bought you just bought canadian you love canada sign
Annalise
51:54
sign our petition and come be one of our people who who goes around like they
Carter
51:59
will generate 72 000 signatures doing it that way they
Annalise
52:03
they will they'll generate how many 72
Carter
52:05
72 000 okay that's my guess so you that's how many signatures thomas lukasik's gonna get but
Annalise
52:10
but so you're just the The threshold is just too high.
Carter
52:13
You can't, I mean, you would have to sit, this is the point about the 4,000 people. You can't just sit outside of a grocery store. A grocery store is drawing maybe, I
Carter
52:25
4,000 unique customers a week, right?
Annalise
52:29
been to the Beacon Hill Costco?
Carter
52:32
No one goes to the Beacon Hill Costco. It's a dump. Have you been to the Beacon, it's
Annalise
52:35
it's hell. It is hell. Have you been to the Beacon Hill Costco? Why would you go there?
Carter
52:38
Why would you go there? The Beacon
Annalise
52:39
Beacon Hill Costco, if you went to the Beacon Hill Costco on like a Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Carter
52:45
Wow. And everybody just signed your petition?
Carter
52:48
not. You should call Thomas and tell him this. No. Because he could probably, this might get him to 80,000 people. We were
Annalise
52:54
were just talking about how like cool it is that people are like. You
Carter
52:57
You will not. People are like,
Annalise
52:59
like, we don't want to go to the States and like we love Canada. So why not
Carter
53:03
not like try and capitalize
Carter
53:04
that? You're not hearing me. You're trying. You
Annalise
53:07
at me and maybe
Carter
53:07
maybe I'll hear it. You're not hearing me.
Carter
53:10
It is not the number of people that you can get to sign up at the Beacon Hill Costco. No, I'm not
Annalise
53:15
not saying sign them up. I'm saying recruit them to be here for a thousand. I'm still talking.
Carter
53:23
I don't know about
Annalise
53:23
sentence. To be here for a thousand.
Carter
53:29
You have to, the work needs to be done to find your 4,000 people first.
Carter
53:34
Then maybe you can find the number of people required to sign up. So
Annalise
53:37
So get some of them from the Beacon Hill Costco on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. I will fucking come over to their house.
Carter
53:45
I hate the Beacon Hill Costco so much.
Carter
53:47
I'm sensing that. Why
Annalise
53:50
Why? Because it's slightly closer than the Northeast one. It's a lot closer than the Northeast one, which is so much better.
Carter
53:59
Didn't they close the Northeast one? Didn't something happen to the Northeast one? No, no.
Annalise
54:02
There's going to be a new one, too, on the way out to the mountains, hey? okay by
Annalise
54:07
by calloway park wow
Annalise
54:09
yeah canada's largest um okay so even if they said steven carter here is a million dollars help us get our 300 000 signatures you're saying no i'm not doing if
Carter
54:20
if you gave me the million dollars right
Carter
54:23
right and you gave me the time then
Carter
54:26
then i could do it well
Carter
54:29
now you're changing you said it you
Annalise
54:30
you said it's impossible you're saying it's impossible you
Carter
54:33
you're starting you're starting you're starting the clock on me already i need six months to get my 4 000 people okay
Carter
54:40
then i put in the question and
Carter
54:42
and then i start so
Annalise
54:42
so that's how you would do it you're just saying you wouldn't take
Annalise
54:45
you wouldn't do it now because it's already started right
Carter
54:47
right so if you give me a million dollars now and i have to organize for april may and june yeah of next year i could probably get that done and
Annalise
54:57
and where are you getting your 4 000 people from depends
Carter
55:00
on what the question is
Carter
55:00
is it about is it sovereignty is it um you know if it's sovereignty it's one way of doing it if it's an olympics it's another way of doing it if it's uh getting rid of daniel smith it's another way of doing it i mean if it's getting rid of daniel smith i don't think i don't think it's doable okay right like i think that there are questions that can be that will not succeed and one of them is on alberta sovereignty i just don't think enough people it's just not one of their highest issues it's not something they think about if a
Annalise
55:29
a group approached you and they gave you the six months of lead time that you want your strategy would be a totally different topic altogether yeah
Annalise
55:40
what would be what's the top of the list what what's the one topic in alberta you think would get the most people out olympics
Carter
55:45
olympics i think coal mining on the in the eastern slope would probably be pretty i
Carter
55:48
i think it would be really fun you
Carter
55:50
i think the olympics the olympics would be my number one you
Annalise
55:54
yeah but you think you could get more people out for coal mining then let's say not the exact question and and you still have your six months but like you think you could get more people you could it would be easier to find 4 000 people for coal mining than for we
Carter
56:10
we love canada would be is super hard interesting
Carter
56:13
it's so vague what
Carter
56:15
what do i get what
Carter
56:16
do i avoid they
Carter
56:18
don't love canada that much you know what they love they
Carter
56:21
they love going camping in canada no
Annalise
56:23
no but we were
Carter
56:23
were just talking about
Annalise
56:24
about it you said you like buying canadian apples i
Carter
56:30
i will not sit outside of the safeway or the co-op and get those signatures yeah
Annalise
56:34
yeah no you're thinking too small costco is so much bigger carter don't not
Annalise
56:39
not the small ones you need the big that's the
Annalise
56:42
the suburb the costco gas station there's like a line up there uh
Annalise
56:46
uh okay that is a wrap on the world famous kick you
Carter
56:49
you off the property
Carter
56:52
wouldn't costco come to you and say what the fuck are you doing you can't just set up a tent see now you're see you're
Annalise
56:57
you're thinking it through more you don't think it's the worst idea
Carter
57:00
it is it's worse than the worst idea because you're getting kicked off i'm
Annalise
57:03
i'm just thinking Thinking about places where there's a lot of people.
Carter
57:07
Yeah, we'll go to McMahon Stadium. And you know how many people are in McMahon Stadium? 35,000. That's the best case scenario. When is it ever that full?
Annalise
57:14
When is it ever that full? My
Annalise
57:15
bottom line is, this is what I'm saying. When is it ever that full?
Carter
57:20
300,000 people is impossible. It is impossible. That's
Annalise
57:23
That's a wrap on the World Famous Annalise and Carter
Carter
57:26
Carter Show. I'm not done
Annalise
57:27
I'm still angry. Episode three.