Transcript
Carter
0:29
Let's do something crazy before you record and
Carter
0:32
make sure that we've got an outline, an
Carter
0:35
an outline of what it is we want to talk about, because
Carter
0:38
because I would like to propose that we talk about how government's supposed to work in a constitutional monarchy.
Carter
0:44
And we look at, you know, the role of the LG, the role of the courts, the role of the of the legislature and the role of the government, because those are different. And I'd like to talk about those.
Corey
0:57
Welcome to this. this is the strategists fuck
Carter
1:00
fuck that up again
Corey
1:05
it's what people expect at this point it's just fine how are you zane's not here because um we didn't want to invite him we we intentionally didn't tell him we were recording at this time he's
Carter
1:15
he's got a little conflict of interest he
Corey
1:18
does have a little conflict yeah
Carter
1:19
yeah the uh vice son to the vice regal title was hilarious before this shit happened you
Carter
1:28
son of the Mike
Carter
1:29
Mike Striegel. That's hilarious. Oh, that's very funny.
Corey
1:31
Ceremonial position your mother-in-law has. That's really cool. Oh, that's really
Carter
1:34
really funny. That's good.
Carter
1:35
And now he's like,
Carter
1:37
I'm not sure we're, should we even talk about this? In fairness, he's never said that. But
Carter
1:43
But I wanted to put some words in his mouth.
Corey
1:45
Do you know, it
Corey
1:47
was his mother-in-law who actually said all of this stuff today? I
Corey
1:52
Pretty crazy. Yeah. It's her voice. It's on the record. Yeah.
Carter
1:55
Yeah. She's the one. yeah
Carter
1:56
she's the one that we'll be talking about 100 years from now so
Corey
2:00
so hey let's talk a bit about alberta let's talk a bit about alberta this is an emergency down
Carter
2:06
let's do it okay
Corey
2:09
that's a little much i
Corey
2:12
think it's a little much in
Carter
2:13
in fairness it's what daniel's trying to do so
Carter
2:16
so i'm just i'm falling in line with what she's doing already yeah
Corey
2:20
yeah that i can't argue with in the sense that that this is some wild stuff. Like we had gotten
Corey
2:26
gotten mentally ready for the Sovereignty Act. We didn't think it was a good idea. We thought it was either going to be superfluous because it was going to assert powers Alberta already had, just like the Saskatchewan First legislation. Yeah.
Corey
2:39
Or we thought it was going to be like really wild and assert powers that Alberta doesn't have. We didn't realize it would be kind of a little bit of both. both i'd like to talk a bit about that but then also a third thing which
Corey
2:55
which is a total disregard for our parliamentary system yeah and the way things go on and go forward and uh
Corey
3:03
uh i gotta get this what
Carter
3:05
what on earth is going on in
SPEAKER_01
3:08
in the house of commons but
Corey
3:10
but instead of house of commons the yeah the legislature the
Carter
3:17
we'll go with so what do you want want to start with you want to start i think we should break down the sovereignty act and you should start us off because you actually know shit because you read and um i'll
Carter
3:26
i'll i'll fill in details as i know them as
Carter
3:28
as i understand them you want to do that what is this sovereignty act what
Carter
3:32
what is this sovereignty act mr hogan that
Corey
3:37
that was your zane yeah it was pretty good terrible zane um okay i you know what i i try to when i get faced with something that i have I have such like an immediate visceral negative reaction to, I try to create like a charitable read of it. I try to say, okay, that's, that's me. That's my baggage. That's what I'm bringing into it. Let's step back. Let's, let's get to intent. So why don't we start with intent? Okay.
Corey
3:59
And then we can get into the nuts and bolts here. Good
Corey
4:01
This seems to be an act designed, well, not seems to, I have the legislation open or the draft legislation in front of me, seems to be an act that is designed to allow the Alberta government to change any of its laws, any of its regulations, any actions taken by any provincial entity, which we'll get into, in order to stymie the federal government. Should they do something that the provincial government decides is either A, unconstitutional or B, harms Albertans?
Corey
4:36
That's, you know, like B is pretty big. You know, A is like kind of the narrow version you could have expected of this bill. We feel the government's being unconstitutional, so we're going to act in a certain fashion. B is like, we don't like it. Therefore, we are going to do this.
Corey
4:51
i just gotta throw this on the table now how that is done is there is a simple vote of the legislature on essentially we think the federal government's doing something bad we propose you look at these solutions there's a couple of other things there simple vote not not like passing a bill not three readings not full legislation and
Corey
5:10
and then it proposes like a general course of action to cabinet to go away and figure out cabinet
Corey
5:16
cabinet then can do whatever the fuck they want anything
Corey
5:18
whatever the fuck they want uh
Corey
5:20
uh and it can do it for two years and then if they feel like it they can extend it for another two years that's
Corey
5:25
that's pretty problematic because this is a bill that lets cabinet modify acts outside of the legislative process based on their view of federal initiatives because this is the other thing it doesn't require an actual federal act it doesn't even require an actual federal action it requires an
Corey
5:43
an action either either that's been taken, that is being planned to be taken, or that they anticipate they might take.
Carter
5:50
Well, and anticipate can be interpreted in a couple of different ways. Well, 100%.
Carter
5:57
One is imagine. So
Carter
5:58
So it can be an imaginary thing that they feel is being perpetrated upon them by the federal government.
Carter
6:07
That is something, for example, the travel travel restrictions. People have been saying it's Trudeau, it's Trudeau, it's Trudeau. When oftentimes, like, for example, you can't fly into the United States without immunization today because of the US rules. So Trudeau gets blamed. The actions are then taken by the provincial government because they're imagining some sort of impact on Albertans. It doesn't have to be real. It can be real, planned, and you put it in this tweet, imaginary. You're the second person that's brought that up to me.
Carter
6:41
And I think that we need to dig into a little bit, what does it mean when you say a provincial group or provincial, I can't remember the exact language you
Corey
6:50
you used. Entity. Yeah.
Corey
6:51
mean? It's in there. Yeah.
Carter
6:53
Yeah. Because one of those areas is municipalities.
Carter
6:56
This fundamentally just changed the relationship between
Carter
7:00
between the province and its municipalities. And in a situation like we just had with the pandemic, we could see foundational changes that would be brought towards municipalities. This is not an easy thing.
Carter
7:18
You pick on the feds, and you smack down the cities.
Carter
7:23
It's a winning formula.
Corey
7:26
That is the other thing that I think we need to throw on the table since you opened it up. Provincial entity is something that's generally pretty well understood by government. We talk about provincial entities, provincial corporations. You can create kind of Venn diagrams of crown corporation, provincial entity, provincial corporation, entity under the Fiscal Accountability Act, Department of Government. There's lots of different words we use that don't mean exactly the same thing. And so hopefully it is defined in this act as
Corey
7:49
as a public agency, a crown-controlled organization, an entity that carries out a power, duty, or function under an enactment. That, by the way, includes a lot of organizations that you wouldn't normally think
Corey
8:02
uh an entity that receives a grant or other public funds from the government that are contingent on the provision of a service again pulling a lot of people everybody
Corey
8:10
uh a regional health authority a
Corey
8:13
a post-secondary institution a board under the education act so your school boards a municipal authority as you talked about so a city a town county a
Corey
8:24
a police service Or a regional police service. So that would be also including the RCMP under contract from us, as well as any other similarly provincially regulated entity prescribed by regs. So that's
Corey
8:38
that's a lot of things.
Corey
8:39
But let's zoom back a little bit here. It also talks about how these entities, you
Corey
8:47
they can basically be told to ignore federal law. They
Corey
8:51
They can be told to ignore federal law, and there's
Corey
8:56
there's not too much those entities can do about it.
Carter
8:58
No, it's not told.
Carter
9:02
You know, told is an interesting word.
Carter
9:04
You know, Heather tells me to do things all the time. I don't necessarily do those things.
Carter
9:10
You're required. You are required. You
Carter
9:11
You are required to
Carter
9:13
act in the way that the provincial government has indicated.
Carter
9:15
indicated. And we even saw this yesterday when Danielle Smith admitted that she was making telephone calls around to grant recipients and demanding that they drop their vaccination requirements or they'd lose their funding, right? Right. This isn't without. And this is this is now Danielle Smith acting like she's part of the frickin mafia, reaching out and telling people how she wishes that they would behave and threatening
Carter
9:40
threatening their grants if they don't behave in that fashion.
Carter
9:44
And the Arctic Games was was thrown up as one example. But there's been many more, including private corporations that have been been contacted by the premier's office. office. It's staggering how she's interpreting the role of the Premier's office and how this is being seen as something that she's supposed to be doing.
Carter
10:05
Now this is supposed to be, Corey, like
Carter
10:08
like you talked about the not constitutional section,
Carter
10:11
and then there was also the second section which harms Albertans, right? That's
Carter
10:15
Is there any metric on what harming an Albertan looks like?
Corey
10:19
No, that seems to be in the eye of the resolution of the legislature. I mean, there's so much to throw on the table here. I do want to say one
Corey
10:29
of the things that people will immediately say is like, okay, well, what's the big deal? The legislature is still voting, to which I would sort of throw back.
Corey
10:38
That's not how we make a bill. That's not how we make a law, I guess is what I really mean, because a bill is just a yet to be law. Yeah,
Corey
10:46
it goes through readings, there's consultation, there's committee, there's deliberation, you look at the actual language. And in this case, there's none of that. It's a straight up or down vote.
Corey
10:55
It requires then to say what they think the problem is with it, which is effectively, we don't like this federal power, we think this is the harm. and then identify a measure or measures that the LG and council should take. But there's nothing that requires those measures to be particularly well thought out. There's nothing that requires legislators to actually read legislation. It provides an awful lot of power to an awfully small group of people with almost no oversight. And, you know, it makes the process wonk at me. Crazy. crazy makes the process wonk. I mean, just nuts because there's
Corey
11:33
there's a reason we do things the way we do them. And we're just throwing all of that away and giving just a wild amount of authority to
Corey
11:41
to the provincial cabinet that
Corey
11:43
just has very few checks on it.
Carter
11:45
Yeah. I mean, they can literally rewrite the laws right now. And this is where I think we kind of have to go into a little bit of how government's supposed to function. So government is different than the legislature, which is different than the courts, which is different. But the government itself, the cabinet ministers and the bureaucracy are supposed to be governed by what comes out of the legislature. The legislature passes the laws. Those bills that become law are all passed through the multiple reading process in the legislature, debates, multiple stages where opposition has the opportunity to filibuster, to have their voices heard, where friendly amendments can be made, legislation gets stronger. But ultimately, the legislation is then passed by the legislature. And then within those pieces of legislation, the government is able to put in certain regulations, but they can't just ignore, they cannot change laws
Carter
12:39
laws without returning to the legislature and having those laws change. You see them in omnibus bills. Those changes are brought in all kinds of different types of legislation. This piece of legislation completely rewrites how that system works, completely rewrites it.
Corey
12:55
It does. It's very problematic because when a government, when cabinet makes a regulation, what we call an order in council, or when a ministerial order comes down, those are rooted in
Corey
13:06
in the legislation, right? You don't just get to make a regulation on anything. You are given regulatory authority by a piece of legislation. And
Corey
13:14
And that's not what this is. This is is not giving regulatory authority this is the giving the authority to change an enactment change a act of of the legislature without going to the legislature it completely flips the idea and again like i know there's just going to be like there's so many people who will not care this is our whole system of government responsible government the legislature makes the laws the government is responsible to that legislature and and they have to do what the legislature says not not the other the way around.
Carter
13:45
Now, some will say, and maybe this is the defense that the Alberta government or Danielle Smith would say, she would say, this is not actually going to rewrite major swaths of Alberta law. This is enabling us to take issue with federal law and to change our own processes so that our own institutions aren't subjected to bad, unconstitutional or harming Albertans law law um out of uh out of ottawa now if
Carter
14:15
if that's the law if that's the response like there's
Carter
14:18
there's already a process to deal with laws that aren't constitutional there's two processes and one is the the courts and the other is notwithstanding clause how come we can't use those two remedies um to deal with the non-constitutional parts that that danielle smith is is railing about i
Corey
14:36
i i would i quibble with your use of notwithstanding clause there. That's more about rights and freedoms. But to your point, that was actually called out in the legislation too, that
Corey
14:46
that rights and freedoms were being affected here. But
Corey
14:49
But I agree. I mean, this is entirely the point of courts. But what this bill is trying to do is not quite that. It's not quite saying that the federal law doesn't apply. It's saying we are going to take any action, whether it be through policy, through regulation, through through legislation entirely
Corey
15:07
done by cabinet, but
Corey
15:09
but for like that simple up-down vote of the legislature at a certain point. The way we want to do it, to
Corey
15:15
to do anything we can to get in the way of a federal action that we dislike. And maybe that sounds reasonable to some people, but
Corey
15:22
but I don't think people fully appreciate just, like, let's put it this way. Let's put it this way. We've been talking about a
Corey
15:30
a Canada pension plan. We've been talking about, or
Corey
15:33
or sorry, an Alberta pension plan. We've been talking about Alberta income tax collection.
Corey
15:37
I imagine as an Albertan, you were probably thinking we're going to have big, robust debate in the legislature about that. If
Corey
15:42
If all of a sudden the legislature has a up-down vote and says, we think that we don't like the way the Canadian federal government is involving itself in the collection of income taxes here in Alberta, we
Corey
15:54
we think we should explore ways that we can collect our own taxes. Cabinet could go away and say, we agree. So we've modified all of the legislation we need to, to just create an Alberta to Income Tax Corporation and
Corey
16:05
and move forward. And maybe you think that's crazy. Maybe you think that's a stretch. There is nothing in this legislation that does not allow that.
Carter
16:14
Income Tax Collection, CPP,
Carter
16:19
basically anything that was in that original firewall letter that was written back in the Ralph Klein days, in the early Stephen Harper days, could be used to apply to this type of gross overreach. And it's not, it's not, it's
Carter
16:35
it's totally reaching outside of the processes that we're trying to get to.
Corey
16:41
So let me throw another one at you here.
Corey
16:44
Let's say the legislature said, I'm going to use their exact model here. Let me give me one second.
Corey
16:51
Let's say the legislature says we are creating a resolution under this act. It is the opinion of the legislative assembly that the CPP is taking more money from Albertans than they're giving. Because we have a younger population, this is creating a disproportionate harm on Albertans. And
Corey
17:09
And so in our opinion, we would like the cabinet to look at measures where we can find ways that money that Albertans are investing in their retirement stays with Albertans. Doesn't even mention the Alberta pension plan, but that would pass the sniff test of this act. And
Corey
17:25
And that would allow cabinet it by order in council, which is a bunch of people in a closed room with deliberations you will never see, you will never see, they could create the Alberta pension plan under that. And they could do it for up to four years before any act of legislature had to be brought into it.
Carter
17:42
In which case, just by the time passing alone, it's
Carter
17:45
it's going to be very,
Corey
17:46
very, very difficult to
Carter
17:47
to undo. You know, this is part of the insidious
Carter
17:52
insidious nature of this, right? right? Insidious nature of this is that, you know, first of all, where does this hole within a United Canada come in? Like, did you remember how we hung on that when she talked about that at the, you know, the speech from the premier's chair, whatever the hell we call it, you know, just a week ago, this is just a week ago. And all of a sudden, now we're actually seeing that piece of legislation. I don't see how within a United Canada still is a big piece. Like, is there any
Carter
18:21
any any specific elements that promote unity, or is it all just a pro-Alberta sovereignty type of bill?
Corey
18:28
Well, if you really wanted to stretch, you could say that in the preamble, it talks about the governing documents dividing the relationship between Canada and Alberta, and that is what they perceive as the nation of
Corey
18:42
But I mean, you're right. There's nothing in here that talks about how we strengthen federation, and there's nothing that talks about Canada being and United, quite the opposite. It gives a sack of hammers to beat the federal government down with any time you perceive a slight against Alberta, like any slight. Like when we're talking harm, we're not saying Justin
Corey
18:59
Justin Trudeau is going to show up with a baseball bat and break your kneecaps. We're saying you are disadvantaged relative perhaps to somebody who would not be in there. Equalization could arguably be a harm to Albertans, you know, under this very vague act that we have.
Carter
19:12
Of course, they're going to go after equalization, Corey. Of course, they're going to to go after equalization. And
Carter
19:16
And the interesting thing is if they did, what
Carter
19:19
what remedies would even be available?
Carter
19:22
outside of collecting our own, I mean, the
Carter
19:24
the remedy that I would see is that we start collecting our own income tax and we then
Carter
19:29
then remit to the government of Canada, whatever we deem to be appropriate.
Corey
19:34
mean, that's like so deeply unconstitutional that I think even this act would not allow.
Carter
19:39
my point is like, how are you supposed to get around all of these different things.
Carter
19:45
We exist within a country. We are a province. We are not an independent nation. We don't even have this union of states that they have in the United States. We're part of this constitutional monarchy, and we're basically declaring ourselves separate and different. You put this in another one of your tweets. What
Carter
20:10
What if British Columbia did this? Would we be getting the TMX pipeline from Calgary or from Alberta into Vancouver or Burnaby. Would that actually be happening? Because I think it would be relatively straightforward to
Carter
20:25
to imagine a scenario where the good people of British Columbia would
Carter
20:29
would love to have something like this so they don't have to put up with pipelines
Carter
20:32
pipelines and shipments to their harbors.
Corey
20:38
every province took this this approach, it would be chaos. And even if you want to say it's constitutional, it's chaos. And actually, that's one of the other things I want to throw on the table here. It defines the constitution actually in a pretty narrow sense. It defines it based on the written documents, the Constitution Act of 1867, 1930, 1982, and the schedule, which does include a bunch of acts, including the Alberta Act, I'll mention, which is just the act that created this this province. But
Corey
21:06
But our constitution is more than that. And one of the things I was thinking about is that there are so many people that I have gotten it into on Twitter about the federal power of disallowance, right?
Corey
21:19
So for our listeners who are not familiar, our constitution actually allows the federal government, the federal cabinet to disallow any piece of provincial legislation. This is not a power that the federal government has used in almost 100 years. The last Last time they used it, I believe, was in Alberta. There's also a similar power of reservation where they can kind of hold it and they can say, well, actually, we're going to talk about that piece of legislation, not the provincial lieutenant governor.
Corey
21:48
And we're going to think about it for a bit.
Corey
21:51
I guess my point would be this. There is an argument out there that because that clause has not been used in 90 years, that clause is no longer active.
Corey
22:00
Federal government would disagree. The federal government has never said this is no longer active.
Corey
22:04
The provincial government has now decided we are all just about the written text, right? So their interpretation here, I think in a funny way, sort of would allow disallowance because they're not including any of the ways that our interpretations of these things evolve over time. They're not even including like court cases and things of that nature being part of our constitutional body. body.
Corey
22:23
So there's an irony here as well. And it does, I suppose, lead to something we should talk about before we break here, which is some of the remedies
Corey
22:31
remedies available to the federal government on this particular front.
Carter
22:35
Well, let's just recap before we do the remedies available, because I think that it's important to understand, number one, we did have processes before. We could go to the courts to declare something unconstitutional. We have the ability to negotiate with the federal government and put pressure on them. We have many different things that we can do as an autonomous province. And oftentimes the example of Quebec is raised when the Sovereignty Act is talked about. Quebec
Carter
23:09
has different laws and different histories ministries with the problem with the government of Canada and they didn't sign the, the, the constitution back in the day, but they still have, we can still operate and we can still get concessions from the, from the federal government, um, without having to have this, this type of egregious overreach. Uh, can't we, I mean, this feels like it's just so much further than we needed to go in order to get what we actually, you
Carter
23:40
you know, if, even if you're with Danielle Smith, going back to your charitable read there this is just so much further than they actually needed to go in order to have impact with the federal government that they're not that they don't like
Corey
23:53
hey you know the other thing is and i was on my way to this point and i derailed myself earlier but uh this
Corey
24:00
this country works because it works because we decide to make it work we collaborate we collaborate between the province and the federal government between the federal government and municipalities, between municipalities and the provincial government, between
Corey
24:12
between all orders of government and indigenous peoples, you know, and that's making it way too simple. Like everything works because we want it to work. If we decide we don't want it to work, it's not easy. It's not a simple enough thing to say, this is mine and that is yours. And we'll just figure it out wherever we sort of rub shoulders. Try to run your household like that. Imagine you say to your spouse, all right, I'm going to do these tasks and you're going to do those tasks. I don't want to fucking hear about you telling me to do your tasks or me being involved in your tasks in any sort of way. We're separating these things. When you live in a house together, you've got to figure out how you work together. And our legislation, our regulations, our policies that don't even meet the standard of regulation, these
Corey
24:57
these things all consider a certain collaboration and amity
Corey
25:02
amity between orders of government and the willingness to work together and make it work for Canadians. Canadians because at the end of the day, I'm not 50% an Albertan
Corey
25:12
Albertan and 50% a Canadian and I can divide my life like that. I'm one person and I need my government, whatever order it's at, to be working for me. And this is going to make things more expensive. It's going to make services worse. And the only people we hurt with such a blanket approach like this is ourselves.
Corey
25:29
It's as simple as that.
Carter
25:32
What's good about this act?
Carter
25:37
like if you were to pick one thing that we we could have had or if we'd focused a little bit tighter this might have made more sense well is there
Carter
25:42
there anything you would pick i mean i can't think of anything off the top of my head but you
Carter
25:46
you know i'm limited as you as you've pointed out many times i'm limited i don't have your your level of intelligence well i'm smart but
Corey
25:55
here's what i I would say.
Corey
25:58
We do kind of drift a lot of the time. And we don't think so much about,
Corey
26:03
we're not very intentional about the things that we overlap on and what we're responsible for and what we're not. And we don't rethink decisions that were made very frequently. And there was an opportunity with an act like this, which I would not have called the Sovereignty Act, basically to say almost a statement of this is what we want to do. And this is how we're going to do it. And this is how we perceive our relationship with the federal government. We understand that they may perceive it differently, but this is almost a statement. And I'm not even sure it needed to be an act, Stephen.
Corey
26:29
But we could have brought a certain intentionality to our interactions with the federal government as a province that we simply don't usually have. Like that would have been a possibility. And even saying that this is something we're interested in doing, and maybe we're not okay with saying, yeah, we've always subcontracted police services, so we're going to keep doing it. Maybe we want to have that conversation. conversation. Look,
Corey
26:52
Look, there's an OPP. There's a Surrey to Quebec. There is the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary. How's that for a fucking name? This is not the craziest notion. And yes, it's bloody expensive. I personally don't think the pros outweigh the cons, but let's not pretend there's not arguments for it. We could have some of those conversations, but this is not that. This is saying, if you don't do what we like, federal government, we're going to poke a stick in your fucking eye and we're going to break the arms of the people around us so they can't shake your hand that's
Carter
27:28
okay i i think i was i said we'd go back and address something i've forgotten what that is because i'm an idiot but
Corey
27:34
but what the federal government could do yeah okay let's
Carter
27:36
let's do the federal government things and then we're gonna then
Carter
27:38
then i'm gonna come back to a couple other questions tell
Carter
27:41
tell me about what the feds could do because
Carter
27:42
because i got a couple
Corey
27:43
couple thoughts than what
Carter
27:43
what the feds should do.
Corey
27:46
What the feds are doing right now is basically saying, we don't think these are Albertans' priorities. We're going to continue working on the economy. We're going to continue working on the environment, blah,
Corey
27:55
blah, blah, blah, blah. And we have great relationships with all of the provinces and we're happy to continue working with people. So basically they're not swinging at this pitch.
Corey
28:03
Now I'm sure they determined that course of action before
Corey
28:07
Let's see if their opinion change is either based on public opinion in Alberta now that we have an actual thing, Because actually, this is worth mentioning.
Corey
28:15
We've been talking about the Alberta Sovereignty Act for most
Corey
28:18
most of the year, and
Corey
28:19
and this is the first time we've seen it. This is the first time we know what's actually in it, and it's morphed over time. So the feds are kind of taking a, we're
Corey
28:29
we're not going to get into your fight. We know you want the fight with us. We're not going to provide the fight. So
Corey
28:33
So that's what they are doing. doing.
Corey
28:35
What they could be doing in the future is based on public opinion polling.
Corey
28:39
Maybe they'll get a little greedy and say, I wouldn't mind being on the right side of this and taking a bit more of an aggressive firm stance and saying, this is not the way a country is run. It's really disappointing you take this approach. Maybe even saying along the lines of what a lot of commentary has said, imagine if we had done the same, this just will not work.
Corey
28:58
What is possible is to go further and just say you're not doing this alberta yeah and that can be done uh the mild way which is challenging it in court right
Corey
29:09
right yeah now i'm not necessarily sure you even need to i feel like a lot of other groups maybe some uh you know the groups that have been listed or otherwise caught up in it because they're getting provincial grants for a service or something like that yeah
Corey
29:21
whoever gets harmed first i suspect might might take it to the courts but uh the other option is that
Corey
29:28
that option disallowance it is literally saying this is not happening you can pass this act it will never be law here and the the
Corey
29:37
the the fucking meteoric irony of the alberta sovereignty act being quashed by the federal government is almost too delicious for me like i'm not saying it would be good
Corey
29:49
good for the country but
Corey
29:51
but it would be you know we would die laughing as a nation, because that's very, very funny. The idea that you pass an act asserting your sovereignty and the actual sovereign authority says, no, I don't think so. Yeah, that's just not going to happen here.
Carter
30:03
But I think that that's what they're afraid of, is influencing the outcome of the election in 2023, right?
Carter
30:09
right? So if the federal government has to be saying to themselves, listen, this
Carter
30:12
this is a ridiculous thing. It's childish. For all the things that Corey Hogan said on his fantastic podcast that we all listen to. It's
Carter
30:23
It's a bad idea. But if us getting involved is going to change the outcome of the provincial election, us being involved gives an opportunity to Danielle Smith to rail against the federal government and run against the federal government. Like I ran Gondek's campaign against Jason Kenney instead of the, you know, because he gave that to me. Why would the federal government give this to,
Carter
30:50
you know, to, to, to Danielle, to, to really oppose this overreach quote unquote overreach by the, by the, by the, by the
Corey
30:58
the feds. Can I throw something out there as like a final idea that might actually be a very bad one, but I want to talk it out with you. Okay.
Corey
31:06
Reservation. We've talked about disallowance. We've not talked about reservation.
Corey
31:11
What if the federal government said, you
Corey
31:14
you know what, we'll hold our tongue on the contents, but this is a big deal.
Corey
31:19
And we want Albertans to have a say. They have an election coming in May. This fundamentally changes the
Corey
31:26
the working relationship. It doesn't change the constitution, but it could break a lot of things.
Corey
31:34
we will withhold reservation. We will respect the will of Alberta's voters, but we think this is too big to not have an election. Over.
Carter
31:45
And then they put it on the actual... Now, you wouldn't put it on the ballot. You would instead just be a
Carter
31:51
a party for and
Corey
31:51
and a party against? It's just, you know what? Albertans will make their decision about the government they want. And then I run
Corey
31:59
run terror over my caucus and I say, I don't want to see you retweeting anything, liking any posts, making any comments. you shut the ever-loving fuck up unless your name is randy boissoneau right
Corey
32:11
as you know or um
Corey
32:14
or jesse or not jesse george shahal uh because they are you know they are albertans uh everybody else is not allowed to have an opinion on
Carter
32:25
that'd be fun i'm
Carter
32:27
i'm not sure it's wise i
Corey
32:30
because then you make do you potentially make justin trudeau daniel
Corey
32:34
daniel smith's opponent during in the election. Well,
Carter
32:36
Well, essentially you are. I mean, you're forcing not only that, you're forcing Rachel Notley to pick up Justin Trudeau as her running mate.
Carter
32:42
And I'm not sure that that is necessarily in anybody's best interest.
Carter
32:54
You know, and does her opinion, like, I'm getting roasted on Twitter today. I took very strong positions against this legislation i'm getting roasted by uh danielle's hit squad of of right-wing anti-vaxxers um does
Carter
33:10
does anybody care you
Carter
33:12
you know like there's this like how's the real world responding to this is someone going to in six weeks be able to tell us uh accurately within
Carter
33:22
three to four percentage points 19 times
SPEAKER_01
33:24
times out of 20
SPEAKER_01
33:32
anyways cory just disappeared
Carter
33:32
disappeared so i'm still recording uh it says so i'm just gonna keep talking and cory's back so everything worked out but
Carter
33:41
but i i just don't know how the general population is going to respond to this cory i think that there's a a very real possibility that that
Carter
33:49
Gen Pop just doesn't wake up to this and says, you know, I never cared about politics anyways. I don't like politicians. They're all the same. And who cares? Who gives a shit? I mean,
Corey
34:01
isn't that our great fear? Let me build on that. Because you're right. That is true. A lot of people don't give a shit about these things. They don't understand process. So what if, as the federal government, you played with that and
Corey
34:14
you acted almost as though the disallowance wasn't a crazy or special thing what if you just said nothing
Corey
34:20
nothing and then it just said like yeah this is being uh you know this legislation will be uh you know what
Corey
34:27
what if you just disallow it and don't say anything i guess is maybe what i'm suggesting and
Corey
34:32
then the fed and then the provincial government has to start shouting about how the federal government which they claimed they were equal partners to like what if you let them do all of the shouting and
Corey
34:41
and had to try to explain why this is not normal what the federal government has done so rather than the federal government making it a big deal they just do it and say literally nothing could
Carter
34:51
they get away with that though like they can't because at the end of the day i mean our our press corps in alberta is a little bit challenged because it's not big enough it doesn't have enough resources and it gets held back um you know because of some of our our crazy
Carter
35:06
crazy leanings but the the federal press corps is different federal press corps has you
Carter
35:14
quote unquote our best journalists in canada um they would come raring in to try and find out what the fuck's going on well
Carter
35:21
wouldn't allow so say
Corey
35:22
say it's reservation okay let me play this this is fun i agree this is maybe a the an insane thing to do but i want to play this as a thought exercise okay
Corey
35:32
federal government just reserves it just
Corey
35:34
just reserves it doesn't say anything like this basically gets It gets found out by the media when the Canada Gazette is listed, or I don't even know how reservation gets out there, right? Okay, let's
Carter
35:45
let's say it's in the Gazette. Yeah.
Corey
35:48
the government of Alberta loses their ever-loving mind, right?
Corey
35:51
right? They just say, I can't believe this, but they've reserved this legislation.
Corey
35:54
And then everybody goes rushing to the federal government, who, again, is under direct orders to say, no big, all the way along and say,
Corey
36:02
oh, it's no problem. Federal government's going to be taking it up in June.
Corey
36:07
We're going to take it as quickly as we
Corey
36:08
We're going to take it as soon as we can, June or July. No problem. We're going to take a look at it in June or July. And they let everybody else fill around it because yes, then the media is going to be like, this is very unusual. This is out in press. We've got the
Carter
36:19
the EA inquiry. We've got the budget coming in the new year. As soon as those
Corey
36:23
are done, as soon as those are done, we're
Corey
36:25
going to move on to the Alberta Sovereignty Act.
Corey
36:28
And then all of a sudden, that's
Carter
36:32
we're playing with fire because now we've got legitimate opportunities yeah
Carter
36:36
right like the budget's a real thing right and they have been distracted by the emergency act inquiry there's
Carter
36:42
there's no question as soon as they get through those two things and and we didn't know what this was until just yesterday but
Corey
36:48
but you know so we're gonna take a look at it it's no problem we're
Carter
36:50
we're gonna take a look yeah and
Corey
36:51
and it's not really
Carter
36:52
really slowing anything down oh
Corey
36:53
oh sure right like and like and if the alberta government then says this is outrageous i can't believe they would do this to us like i just i kind of love the hilarity of them saying they're not letting us pass our sovereignty act when they're claiming their equal partners in confederation i don't know it's
Corey
37:08
it's just it may be a little too probably
Carter
37:13
not a smart play yeah
Carter
37:14
yeah but uh i
Carter
37:17
i like it nonetheless let's make some calls tomorrow i'll call jt uh
Carter
37:20
uh you you know you call your people whoever
Carter
37:23
whoever the hell they are i
Carter
37:25
don't even know unknown nameless bureaucrats you can reach out to across the country the group of people who actually run our yeah
Carter
37:36
so i want to talk a little about uh indigenous the indigenous population has been the the group that's actually been holding danielle's feet to the fire uh on this they've been the ones who are uh standing up and and especially treaty treaty uh six have been standing up and you know
Carter
37:53
know screaming bloody murder before they even knew what what was happening. I can't imagine they're going to be screaming less bloody murder now that this has actually come out. They will point out, and I think rightfully, they are in fact already a sovereign nation within our nation. And any of these actions that are undertaken will
Carter
38:10
will undoubtedly impact them disproportionately than necessarily
Carter
38:16
necessarily other Albertans. So is
Carter
38:19
is there kind of a poison isn't pill there that the First Nations are going to be bringing into this discussion that
Carter
38:27
with their resources, we were talking about someone taking them to court. Is this the first mover of someone taking the Alberta government to court to try and stop this process?
Corey
38:37
Well, maybe. I don't know enough about this particular area of law, but one of the interesting things about this bill as it's written is it has this, I
Corey
38:46
I think it's attempting to be a catch-all at the start to say, can't
Corey
38:50
can't touch us, no flaws on us, right? But it's this interpretation that says nothing in this act can be construed as being
Corey
38:56
being against the constitution, compelling a person to do something that would violate federal law. Interestingly, in that interpretation, it does allow them to compel a provincial entity to do something that would violate federal law. And
Corey
39:08
And then the third one is abrogating or derogating
Corey
39:11
derogating from any existing aboriginal and treaty rights of the aboriginal peoples of canada that are recognized and affirmed by section 35 of the constitution act 1982 so i
Corey
39:21
don't know if that's if
Corey
39:23
if that's unnecessarily narrow like i just don't know enough about like the case law and and all of that and how expansive section 35 of the constitution act is read but arguably uh you know that's the only one that they sort of bracketed right and so if you're uh if you're a first nation and you think that that is actually not
Corey
39:44
permissive enough, maybe you're one of the first groups that can stand up and say, I don't think so.
Corey
39:48
You're stepping all over our treaty rights or traditional rights.
Carter
39:53
Well, I think we'll be seeing something like that relatively quickly into the process. I think that the Indigenous population, again, especially in Treaty 7, has been indicating that this is something that they're going to go for
Carter
40:04
for right away. And frankly, if they don't, I think that the municipalities, especially Calgary and Edmonton, when
Carter
40:10
when we talk about the harm that could befall a federal government from early action, I would suggest that the municipal governments actually don't
Carter
40:18
don't face that type of harm. They are representing Albertans too. And
Corey
40:22
And if the municipal
Carter
40:24
a strong action, it's going to have really profound ramification. I
Corey
40:28
I guarantee you, you are going to see something happen along the lines of this piece of provincial legislation that allows the provincial government to act on
Corey
40:35
on a fear of a federal action right they
Corey
40:40
they are going to argue in court the provincial government that oh no no no you can't actually challenge this because we haven't actually used it yet so they have created for themselves a standard where fear is enough to act but they will you know they will argue vociferously against anybody else using that standard and they will say point me to the actual thing that's gone wrong because
Corey
40:58
of this legislation oh
Carter
41:00
oh that would be really interesting it's gonna happen i
Corey
41:02
i mean that's not even like a flyer i guarantee you that's if that hasn't already already happened, I'll be surprised because somebody will very quickly say, you can't do this.
Carter
41:12
But what if they just say they're going to?
Carter
41:15
What if they say, we are already lining up our lawyers, you're reducing us from six months to 30 days. So we are lining up our lawyers. So we are going to be ready anytime you act against us. Anytime you act to step forth rules or regulations that we don't want to, even if
Carter
41:31
if we want to follow them, this is the wrong time, the wrong way, the wrong reason of doing it. And we're going to take you to court.
Carter
41:39
What if the municipal politicians band together and make that type of statement? That feels to me like this is a Sohi Gondek opportunity to really define themselves as different in kind of the same way that
Carter
41:55
Mandel and Nenshi did in 2012 when Danielle Smith put her foot into the lake of fire. Well,
Corey
42:03
Well, you know, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. And if the
Corey
42:07
the province wants to be a partner in Confederation, you can argue that the municipal government should have that opportunity too.
Carter
42:14
Oh, this is fun. This is good times. I'm loving this. So there we have Indigenous reaction, federal reaction, municipal reaction.
Corey
42:26
why one of our three is not here, we've still got to talk to. oh
Carter
42:32
think we should i
Corey
42:35
think it would be very funny if we didn't talk about it after here's
Carter
42:38
here's what we're gonna do yeah
Carter
42:40
here's what we're gonna do out
Carter
42:41
three we're not gonna tell him we're
Carter
42:42
we're not gonna tell him he
Carter
42:43
he doesn't listen right
Carter
42:45
right like we know for a fact that he doesn't listen to it when it's a great point yeah
Carter
42:50
right so why don't we just talk about it and
Carter
42:53
and then we tell him because we're recording again tomorrow night right that's
Corey
42:56
that's true and we just
Carter
42:57
just tell him we tell him we didn't talk about it
Corey
42:59
yeah he'll never know
Carter
43:01
you know that our listeners aren't going to fuck us right
Corey
43:04
oh it sounds like them yeah yeah
Corey
43:06
yeah they're in the tent yeah
Carter
43:08
yeah so let's do this we're going to have a conversation about the the mother-in-law of the vice son the vice regal the
Corey
43:17
the vice son to the vice regal the mother-in-law to the vice son of the vice regal Yeah.
Carter
43:22
Yeah. So here's where we're going to go with.
Carter
43:24
You and I talked about this before.
Carter
43:27
Does she have the opportunity just to walk away from this piece of, you know, to not sign this piece of legislation and
Carter
43:32
and say that in her opinion, it
Carter
43:40
Is that the way to do it? Is that the way she would go after this?
Corey
43:45
There's versions of this. She can say, we're assessing its constitutionality. We have history in this province of saying, we're
Corey
43:53
we're going to take some time and assess this. That
Corey
43:56
That was of course, the source of a constitutional scandal in the thirties here in Alberta.
Corey
44:01
So that's a possibility. What we talked about, the federal government may be using the reservation power and holding off on it is something she
Corey
44:09
she could do a version of. She could say- She doesn't have to sign it
Carter
44:12
it right away, right? Let's
Corey
44:13
Let's wait for an election. I think what you've brought forward is very,
Corey
44:18
very, very interesting. But it's going to take us some time to work through the constitutional elements. It's a bit of a novel bill to begin with.
Corey
44:25
And you don't even need to necessarily say it's about the election, you can say. So we're currently anticipating to have that review done June.
Carter
44:34
you know, we're busy right now. We've got to go out and, and, uh, congratulate and congratulate all the people that we congratulate for all those, uh, medals
Carter
44:42
medals that they're being handed out like, uh, candy.
Corey
44:45
Oh, and now that I think about it, uh, June, a lot of high school graduations in June that I'll be at. High school,
Carter
44:50
but July and August. July
Corey
44:52
July and August look good. They look good right now. Right now. Yeah. They look good. For,
Carter
44:56
for this moment. Like, what do you think of that? Like if she can just sit on it and problem
Carter
45:00
problem solves itself, right? Ah,
Corey
45:02
Ah, fuck. Well, I mean, obviously that's a high stakes thing and that brings her in potentially as a target as Justin Trudeau's appointee doing Justin Trudeau's dirty work.
Corey
45:14
it's as simple as the course of action that we were saying would be kind of fun to see the Trudeau government do, which is like no sweat. Like, okay, yeah, interesting
Corey
45:22
interesting bill, complicated bill. We're going to look at it, you know, and we anticipate everything will be fine, of course, but we'll get back to you once we've had our full review. view it should be done june
Corey
45:32
june july august september somewhere around there
Carter
45:37
mean what is she constitutionally bound to do uh
Corey
45:42
we are in some uncharted territories here right
Carter
45:45
because there is no constitutional requirement necessarily that she does anything except the
Carter
45:50
the bill doesn't become law until such time as she's so
Corey
45:52
so let's fucking get back to a point i made earlier Earlier, the Daniel Smith government has just said that their view of the constitution is what is written, what
Corey
46:01
what is written, which by the way, the written constitution doesn't even include, I think it includes in one place, the name, like the title prime minister, you know, our unwritten constitution is pretty fucking important in this country, but
Corey
46:12
but you know what it does have,
Corey
46:14
does have an awful lot about the governor general and the lieutenant governor and the
Corey
46:18
the powers that those offices hold.
Carter
46:22
I mean, frankly, nothing becomes law until such time as it's signed by the Queen's representative.
Carter
46:33
don't believe that there is anything necessarily written in law that says that she has to sign it. No,
Corey
46:38
No, there's 100% not. There's nothing that would fetter the LG's power like that.
Corey
46:42
I will say that the precedent has certainly expanded over time that you listen to the elected government. You do what the elected government tells you to do.
Corey
46:53
again, this is a country that works when people decide they want it to work and they collaborate and they move together and they find consensus and they find things that work for
Corey
47:02
for the greater good.
Corey
47:04
And if that's breaking down, I
Corey
47:07
I don't know. I mean, and I don't even mean if that's breaking down, then the lieutenant governor should be allowed to break
Corey
47:13
break it down too. But maybe
Corey
47:14
maybe can I throw a philosophical question out there? And I actually don't know the answer to it. philosophy because
Corey
47:19
because at the end of the day you know me i would abolish the monarchy overnight so it would be dare you sir it
Corey
47:24
it rich for me to
Corey
47:26
to be saying please save us monarchy right
Carter
47:30
well they shouldn't be saving what
Corey
47:31
the fuck is the point of these positions if they are entirely ceremonial like can can we make a deal that we either drop them or they're they do at least one thing because try to create a situation where you would allow these powers to be used
Carter
47:48
now you're just pissing me off because i like the monarchy i think that the ceremonial nature that reminds us that within a kingdom democracy still can thrive that
Carter
47:58
that we can still have a functioning democracy within uh something that by
Carter
48:05
by its nature is autocratic we can have a functioning democracy within that i like this particular symbolism it shows that we can accomplish things within this
Carter
48:24
I'm not sure I want this appointed person to
Carter
48:28
take this type of action. I think that in this particular case, we would think that she's on the side of us, right? She's on the side of the angels. But the same question that you said is if you know if if another government did this would you want them to do this if if if a different philosophical uh stance was taken by a uh an lg that that uh didn't respect the or didn't reflect the values that you and i have we sure as hell wouldn't want to see an lg standing up and saying this isn't right and we're not going to allow it i mean that would be completely counter to our idea of what what
Carter
49:07
is lawful and right so
Corey
49:10
so i agree actually listen i'm just gonna put my cards on the table i think you have to listen to the elected government we have the system we have and that's what it is but the
Corey
49:19
the lg's job is to look at whether the government has the confidence of the house and you could say maybe that's the end of the job right
Corey
49:26
right but there have been situations in the past where they've gone further and they've said does this respect my understanding of the overall constitutional framework. Maybe this needs to go to the courts for interpretation before I'm willing to sign off on it.
Corey
49:39
It's happened in the past, right?
Corey
49:42
The question I throw to you is, is
Corey
49:45
is this not a pretty obvious situation where you would want to have that if that power still exists? Or are we just saying that power does not exist anymore?
Corey
49:57
So when does it get used? The
Carter
50:03
When does it get used is an unbelievably complicated question. Because
Carter
50:07
Because we've had it answered in the 1930s when the Socrats came into government and
Carter
50:12
they did some patently
Carter
50:16
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Carter
50:54
Okay. Okay. Now that promo is done.
Carter
50:58
forgot where I was going.
Corey
50:59
Well, we were talking about when do you ever use these powers? I
Carter
51:03
think you have to use them when something seems to be beyond the rule of law. And in this case, the only element that I think is beyond the rule of law is
Carter
51:13
is the rewriting of laws without the input of the legislature in a formal legal setting. So if you rewrote this piece of legislation legislation that required the legislature to pass the legislation first, so
Carter
51:28
so the legislative process is respected, then
Carter
51:31
then I think that this law remains constitutional.
Corey
51:34
That might be the case. The funny thing is we were all looking for the unconstitutionality to come from somewhere
Corey
51:40
somewhere else, but it seems to have been in the actual construction of the remedies that the government is creating for itself.
Corey
51:46
I think that's the
Carter
51:47
the single problem, the most troubling troubling element.
Corey
51:50
Well, and I, I wouldn't be shocked if the government does change it at some point. Um, I
Corey
51:55
I want to throw one more thing at you though, here about the LG thing. I want you to squirm a little bit more about the LG thing. Oh,
Corey
52:00
Oh, just a little bit more.
Carter
52:02
It's been a lot of fun though. Just a little bit.
Carter
52:05
Yeah, she is. She's great. Yeah. I'm just pointing that out when we're, we're not going to be invited back.
Corey
52:10
To Zane's next wedding?
Carter
52:12
Zane's next wedding, we're not going to be welcome at. That's
Corey
52:17
The confidence of the house. If the LG is not convinced you have the confidence of the house, or if you've lost a vote of the confidence of the house, what's the remedy the LG has?
Carter
52:26
To allow someone else to form a government or to call an immediate election.
Corey
52:32
So at the core of that second one, calling the election- This is
Carter
52:36
is grade seven social studies, by the way. What
Corey
52:38
What the hell was that?
Corey
52:39
doing okay. At the core of that second one is
Corey
52:42
is the idea that at the end of the day, it's not the lg's call right
Corey
52:48
at the core of it the lg's role yeah
Carter
52:54
that's interesting but does that mean then when the lg's has as unpopular legislation from an unpopular government that hasn't lost hasn't lost the confidence of the house um
Carter
53:05
um but may have lost like what's the what's the what's
Carter
53:09
what's the magic figure like right now the magic the magic words or the magic element is you've lost the confidence of the house um
Carter
53:16
um with that with is there some other metric that we replace that with um to enable the
Carter
53:23
the lg to say i think that this needs to be uh
Carter
53:27
uh taken directly to the people because you can't just use the standard
Corey
53:31
standard i have it which is like this
Corey
53:33
this isn't i mean maybe you find maybe these are exactly the words because because it is kind of like a pompous and regal thing, but you
Corey
53:40
you are doing something not considered by the current constitutional order. So I need your bosses to sign off on this. I need the voters to sign off on this.
Carter
53:50
That's good. I like that.
Carter
53:52
I like that, an earlier election.
Carter
53:54
And the NDP could actually campaign on that. We haven't talked at all about what the NDP should be doing for this, but
Carter
53:59
but the NDP could say, this is something that we need to go to an election on. This is foundational
Carter
54:05
foundational and different outside of any mandate. Not that mandate matters. Mandate doesn't matter in our electoral system. There is no mandate other than the fact that you hold the confidence of the House.
Carter
54:20
But the NDP could make a pretty strong case, just
Carter
54:23
just go to the electorate. If
Carter
54:24
If they want it, they'll
Carter
54:26
they'll vote you back in.
Carter
54:28
What are you afraid of? What
Carter
54:29
What are you afraid of?
Corey
54:31
Well, look, you're a premier, not a potentate. You're creating this power for yourself that
Corey
54:35
that is permissive beyond
Carter
54:39
Oh, and that's what really gets me about this legislation. This legislation is more of a dictator than it is because it's even throwing the cabinet. And we've talked how many times about how the power of the cabinet has been weakened by and the individual first minister's office has become far too powerful in our system. And now we're skipping over the legislature completely. It's an enormous overreach with extremely dire consequences. I think that people are hearing that from us. I
Corey
55:11
I think that's actually a really good point we have not made explicitly here, which is that if people think ministers are going to be guardrails, I've said it before, I will say it again, there
Corey
55:21
there are not votes at cabinet, people, right?
Corey
55:23
right? The premier reads the room and determines what the room's consensus was. And that's it. That's what the job is. And by the way, even
Corey
55:33
even if there were votes in cabinet, she gets to pick who's in cabinet. So that wouldn't even provide much of a guardrail.
Corey
55:39
Yeah. Have you voted against that
Carter
55:40
that piece? you're out of cabinet. Yeah,
Corey
55:41
Yeah, the dark rail is the legislature.
Corey
55:44
Weak though it may seem sometimes, we have multiple
Corey
55:47
multiple readings, we have committees, we have the opportunity for public input, we have robust debate about specifics of language. All of that is being lost at this particular moment.
Carter
55:58
Yeah. And I mean,
Carter
56:01
mean, it's such an absolute
Carter
56:05
absolute overreach. It is just something that I cannot believe. I mean, I was actually I mean, this is whiplash for us, because last week we were saying that she that she was moderating, that this was a that she was taking steps that would make her more palatable to the general population. And instead, she has just given us whiplash by going in a completely different direction than we had anticipated when she renamed her Sovereignty Act. The renaming was completely a waste of PR effort, because ultimately, she's come down on the side of just doing
Carter
56:41
doing away, frankly, with core elements of our democracy.
Corey
56:47
well that was fun
Corey
56:48
yeah i think we leave it there we're back tomorrow we haven't talked about kenny
Carter
56:55
want to talk about that no
Corey
56:56
no i don't i want to leave it for tomorrow well
Carter
56:58
i mean there's more for tomorrow because we'll be uh inundated with hundreds of questions from our loyal subscribers yeah
Carter
57:07
that are bound to ask us for clarification um please
Carter
57:11
please keep in mind that my twitter feed is going crazy with trolls so if you could mention uh cory instead of me that'd be very helpful um cory
Carter
57:21
cory how's the board doing today do we have it out or are we just gonna have to just say and thanks um
Corey
57:26
um well we can try it well
Carter
57:28
well we just cut it there like and thanks and then we just cut it like
Carter
57:32
like you don't have to like
Carter
57:34
like we'll be just done oh
Corey
57:40
no i actually i i like your idea of just cutting it there yeah