Transcript
Corey
0:00
So this is the part where you hit the intro music?
Carter
0:04
No, I don't have the intro.
Carter
0:05
You've got the studio.
Carter
0:07
don't have the studio today.
Corey
0:14
don't have the use. Now you're talking over the intro music. Oh,
Carter
0:18
can we go back?
Corey
0:20
No, we can't go back. Just got to go on.
Corey
0:26
How's everybody doing out there? There.
Corey
0:28
We don't normally talk to the audience like that either. Yeah.
Carter
0:31
Call. The lines are open now. What is your number? That'd be fantastic.
Corey
0:38
So folks, what you're hearing is usually you got to pay money for this. This is Stephen and Carter present.
Corey
0:46
Stephen and Corey? No,
Carter
0:47
No, Corey and Hogan.
Corey
0:49
Anyways, it's the two of us and it's not Zane. And this is sometimes something we do when Zane's not available.
Corey
0:54
There has been at least one occasion where I wasn't available too. Stephen Kevin, always available. Amazing that way. We've always really appreciated that about you.
Carter
1:02
No life, nowhere to
Corey
1:04
But we should say right off the bat, the reason why it's the only the two of us here on the main, we've never had this on the main feed, is because actually it was a very sad event that happened in Zane's family. His father, Nisar Velji, died last week. And so Zane is taking, understandably, a beat before he joins us again here.
Corey
1:25
We're going to miss him. He was a number one fan always showed up at all of our stuff somehow liked steven which the best yeah
Corey
1:33
does call into question a lot of things his taste
Corey
1:39
um but yeah um heart goes out to zane zane's family yeah
Carter
1:44
yeah a really special relationship between zane and his family and his parents uh it
Carter
1:49
it was fun to watch we were lucky enough to see him get got married was that five years ago now unbelievably yeah
Corey
1:54
yeah it was and the
Carter
1:57
camaraderie in the family was spectacular and i
Carter
2:01
remember them making fun of you mostly um as the event progressed
Corey
2:06
really kind of outrageous but um also understandable my daughter was at uh zane's wedding and just got covered in chocolate it was very very hot day and just looked
Corey
2:17
looked like she was was like plumbing in a sewer by the end of it all it was pretty cool
Corey
2:22
anyways that's not really the point of any of that um what's
Corey
2:26
what's that what do you want to talk about well
Carter
2:28
well i just want to say we miss zane and uh we wish no
Carter
2:32
think that was the whole show i
Carter
2:33
i don't have anything else i
Corey
2:36
put some stuff together here should
Corey
2:38
should we should we just stick should
Carter
2:39
should we should we just jump right into quebec goes to the polls and it's all over why bother doing an election uh
Corey
2:45
uh sure do you want to talk about the quebec election do you do you know anything about the Quebec election? I guess that's the first thing I'll ask. I've been following
Carter
2:50
following the polls and
Carter
2:52
and I've been following some of the... Well, you know more than I do. So why don't you set up the French election? Because you can read French and you can speak French.
Carter
3:00
this segment in French.
Corey
3:01
I really don't think we should. I don't. No.
Corey
3:07
Well, listen, I always think Quebec elections are interesting. They're my favorite elections to watch absent my own provinces, because of course you're always invested in your own provinces. But I love Quebec elections. I really do. Because they follow a different beat than elections in the rest of Canada, usually. And there's a few things about Quebec elections that are second to none. The aesthetics of Quebec elections are amazing. The
Corey
3:32
The design work is incredible. The ads are legitimately good advertisements. And I think part of that comes from Quebec having more of a cultural scene. And you imagine when you're buying an ad on any of the Quebec television stations. There's going to have to be creative shops in Quebec that are producing that. That's not so much true here in Alberta, for example. You're probably going a bit further afield. Anglo Canadians, we tend to rely a lot on the product that comes out of the United States. Really top shelf stuff, really amusing ads, both in the lead up and during the election. And also their election signs are different. Their whole aesthetic, their whole vibe is pretty cool.
Corey
4:11
And I think it's one of those things as practitioners of elections, It's interesting to see what
Corey
4:15
what they do that we could kind of pull into it. And so I sort of recommend anybody follow
Corey
4:20
follow a Quebec election. I
Carter
4:21
I also think it's more professional. I think that we rely a lot on amateurs in Western Canada, especially, even in Ontario. But in Quebec, there's a history of professional political representatives, and they do better work. They understand
Carter
4:40
the value of certain tactics and what they're doing, and
Carter
4:44
and they put money into those tactics. Those posters that you're referring, if anybody hasn't seen the
Carter
4:49
the images of the posters that are up throughout
Carter
4:52
throughout Quebec, and they went up the day after the
Carter
4:55
the election was called. And they
Carter
4:57
they go on lampposts. They go in different locations than we put them.
Carter
5:02
But they are gorgeous, gorgeous ads. They jump
Carter
5:05
jump out at you. You can see them.
Carter
5:08
They've got a professional quality. I know that I'm working in Surrey right now. And the opposition signs came out this week. They're fucking horrible. Like they are some of the worst signs.
Corey
5:21
mean, you're not an unbiased advisor. Tell you what, Corey. People can
Carter
5:26
up Surrey Connect. You look up Surrey Connect and look for their signs online and then compare them to any Quebec political party. Don't compare them to the group I'm running. Instead, look at any Quebec party and tell me which is better. You can put that on the Twitter feed right now or in the – do we have comments on these things? Are we broadcasting
Corey
5:48
broadcasting live? Is there like the YouTube thing? If you're a patron at $10 a month, you can do
Carter
5:54
Yeah, you can watch this thing live, watch this shit show unfold in
Carter
5:58
in real time. It's spectacular.
Corey
6:00
spectacular. Who wouldn't want to do that? For only $10
Carter
6:02
$10 a month, it's pretty spectacular.
Corey
6:04
Yeah, well, look, I mean, it's obviously something that matters a little bit more in Quebec. I'll tell you, almost any campaign I've seen outside of Quebec would be laughed out of the field if they looked as unpolished and unprofessional relative to the Quebec alternatives here. I mean, you look at the logos of their major parties, four
Corey
6:23
four of the five best logos in the country. Not that logos matter at all, but you can tell they invest in that. They think about these things. They do these things. But it's not just the aesthetics that I get kind of captured by the Quebec election. I should say, I'm not even sure it would necessarily work in
Corey
6:38
in the rest of Canada because it would be seen as putting too much money, a little too polished, all of that. But
Corey
6:43
But the other reason to really pay attention to the Quebec election is the narratives there are
Corey
6:49
different than the narratives in the rest of Canada. And we talk
Corey
6:57
it's not just a language barrier. I think it's an interest barrier. People just don't pay enough attention to it. It's very easy to see what's going on in the Quebec election. But the things that are issues in Quebec, I
Corey
7:07
I think it's important for us as Canadians to just sort of inform ourselves on them. and the way people talk about them, and these parallel tracks that I think would shock a lot of English Canadians, because there are assumptions built into the way Quebec goes through an election and the way its leaders talk about Quebec's
Corey
7:23
Quebec's place in Canada that I don't think align with when I have conversations with people outside of Quebec, how they see Quebec.
Corey
7:30
I'll give you a perfect example from today.
Corey
7:34
the campaign hustings, they're talking about immigration, and a lot of of people will know that Quebec works with the federal government and sets its own immigration quotas, a little bit different from the rest of Canada.
Corey
7:45
And currently, I think it's 50,000. And the Parti Quebecois wants to make that less, about 30,000, I think. And the Liberals want to make that about 70,000. And they announced some things about getting immigrants who don't have as much French language capacities into rural Quebec, like outside of the major cities and ways that they can support them. So interesting enough that that's an argument and a conversation. I don't think that's super shocking to people outside of Quebec, that that would be part of the conversation. But one of the threads there is Legault, who's at the 50,000, says, oh, we just keep it at 50,000. We don't want to expand it, knowing
Corey
8:21
knowing that Canada-wide, we are really increasing the amount of immigrants that come in. Conversation came up, well, won't that mean relatively Quebec has fewer people than the rest of Canada?
Corey
8:32
For a long time, Quebec was a quarter of the population that slid south of that. You may have caught some threads about the distribution of seats and Quebec getting more seats and why would they get more seats with
Corey
8:44
with population? Well, Legault's answer was effectively, yeah, but I think because we're a nation, as everyone sort of decided, you remember all of the federal parties saying that, I think generally people will agree our distinct situation means we should always have a quarter of the seats in Canada. And he just kind of moved on with it. How
Corey
9:02
How many Canadians outside of Quebec would agree with that observation? I mean, that feels fundamentally offside of my view of what
Corey
9:10
what a democracy in Canada should be.
Corey
9:15
these things collapse into our federal politics all of the time. Whenever we do a seat redistribution, when we talk about things like Quebec being a nation, I just think more Canadians should be watching narratives that go on in Quebec, inform themselves of them. because otherwise we just, it's like, we're talking two different languages when these things become issues at the national scene.
Carter
9:36
Well, quite literally. But yeah, I mean, this is the challenge because,
Carter
9:40
you know, it used to be that you could kind of get away with saying one thing in Quebec and another thing in Alberta and another thing in Saskatchewan, no one would know. But today's world, you
Carter
9:48
you know, the media is such that everybody, you know, no one has their own local reporters to throw into these elections. They're getting national feeds. Those national feeds are picking up what's going on in Quebec and kind
Carter
10:00
kind of throwing it all together for us. And so we're seeing Quebec politics as national politics in the same fashion that we're seeing Alberta politics become national politics,
Carter
10:10
or British Columbia politics become national
Carter
10:13
It's not necessarily a bad thing. It is just something
Carter
10:16
something that we should be aware of. And the ignorance that is presented, because
Carter
10:23
because I don't want it to be that way, right? right? I don't want Quebec to have a quarter of the seats.
Carter
10:29
Well, just because you don't want them to have quarter seats isn't going to change the fact that this
Carter
10:33
this has basically been decided now.
Carter
10:35
This is not something that we're
Carter
10:37
we're really going back and having a big conversation in our society about whether or not Quebec
Carter
10:41
Quebec is over-served by our system.
Carter
10:46
mean, we already know that Prince Edward Island is. I mean, if anybody wants to get upset about there being a province that has too too many seats for its population.
Corey
10:56
as the worst. It has four seats
Carter
10:57
seats and roughly 200,000 people. That's twice
Carter
11:01
as many seats as they deserve, but that's the nature of our confederation.
Carter
11:07
we tend to get really angry with Quebec, right? Quebec gets so much of our equalization funding. Well, not really. Not when you compare them to Manitoba. Not when When you compare them to, again, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick,
Carter
11:24
Quebec gets less per capita than any of those provinces, but
Carter
11:27
but they get more money because they happen to have a much larger population. But
Carter
11:33
right? We choose not to know these things because it doesn't fit our narrative. And I think in Alberta, we've been especially bad because Ralph
Carter
11:41
Ralph Klein started our narrative of poor Alberta, and we've jumped right on it.
Corey
11:46
Well, look, I mean, I think ignorant is technically the right word. but it has this kind of charge to it.
Corey
11:52
We don't fundamentally share common views of how this country is organized, I think is for sure the case. I mean, that's always been sort of the case. But at this point, talk about like a drift in this notion of what is Canada, right? You think about what the Alberta view of that is, think about the Quebec view about that, think about Ontario, think about the Maritimes.
Corey
12:12
This is a big problem. I mean, we talked about this in a different context months ago, but one of the most important things you need to do in a meeting at
Corey
12:20
at work is when you think that people are just sort of avoiding the hard question to get out of it and not have that difficult conversation in the meeting is force that difficult conversation because all you're doing otherwise is kicking it down the field and making it worse. I think our federal politicians do a lot of this kicking it down the field, not having the hard conversation thing, not
Corey
12:41
not really talking to Canadians about, okay, okay, well, are we going to say Quebec always has a quarter of the seats? I mean, nobody really
Corey
12:48
really wants to have that conversation because it's awkward no matter where you land on it. So, you
Corey
12:53
you know, just things
Corey
12:54
things to watch, good election to watch. You'll see some nice designs. You'll see some different issues. And ultimately, I think it strengthens the country if we care about what goes on in other provinces.
Carter
13:05
Yeah, I think so. And, you
Carter
13:08
know, I think that it's not just Quebec that we're kicking the tire down the road on, right? I think that we have a significant
Carter
13:13
significant issue with First Nations.
Carter
13:18
Lord knows everybody's thinking right now of the massacre that's just occurred in
Carter
13:23
Saskatchewan and the issues that are surrounding that. We don't
Carter
13:27
have any information at this stage that would certainly enable us to be thoughtful
Carter
13:31
thoughtful commentators, except to say that we
Carter
13:34
we continue to have significant issues. And as
Carter
13:37
as long as we continue to push them down the road, we're not going to find any solutions.
Carter
13:43
I hope it doesn't take crisis to get us there, but our, our,
Carter
13:48
our history has been, it has been that it takes crisis to get us to the
Carter
13:52
the place where we start solving anything.
Corey
13:53
Yeah. We got super bad attention spans. And, uh, on that note, uh, I want to change the topic because, you know. Oh,
Carter
14:00
Oh, well, we just did. How many minutes on that? I
Carter
14:03
like that was 10 minutes on Quebec.
Corey
14:05
Quebec. That's pretty good. That
Corey
14:06
That feels like a lot. Zane would have made it 25. I just want you to know.
Carter
14:10
Yeah. Zane would have taken us.
Corey
14:11
us. I hold that against you.
Corey
14:13
Yeah, he'd say, interesting, expand on that. He would throw in some sort of random thing. It would probably be good, but... No,
Carter
14:20
No, it would be a better show. Let's be clear. Yeah, you
Corey
14:21
you get what you get here.
Corey
14:23
So listen, almost from the opposite of that one view of Canada in Quebec, and maybe not diametrically opposed, but just very different to back
Corey
14:32
back here in Alberta and the Alberta Sovereignty Act, Daniel Smith is now saying, so for anyone not paying attention, bless
Corey
14:39
bless you for not paying attention if you aren't, especially if you're
Corey
14:42
you're outside of the province.
Corey
14:46
Because I just hate that people just think about these things when they think about Alberta. But Danielle Smith, when she launched her campaigns, talked about the Alberta Sovereignty Act. It has always been somewhat ill-defined, but certainly the impression that was left in the early days was that this was going to be ways
Corey
15:03
ways that we can reject federal authority. already constitutional scholars lit their hair on fire a lot of people said that's you know downright illegal it's basically sedition what in the world are you doing this this is how the country works um and i argued i think last kind of patreon episode that i think she's sort of trying to walk that back and create like a more milquetoast version of this but you know the hits keep coming to her on this at the debate which we can talk about or not that the ucp had last week speak
Corey
15:36
um she didn't look that comfortable his comment in the uh in
Corey
15:40
in the old youtube chat here which is totally right like daniel smith's facial expressions were like disdain disgust and rage is how it's described uh
Corey
15:47
uh by jane stewart who could disagree right and we got to see them by the way all the time because she was right there behind on the camera whenever somebody was like at the lectern there um
Corey
15:57
um but i guess one of the things that occurred was she took heat although not not necessarily as much volume of time. And
Corey
16:06
And she is basically committed at this point that she's going to release the language of the Alberta Sovereignty Act, I
Corey
16:14
That's exciting, I guess. I don't know.
Carter
16:17
Well, I mean, it's really weird. Most of the time we're able to get away with presenting a policy idea and keeping it very vague. Because the vaguer the idea, the better the policy idea is. When we start getting into the details, it generally gets worse because you have to balance things off. You have to pay for things. You have to make decisions that are actually quite hard.
Carter
16:37
When you're in the midst of, you
Carter
16:38
you know, just saying it in the world of politics, you get to say things very vaguely. You get to say, this is what we're going to do. And it's going to be implemented very easily. You know, oftentimes that's not the case. Oftentimes we wind
Carter
16:52
wind up kind of bottled up in that. And I think that this is where Danielle Smith has really tried to create a problem problem, or where she has created a problem for herself, because
Carter
17:02
because she has said, essentially, we can do the Alberta Sovereignty Act because look at everything that Quebec gets away with.
Carter
17:09
Well, hang on here, because
Carter
17:11
because Quebec doesn't get away with anything that hasn't been negotiated with the federal government and isn't actually something that is legal.
Carter
17:19
They don't simply ignore the immigration laws. They have, in fact, negotiated how many immigrants they get to to bring in. They have negotiated that they will collect income tax. They have negotiated certain things that are their own privilege because they have decided to take that privilege from
Corey
17:36
Not 100% correct. So there are things like pensions, which actually the constitution says are provincial responsibilities. And
Corey
17:44
And so, yeah, I mean, you could create an Alberta pension plan if you wanted to. Sure.
Corey
17:48
Sure you could. You could absolutely collect your own income taxes. Don't know why you'd want to bother. In Quebec, you basically just have to fill out forms twice. That's not very fun. I know the software does it all for us these days, but it's still pretty stupid and it's pretty expensive because the provincial government has to run it too. Quebec has been trying to negotiate that they can collect federal taxes as well.
Corey
18:08
The federal government's basically said, good fucking luck with that. Why in the world would we let you do that? And Alberta seems to think because Quebec has mused about it and been told no, that this should be Alberta's right too. All
Corey
18:20
All very strange things. But this is the fundamental difference? People hand wave and they're like, oh, Quebec does this. Oh, BC doesn't do the drug law stuff. Now, to your point, Stephen, BC negotiated with the federal government to approach federal drug laws a little bit different.
Corey
18:37
What the Alberta Sovereignty Act has, what's been implied about it is we are going to have police officers in Alberta refusing to enforce federal law. We are going to essentially stop working with the federal government if we We don't like what they're doing. Just essentially try to nullify federal jurisdiction because the officers and the infrastructure and the apparatus and the courts and a lot of that runs through the provincial government. No province is doing that right now. All
Corey
19:04
All super fucking illegal and deeply unconstitutional. And yet this seems to be a power or it's been implied that this is what the Alberta Sovereignty Act will be. Now, tomorrow,
Corey
19:16
who knows? And so to your point, Daniel Smith has been kind of pushed off of the vagaries and now is going to be giving us some specific language on what this act is going to be interesting because either it's not going to mollify the constitutional scholars and the lawyers who say, well, this is illegal and will be shut down by the courts in seconds, or it's going to disappoint her hardcore supporters like threading the needle to not one of those two outcomes seems almost impossible to me. Yeah,
Carter
19:44
Yeah, I think it is impossible. And I think that it's also going to be impossible because the myths that exist about Quebec, the
Carter
19:50
the myths that exist around
Carter
19:52
around equalization, right? We pay into equalization, says every Albertan ever. Okay, show me the check.
Carter
20:02
Show me where we actually paid into equalization because I paid into it and you paid into it because
Carter
20:07
because we'd make more money than the average person in Quebec, right?
Carter
20:10
right? If you want to have equalization come to Alberta, it's not a problem. All we have to do is wait for the oil and gas world to change. We already saw that a couple of years ago during the pandemic. If you don't want to be paying into this or to be giving money away, just
Corey
20:29
just wait for your economy
Carter
20:29
economy to bust. Because that's what happened in Quebec. back. You've pointed out on Twitter a bunch of times, Corey, how major industry, the banks specifically, took
Carter
20:40
took the uncertainty that existed with the sovereignty
Carter
20:43
sovereignty movement in Quebec and used that as a reason and rationale to get the fuck out of town. There's
Carter
20:49
all kinds of reasons to get out of Calgary and Edmonton right now.
Carter
20:52
All kinds of reasons to come and stay in Calgary and Edmonton right now as well. But if you start messing around with independence and sovereignty, We will lose more than we get. We will lose more than come.
Corey
21:06
That is just an absolute certainty. I repeat this every time I get the chance, because I think it's just something every Albertan needs to get into our brains and think about as we start flirting with some of these ideas.
Corey
21:17
Two things you really have to keep in mind. One, corporate taxes were actually lower in Quebec than Ontario when all of the banks decided to go to Ontario. So when we talk about that Alberta advantage and having the lowest corporate taxes, not going to matter if everybody's worried you might have one foot out of the door.
Corey
21:34
Two, Montreal is to this day a much cooler city than Toronto. And yet people made the decision they were going to go to Toronto because of that uncertainty and that hostility towards minority rights and this view that seemed very narrow all of a sudden. And listen, I'm not shitting on Quebec. Quebec's a fascinating province. See earlier comments about you should follow their provincial election. There's deep
Corey
21:57
deep-seated anxieties about being eight and a half million people in a sea of hundreds of millions of English speakers. And you can kind of understand that. You can kind of understand some of the defenses of the French language they've put up. You might not agree with them. Certainly, I have serious, serious issues with the way they've approached religious minorities in Quebec. back i'm i'm downright you
Corey
22:18
horrified by it but um when
Corey
22:22
when those things when you go kind of to the and we're thinking about leaving that's it like people are not interested in that especially these financial institutions especially big corporations where you
Corey
22:33
you know at the end of the day it comes down to spreadsheets it comes down to what's you know i had a finance professor growth is good and risk is rotten was what he always said right well this is pretty fucking rotten place if If you're going to start throwing around these ideas of, um, uh, of potentially leaving the country or even fundamentally changing your relationship with the country.
Carter
22:54
Yeah. I think that it's, it's ridiculous. And on top of that, I mean, I've never seen, I mean, you
Carter
22:59
you raised, you're raising children. I'm raising children.
Carter
23:02
The first thing you're
Corey
23:02
you're trying to do. Your children are raised my friend. They're done.
Corey
23:06
don't know. They still come
Carter
23:06
come around for money. I don't understand it.
Carter
23:10
I I've made mistakes. I will concede that point, but here's the thing. thing. The thing
Carter
23:15
thing that we all try and avoid doing is raising spoiled brats.
Carter
23:19
And we are the spoiled brats in this story.
Carter
23:22
We are the ones who come across like the
Carter
23:24
the children that just expect more because
Carter
23:27
because of our nature and our upbringing. We deserve more because we're Alberta. And
Carter
23:32
And there's just no evidence that that is true. There's no evidence that any province or anybody isn't working as hard as we are.
Carter
23:41
It's just, we happen to be blessed to be born on a windfall
Carter
23:46
and a windfall of oil, frankly, ladies and gentlemen, that isn't going to be there much longer.
Carter
23:52
lots of oil, but it's not going to be used the same way.
Corey
23:54
So let's pick up on that randomness point here, because of course, on September 1st, it was
Corey
24:01
We all love Alberta Day. It is the most important holiday on the calendar. Not
Corey
24:05
a stat, didn't exist two months ago. Set those things aside for a minute. One of the things I was thinking about on
Corey
24:12
on Alberta Day, a day when we obviously do deep dives into the history of our province, you know, the rich tapestry that is Alberta. Yeah, obviously.
Corey
24:24
There was, you know, a bunch of different ways they could have split up the prairies, Alberta and Saskatchewan, going into the east or the western side of Manitoba. And one of the ideas was they would create, instead
Corey
24:35
instead of provinces that go north-south,
Corey
24:38
east-west. So there'd be one province and
Corey
24:41
then another province stacked on top. And you could imagine if they had gone with that, that's the province where all of the oil and gas would be.
Corey
24:48
I kind of think like that was just Laurier's idea. He had a whim and all of a sudden the provinces are going north-south. But there is a parallel universe where Calgary doesn't have any of
Corey
24:59
that oil and gas revenue.
Corey
25:00
None of that oil and gas revenue. And then how do we think about these things? I mean, like we pat ourselves on the back. We throw our arms out doing it because of borders. borders and the constitution and where it puts resource revenue. And that's almost my second point.
Corey
25:14
There could be a universe where the resource revenue stayed federally, right?
Corey
25:18
right? God, I think this would be a better country for it. I kind of wish it had happened.
Corey
25:23
these things are not because of clever management or planning. These are accidents of history that have landed our asses in butter. And I don't think that Albertans should be looked down upon. And I do think that the rest of the country can be pretty quick to hand wave away some of the things that Alberta does. But it is an economic engine of this country. But let's
Corey
25:50
let's not pretend that's because of our unique unalloyed brilliance. I think that's a bit much.
Corey
25:59
I know that's not a very Alberta Day thought.
Carter
26:02
and I would have been kicked out of the Alberta Day celebrations, but we've been kicked out of better places for less. Let me ask you this, Corey.
Carter
26:11
Danielle's politics, Dan, of using this issue, using
Carter
26:17
woe is me Alberta plight as
Carter
26:20
as the primary issue for her election campaign? Does it have legs? Is it something that we
Carter
26:25
we should be applauding her for, for at least recognizing a winning strategy?
Corey
26:33
mean, that depends on your timeframe, right?
Corey
26:35
we we talk about this a lot in the context of leaderships is you got to win the leadership before you can go to a general you got to win the general before you can govern and there's kind of this stepwise thing and you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself and
Corey
26:46
and look if i want to be charitable she has observed that there is this thing these myths plus these legitimate grievances sprinkled in although i think that myth
Corey
26:56
myth outweighs it eight eight to two oh
Corey
26:58
yeah kind of situation and
Corey
27:00
and has said i can make a winning coalition out of that she's going out out there and she's trying and she's doing these things and remains to be seen whether it'll work
Corey
27:08
some suggestion it very well could but
Corey
27:11
yeah i mean it's
Corey
27:13
it's not the craziest strategy to try to win but like let's broaden our time frame a bit this stuff okay
Corey
27:20
okay i said this last episode but it was like a patreon one so let me say it for the whole world here this this is not mainstream shit in alberta like if you're watching this and you're in ontario you're in quebec you're in bc and you're saying, what the fuck is Alberta doing? We're not. We're not. This is towards a very small group of Albertans. Ultimately, what, 120,000 people have bought memberships in the UCP? Yeah.
Corey
27:45
Out of a province of four and a half million.
Corey
27:47
So this is not the majority of Albertans. And in fact, in all of the recent polls, as has been the case for most of the last couple of years, the NDP are leading. This is not popular opinions here. And so broaden that horizon and start Start talking about a general election. Hell, start talking about the day after you win when half your caucus might have problems with you because they think this is an illegal approach, right?
Corey
28:11
Well, on that horizon, this might be very bad strategy. This might have painted her entirely into a corner and destined the Danielle Smith premiership to early death. That's
Corey
28:22
That's very possible because you have taken things that are not even mainstream in your caucus. caucus you know maybe you get your party on board but your caucus doesn't like it a couple of them might bolt right away all of a sudden you've got this right-wing rump you've got to decide either to do the last six months of your term with uh you know a new right-wing party in the legislature giving you the gears the entire time or call a snap election neither seems like a particularly good idea because we're all going to have that terrible taste of this ucp election where there's this crazy bidding war of who can say the most stridently conservative things the most extreme things.
Corey
29:00
You're going to get crushed in that election if you go forward. The NDP are already leading the polls. And if you go into it in that context, you're in a lot of trouble.
Corey
29:08
You end up in the spring in the same boat, and now there's a right-wing alternative that's taking 15% of the vote. You're probably going to get crushed there too. I mean, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. And fundamentally, you are damned because of this very short-sighted strategy that you took.
Corey
29:23
Not saying it's impossible, by the way, for her to not just win all of these these things but she is really raising the difficulty level for herself going forward and
Carter
29:31
she has a history of not being able to manage a caucus right like she has
Carter
29:35
to a terrible time with the wild rose caucus now one could argue that that was an unmanageable caucus but let's look at who she's going into i mean if jason kenney yeah
Corey
29:45
yeah i mean this because this caucus is so yeah yeah
Carter
29:48
yeah and and not be able to manage it i mean sainted
Carter
29:51
sainted jason kenney because he was basically the sainted Jason Kenney.
Carter
29:57
He really started with all the advantages and was undone by one issue.
Carter
30:01
And that issue was the pandemic, but also the promise of jobs. Everything's going to return. Everything's going to be fine. I'll tell you something. We're going through a boom right now. We're receiving more revenue in royalties right now than used to exist in the entire entire heritage savings trust fund.
Carter
30:19
The whole trust fund in one year, we've
Corey
30:22
we've got those kind
Carter
30:22
kind of royalties just to give people. Yes. So the streets are in fact paved with gold, except people went to find their own individual gold and there wasn't any.
Carter
30:32
There is no individual gold in this particular boom.
Carter
30:35
boom. So there's a lot of concerned people, people who are taking jobs that they may feel are beneath them, but they have to have them in order to make ends meet. And a lot of other people that want to go back to work doing what they did that have kind of fallen off the employment radar because those jobs don't exist anymore.
Corey
30:56
Well, that's a great point. I mean, this seems to be cash out time for the oil industry. There is this thing in Alberta, we've talked about it in the past called payout, where once you've paid back the capital costs of building your major oil sands project, then you pay a higher rate of royalty, a lot higher. It goes from 1% to 4% to 40%, 30% to 40%. 46% in
Carter
31:17
in most cases. There
Corey
31:18
There you go. It's unreal.
Corey
31:21
It's significantly different. Now, one of them is they're on different denominators, but it doesn't matter. Point being, way more money all of a sudden flooding in the door.
Corey
31:29
And payout has been projected since, I don't know what, the mid 2000s because- Every year.
Corey
31:35
Every year. For sure. 2000. And
Corey
31:37
And what the oil and gas companies have historically done is pushed off payout by creating new capital projects, expanding these things. And
Corey
31:44
And that construction, that's really where the jobs have come from in oil and gas, but they're not doing that anymore. So they've all hit payout. They're all deciding to take these record
Corey
31:53
record windfalls, which is also creating record revenue for the government of Alberta. And
Corey
31:58
And you're not seeing the jobs return in the same way. And so the provincial government having
Corey
32:07
record surpluses, not quite record surpluses, I don't think, but record revenues coming in from natural resources and trailing in the polls. It takes a special amount of something to be losing as a conservative government in Alberta with $13 billion surpluses. Just sit here and process that. You know, your government, which is the natural predisposition of your province, by all accounts, is running over $10 billion surpluses. And you're like, no, fuck it. I'm not feeling that one. That's not working for me. And the majority of people are somewhere else. That's wild. And I think it should, if anything, underline just how precarious the UCP's position has been. But to your original point with Daniel Smith and her actions here and this Alberta Sovereignty Act conversation and this grievance-laden language that I think ultimately was part of the comeuppance of Jason Kenney too, that's
Corey
33:07
that's really tough. All of a sudden, mainstream
Corey
33:10
mainstream Albertans are saying, you might be delivering on the budget, but you're not really delivering anything else for us here. And for the longest time in Alberta, we
Corey
33:20
we confused budget and the economy, right? We were running a surplus. It meant we were in the good times, meant there were jobs. But that seems to have broken in
Corey
33:27
in the past couple of years. Well,
Corey
33:29
was 100%. We know what I'm saying the same way. It
Carter
33:30
It was 100% because when we were making, when we had revenues that were super
Carter
33:35
super high, we had super high employment because
Carter
33:37
because it wasn't just one guy, you know, I'm going to use hyperbole here, one guy in the oil sands turning the tap on, which is, you know, in situ production Once the
Carter
33:47
is built, it's just not the same intensity of production that we would see in old school, traditional
Carter
34:00
traditional oil and gas work, where you're dumping down the wells, you've got the oil and gas workers doing all kinds of different things. That just doesn't exist, does
Carter
34:11
does not exist right now. so what
Carter
34:14
what are you going to do um
Carter
34:15
um when employment i mean employment's high right now too but i think that's
Corey
34:19
that's good but it's different because we're
Carter
34:21
we're not tracking everybody because a lot of people have dropped off the employment they've retired early because you made so much money but your retirement doesn't look the way you wanted it to look i
Carter
34:31
i think i i know a number of people in that position right now and
Carter
34:37
there's still there's a lot of anger from those folks they
Corey
34:39
they go back if
Corey
34:41
there's a fundamental anxiety too which is might my job go away will my kids have jobs and people are looking to the government to find some solutions and you know mired in all of this is you know a government taking socially unpopular decisions i mean albertans are
Corey
34:57
are there are social conservatives in alberta especially if you get outside of the major cities don't don't misunderstand me but there is like a serious libertarian conservative bent too which is not Not necessarily how things have been governed for the last bit. So it's very interesting to sort of see the government deal with those pressures, especially going into... I still think there's probably going to be a fall election. I think it for different reasons now, but
Corey
35:18
but I think there's going to be a fall election.
Carter
35:21
I don't think there's going to be a fall election. I think that there's going to be a spring election, but it's going to be a spring election of tatters.
Carter
35:30
I'm not sure that we'll see a mass crossing of the floor. Personally,
Corey
35:33
Personally, I'd love to see a mass... I just have stopped believing those things ever because we, because
Carter
35:38
we can't, because it's just too much fun. Well, but they,
Corey
35:41
they, no, no, no. I mean, like for me, it's, it's because we've heard, like people have threatened this for years. We never see it materialize. We never see it. People talk tough and then they find, you know, they find political religion the minute their job actually depends on it. I just ultimately think they,
Corey
35:57
they, they're not inclined to leave. Well, I
Carter
36:01
think that the, the leaving just looks different.
Corey
36:03
to leave by resignation.
Corey
36:05
They're going to leave that way.
Corey
36:08
Here's why I think there's a fall election.
Corey
36:10
Originally, I thought this
Corey
36:12
this could be a relatively calm leadership race. Travis Taves wins before people sort of realize his
Corey
36:18
his social conservative end, which is outside of the mainstream, certainly of the cities. And you need at least one of the cities to win. You just go. You're like, hey, look at me. I'm the guy who brought you a huge surplus. I seem pretty sensible. of all, I seem like your accountant because I am an accountant. I'm going to give you boring government and God, Albertans are thirsty for that. And so I thought there'd be a fall election. Now it's not looking so much like Taves is going to win. I still think he could win. And I actually think people are underestimating his chances. I would not,
Corey
36:48
not, if somebody said even money, who's going to win, I would probably have to pick Danielle Smith. But you wouldn't have to give me much odds for me to take Travis Taves still.
Corey
36:57
But now I think because of the bidding war and all of the things people have had to do to try to buy
Corey
37:02
buy currency with the right of the UCP. Travis Taves is probably the guy who's going to try to run it out into spring and have six months of governing if he wins.
Corey
37:11
But Danielle Smith has
Corey
37:12
has a different problem. And I don't know, at our live show, I said, if Danielle Smith wins, she's going to take that six months because she's actually quite a lovely human being. And people will sort of forget about the wild policy and And just be like, eh, she's okay, right? And she comes off as somewhat affable. And so she'd take the six months. But my thinking there has been, her
Corey
37:33
her policies have been so extreme, I do think that she's going to lose a couple of MLAs. I don't think mass floor crossings drop in government. And at that point, you just got to go.
Corey
37:44
I already said this, but you don't want those people having oxygen in the legislature. So you just go and you hope that you can kind of clean it up while everybody is caught with their pants down.
Corey
37:54
um so so that's where i sort of land on this right now but one of the things that has sort of thrown a monkey wrench into all of this can i say jason
Corey
38:05
jason kenney is still governing like he's the premier with full mandate i know it's ridiculous it's crazy isn't it he he's
Carter
38:12
he's just like out there doing the things that he wants to do even the alberta day thing you know who the fuck cares but you
Carter
38:19
you know that's not his job to
Corey
38:22
it's more than that to be the
Carter
38:23
the caretaker yeah there's way
Carter
38:25
more than that hey
Corey
38:27
huge multi-billion dollar surplus let me tell you how we're gonna spend it he doesn't want to leave that for the person who's gonna be premier in a month i
Corey
38:36
so he doesn't want to leave oh but their first step is gonna be either they acquiesce to that and it all goes into like debt repayment and all of that random you know spending or their first act will be walking back debt repayment why
Corey
38:50
why why would you not say we're putting a pin in this we've got a good healthy surplus there's lots of things the the you know the party is going through right now and imagining exercise about what could be i'm sure the next premier is going to have things to say about this instead he's rat fucking them it almost doesn't matter who wins he's rat fucking them no
Carter
39:10
no i think these are the range
Carter
39:12
because i think that is the action. That's
Corey
39:13
That's probably what Taves wants to do. Yeah.
Carter
39:15
So, you know, Taves would do this. So he's doing it. Danielle, I'm not really sure what she would do
Carter
39:22
with a large surplus. It doesn't feel to me like she's the invest in humanity type of person right
Carter
39:28
You know, I mean, unless we all need some sort of mass ivermectin injections
Carter
39:32
injections or something like that, I don't see her really
Carter
39:35
really reaching deep to spend the money.
Carter
39:40
I mean, for me, the fall election, makes too much sense for it to actually happen.
Carter
39:46
And by that, I mean, I
Carter
39:50
I think the NDP
Carter
39:51
NDP are polling well, but
Carter
39:55
but I don't think the NDP can do
Carter
39:58
do the election well. And what I mean is I'm
Carter
40:01
I'm looking at a number of different sets of data,
Carter
40:05
and those sets of data, best
Carter
40:07
best case for the NDP right now is 44 to 43 absolute
Carter
40:11
absolute win everything that they can be competitive in and
Corey
40:18
know that favors the the ucp so much you and i disagree on that we've had this conversation off mike uh carter sees a much narrower path to victory for the end i'm looking at the numbers
Carter
40:28
numbers you're looking at yourself thinking i'm
Corey
40:29
i'm always right and
Corey
40:32
to be fair to me no
Corey
40:34
i am am always right.
Corey
40:37
I think you're underestimating the NDP's strength in Calgary and what that will translate into. I get it. I understand. I'm not discounting for a minute that the NDP don't just need to get one point more than the UCP in the popular vote province wide. They're going to have to win by five points here or
Corey
40:56
But I think that it's possible. I
Carter
40:58
I think the challenge though, is
Carter
41:00
is the regionalization of Calgary, right?
Carter
41:03
right? If Calgary operated as a single Calgary unit,
Carter
41:07
then I think you're right.
Carter
41:08
But I think that there are divisions.
Carter
41:10
divisions. Glenmore Trail is a division.
Carter
41:15
division is going to be super duper hard for Rachel
Carter
41:20
Rachel Notley to get past.
Carter
41:22
I mean, she barely speaks Northwest Calgary, let alone South Calgary. i
Carter
41:29
calgary south calgary is the whitest area in calgary it
Carter
41:33
it has the least racial diversity it has the least uh socioeconomic diversity it
Carter
41:38
it is a you know more uniform group and they are a far more right-wing group they
Carter
41:46
don't shake your head at me you're wrong how many liberal seats did you win in south calgary oh
Corey
41:50
oh bloody never never but i know come on that's like the but
Corey
41:53
but there are seats in south calgary this is ridiculous for starters i do speak south calgary i grew up in south calgary oh
Carter
42:00
oh sure i thought you grew up
Carter
42:01
northeast calgary what happened there they
Corey
42:03
they used to speak northeast
Corey
42:05
i you know what i i am in all time zones baby i
Corey
42:08
i work in the northwest i live in the northeast i grew up in the southwest oh
Corey
42:13
southeast southeast a little different southeast
Corey
42:14
southeast is what i'm talking
Corey
42:16
you're wrong if you you look at calgary glenmore it is actually one of the more compact ridings in the city of cal like we're we're going to lose people here but like it's one of the more compact ridings in the city of calgary it has more diversity of housing and more socioeconomic diversity than you think there are seats like that that are available to the ndp i'm not saying they're going to win calgary glenmore my point is you're wrong and i would probably just leave that there i mean like southeast
Corey
42:42
yeah not a lot of not a lot of opportunity for the calgary
Carter
42:45
calgary glenmore is in the must win group in
Carter
42:48
in the 40 i
Corey
42:49
i don't know if it is it
Corey
42:50
it is it's in
Carter
42:50
in the yeah i'm telling you i'm
Carter
42:52
i'm telling you it's in the 44 you're
Corey
42:55
you're so telling you i
Corey
42:56
i am hey listen up i'm
Carter
42:57
i'm right you're wrong let's move on we'll
Corey
42:59
we'll have to unpack this when we have some adult supervision when zane's back i want to talk about the ndp's path to victory uh at at some future point here i think it is wider than you do my my friend, but we can talk about that.
Corey
43:15
we got a premier who is still governing like mad. And
Corey
43:19
And this leads me pretty nicely into that must drive the leadership candidates crazy. Certainly Smith. Smith has said as much, but Smith called out the premier for weighing in on the Alberta Sovereignty Act and its constitutionality. And here we come. And we can only basically talk about this without the first son here.
Carter
43:40
Yeah, because the first
Corey
43:43
making the comments. So Alberta's lieutenant governor said effectively, well, I'd look at the constitutionality of it. And if it wasn't constitutional, I wouldn't sign it.
Corey
43:53
Lots of commentary about whether that was appropriate or not.
Carter
43:58
You know, most I think I said before, some governments will push the limit on what is a constitutional bill. right? And ultimately, LGs have signed bills that have been found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Carter
44:15
The difference is that most of those bills aren't just unconstitutional on their face, right? They are not direct contradictions of federal law and the constitution of Canada.
Carter
44:28
I mean, I think that we said in a podcast with the first son, that we thought that this was actually not necessarily a bad thing for
Carter
44:37
for her to take this type of a position. It's not without precedent. In Alberta alone, we've seen this before when the
Carter
44:50
SOCREDs tried to pass some of their crazy legislation in the 1930s. We've seen it on a worldwide basis as well. Is this something that should be common practice? us? Absolutely not. But should the Queen's representative knowingly, knowingly being a key word here, knowingly sign legislation that is blatantly offside with the constitution of the country? I don't think they should. And saying so is
Carter
45:20
correct and expedient. I think it's the right thing, because then the government has to take take a look and
Carter
45:26
and pass legislation that
Carter
45:28
that they should be passing anyways, because they have their own constitutional experts who are there to make sure that the legislation is in fact constitutional and
Carter
45:37
and they should be passing legislation that fits into the box, at least a little bit.
Corey
45:42
Okay. I got a couple of thoughts on that. You're about to send me down a rabbit hole, but I think it's an important one because you're acting as though there has never been a bill recently passed that was grossly and on its face unconstitutional. And there's one thing that I really, really
Corey
45:58
really did not like from my time in government. I'm just going to throw it out there. And it was the turn off the taps legislation from
Corey
46:04
from the NDP government, which said effectively, if used, it could cut off supply to British Columbia of natural resources. And the reason I didn't like it is because it was on its face, grossly unconstitutional. Now, the Department of Justice, they could kind of tap dance around and suggest, oh, maybe not here, or maybe not there, or if we did this. Same kind of Alberta Sovereignty Act nonsense going on. Can I read to you from,
Corey
46:31
turn off the TAPS legislation.
Corey
46:33
Got a pretty good sense of what that means? Oh, I know. Passed by the NDP. Oh, yeah. Given royal assent by the UCP in like their first week. Okay. 92A, section two. In
Corey
46:43
In each province, the legislature may make laws in relation to the export from the province to another part of Canada of the primary production from non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province and the production from facilities in the province for the generation of electrical energy. But
Corey
46:58
But such laws may not authorize or provide for discrimination in prices or in supplies exported to another part of Canada.
Corey
47:05
It is patently unconstitutional to turn off the taps in only one direction in this country. And yet, passed,
Corey
47:14
given royal assent by an LG, this
Corey
47:17
is not entirely new territory we have here so uh you know i would first make the observation that this is what happens when we start playing silly bugger with these things and we should take the constitution more seriously because it leads us to things like the alberta sovereignty yeah
Carter
47:32
my first point second
Corey
47:36
it really really interesting to me uh what you said about like you
Corey
47:41
you know should these things be signaled i actually don't have a huge problem with what she said, because I think in general,
Corey
47:48
okay, let me put it this way. Let me try to find some words for you here.
Corey
47:54
Alberta Sovereignty Act would be a constitutional crisis, right?
Corey
47:58
You sort of agree with that?
Corey
48:00
I believe so. I would rather have my constitutional crisis now before people vote and can make a different decision than after. I don't see any merit or utility in the LG being quiet on this until after. And then all of a sudden we're in a constitutional crisis. Plus we have a bunch of people saying, I never would have voted for Danielle Smith if I thought that this was even a possibility.
Corey
48:20
In some ways, I think that signaling is not too bad. Now, if it was done for political purposes, that's a challenge. But if it was done to clarify the environment in which we all operate, I'm
Corey
48:31
I'm okay with that.
Corey
48:33
probably still would have recommended that she was a little more broad and say things like the government or the lieutenant governor always has to look at the constitutionality of a bill we're in a constitutional monarchy that
Corey
48:44
that means we're bound by the constitution and i am the monarch's representative that's just like job
Corey
48:49
job number one here uh
Corey
48:52
i'm not you know i'm not talking about any bill in particular but of course as an lg it is my responsibility to ensure something is constitutional yeah
Carter
49:00
yeah i mean i like the idea i mean i like your phrasing on it uh you know there was a bit you
Carter
49:05
you know she she was caught a little bit bit off guard, uh, by the question, I think, and, and, and answered, I think she made the, the, the rookie mistake of answering the question that was asked instead of answering the question that she should have, she
Corey
49:17
should have answered. I think that's exactly right.
Carter
49:22
said, you know, um, that's always the LG's responsibility that, you know, that we look at the constitutionality of, of every law and,
Carter
49:30
and, uh, you know, you know, blah,
Carter
49:31
blah, blah, blah, the constitutional monarchy and words
Carter
49:34
words you just said very well.
Carter
49:36
I don't think we'd be having this hub
Carter
49:45
anyways, I don't think we'd
Corey
49:46
we'd be having this
Carter
49:47
this conversation the same way.
Carter
49:51
she said the right, she did the right thing without saying the right thing. And I think that that just speaks more to, you
Carter
49:59
know, being relatively naive or new in, in
Carter
50:03
in the political sphere.
Carter
50:05
that's okay. I think that that's absolutely
Carter
50:08
absolutely fine for her to make
Carter
50:11
make that minor mistake, because I agree with you, the constitutional chaos should happen now in the election. And don't think that this goes one way. This
Carter
50:19
This doesn't just go one way with everybody saying, well, I'm not going to vote for Danielle Smith now, because this is a constitutional crisis that the LG screwed. group there's
Carter
50:28
there's a lot of people who are going to say i'm
Carter
50:30
i'm voting for danielle fuck the lg
Carter
50:32
trudeau is appointed i mean we saw that oh
Corey
50:34
oh yeah the rebel didn't
Corey
50:35
we predict that headline
Carter
50:38
our you know we
Corey
50:39
we did see this is what you get if you're like a patron i think i think it was on patreon i don't know i
Carter
50:44
i don't know but it was really good really insightful as always and uh
Carter
50:47
if you're not a patron i
Carter
50:49
don't even know how to talk to you you
Corey
50:52
you can get more shows
Carter
50:52
shows like like this one.
Corey
50:56
Be still your heart, right? Yeah, exactly.
Corey
51:00
Yeah. I mean, I don't have a ton to say about it. It's going to be interesting to see it unfold. There was no shortage of articles that came after. A lot of people very quick to say, oh, I don't think I would have done that. I guess I am saying I don't think I would have done that, but I actually don't think it's as big of a deal. I think it's more in the delivery. And like I said, I'd rather have a constitutional institutional crisis. Now, when we can do something about turning this train, this is the trolley problem almost, but one of the tracks has no bodies on it. Do you want to pull this switch or not? We've got the chance to do that now. We will not have that chance after some combination of the UCP leadership and perhaps a general election. So let's just see where this thing lands. And fundamentally, I think, talk about the lowest of bars. I'm not going to support laws that are illegal i
Corey
51:49
don't know seems pretty fucking normal to me but i think the point was the specificity was ill-advised she should have just made a general point along
Corey
51:56
along those lines i
Carter
51:57
i think that that turn off the taps law i think we'd actually um we
Carter
52:01
we were talking about it in in redford's government uh
Carter
52:04
uh even as early as i was there and we were having a significant problem with
Carter
52:08
with the the the technicality of the illegal components
Carter
52:14
but it's good political theater.
Carter
52:18
think that that's one of the differences with the Sovereignty Act.
Carter
52:20
The Sovereignty Act is just too far for political theater.
Carter
52:23
There's political theater and then there's political chaos. And
Carter
52:27
And if you don't know the difference between political theater and political chaos, I'm
Carter
52:30
I'm not sure that you should be running the government.
Carter
52:34
And I think that Danielle has moved from political
Carter
52:36
political theater to political chaos. That's
Carter
52:40
belief of where she is at this particular moment okay
Corey
52:45
um how was your alberta day let's wrap on that did you have a good time oh my god
Carter
52:50
i had a great time i had a great time as always i uh i got drunk and went to the casino um
Carter
52:55
um every i do it's my alberta
Carter
52:57
alberta day ritual and
Carter
53:00
on the way home from the casino i went to the homeless shelter and threw money uh around in
Carter
53:05
in homage to our great premier ralph klein mine.
Corey
53:09
That's interesting. So you know what I did for Alberta Day is
Corey
53:13
is I tried to create my own currency. And then when I wasn't allowed to have my own currency, I just took away everybody else's money who stopped me from having my own currency.
Corey
53:23
homage to another great premier.
Carter
53:26
Another great premier that we just, you know, we celebrate. We celebrate our
Corey
53:31
We celebrate it by putting up statues of Winston Churchill.
Carter
53:34
I mean, I already went and pissed on the ground that the statue is going to be on. so i really feel like i'm
Corey
53:38
i'm ahead all right
Corey
53:42
right uh i'm gonna hit the intro music and uh see you all how long
Carter
53:46
long was this do
Carter
53:49
do we have more topics we're not even going to cover great britain okay that's
Corey
53:51
oh do you want to talk about great britain okay no
Corey
53:53
no not really i hit the outro music but it didn't actually work so oh
Carter
53:58
i didn't actually uh pay attention okay
Corey
54:00
okay well do you know who won um
Carter
54:04
but i can't remember her name all
Corey
54:08
right uh my name is cory hogan with me as always oh
Corey
54:12
no stephen carter yeah
Carter
54:13
yeah we gotta work on the
Corey
54:14
the intro i don't
Carter
54:16
pretty good at it we
Corey
54:18
we should probably um prep a little bit more um we'll
Corey
54:22
we'll be back next week with zane velgey to keep us in line