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Zain
0:01
Well, hi there. Happy holidays, strategist listeners. The time has come for your non-denominational, exclusively inclusive holiday spectacular. Is
Zain
0:10
Is that you sitting by the fire? Wow, that's bold. Heating costs sure are rising. What a lovely home you have. It'd be a shame if something, never mind, just keep on sitting there. Grab
Zain
0:19
Grab your kids, maybe some lukewarm eggnog, and any semblance of hope you have left. Now burn it all down, because it's time for the better, late-than-never Strategist Holiday Spectacular, brought to you by Flair Airlines. My name is Zane Belchian. With me, as always, for our Strategist Holiday Spectacular special, our flight attendants, Corey Hogan and Stephen Carter. Guys, have you buckled up your seatbelts? Have you ensured that the safety message has been delivered to our audience in both official languages? we are the
Corey
0:47
the russian team of
Zain
0:51
it's a very very specific very topical joke one that we would not get to make if our sponsor didn't uh ensure that we record this holiday spectacular on their timetable which is better
Zain
1:02
better late than never steven carter uh how has your holiday been going your spectacular holiday of um better late than nevering i
Carter
1:10
i got some days off it was nice i didn't have to to see you too it was fantastic you know i i enjoyed myself uh did not travel anywhere on flair airlines uh breaking our contract so i don't believe they're going to be with us in 2022 but i'll try and make it up with the uh with the folks in advertising next week that's
Zain
1:27
that's fantastic no i i think our ad department would really like an apology after you this time i didn't
Carter
1:33
didn't show up for them instead
Carter
1:34
instead of them not showing up for me no
Zain
1:36
no i appreciate that thank you uh cory you're doing well did you uh did you uh top the antonio brown um peace out to the new york jets fans uh march out of my team uh level of energy this holiday season i've seen
Corey
1:49
seen that you know people are talking about it but we lived that at hill and knowlton when stephen carter left wasn't this also
Carter
1:56
left the strategists the first time yeah
Corey
1:59
yeah but this is an audio medium so most people didn't actually they
Carter
2:02
didn't actually see your shirt coming off but uh i saw it and i can never Never forget it.
Zain
2:08
Guys, let's not waste any time. It is, of course, the holiday season. We want to spread some holiday cheer. And one of the ways we spread that holiday cheer is by giving away a flight. Let's move it on to our first segment, to our Not Going Places contest. Corey, for those that are just joining the Holiday Spectacular, please tell them what our Flair Airlines Not Going Anywhere contest is all about.
Corey
2:30
Well, Zane, you know, every year we try to have a very big gift for our Holiday Spectacular. One would say massive. I mean, in the past, we've had, you know, first trip on Virgin Galactic. We've had, of course, nobody's going to forget when Carter and Chester originally in 1993 offered to sell the very briefcase that the bribe for Brian Mulrooney was put in. That was cool. But this year, we've topped it, I think, because since
Corey
2:56
the dawn of time, Zane, man has dreamt of flying.
Corey
3:01
And now we can.
Corey
3:03
Theoretically, not. Is that what you
Zain
3:05
you call a flight?
Corey
3:12
Theoretically, that bird that's on the tarmac, that can go up in the air.
Corey
3:16
And to celebrate, you know, the holiday season and to celebrate the listeners and the great nominations.
Zain
3:21
The miracle of flight.
Corey
3:25
over, Wright Brothers. You got a new champion. It's we are giving a flight, no expenses paid, one way from Calgary to Abbotsford.
Corey
3:35
because Abbotsford's better than your shit town, even when half underwater, as we've reminded people.
Carter
3:40
That is their official slogan now. They've adopted it as a city.
Carter
3:47
that, correct. I'm a little disappointed we didn't get royalties, but okay. Now,
Corey
3:50
Now, the bad news is that this is a mandatory flight. So the winner will be required to take the flight, whether they want to or not.
Zain
3:57
Yeah. And that kind of brings me to our finalists. Now, I have to say that there was many nominations and many finalists. There are a number of nominations, yes.
Zain
4:06
There are a number of nominations and a number of finalists. I'm going to read you five finalists, and they're categorized in a couple of different ways. We had people nominating themselves. We had people nominating celebrities. We had people nominating politicians. And then we had people nominating friends or relatives for whatever reasons. So let me let me walk through a few. We had J.K. Rowling being nominated because of her anti-trans stance. OK, we had someone nominating their friend because he calls himself Connor McMustache, even though that's not his real name. OK, we had someone nominating their brother because they're more successful than them. I don't know if I like that one. We had someone nominating themselves in a heartfelt, genuine way, saying that they were born in mission, that Abbotsford feels like home to them, that they would love to go there and have a weekend escape on our dime. Okay. And then we had finally two nominations for politicians. One, Mike Nicol, a former city councillor in Edmonton, was nominated. And one nomination, which I think personally was kind of harsh, was for MP Bartis Chagger, former minister. Now, nothing. No No parliamentary secretary, no minister, still an MP. So better than most. But those are our finalists. And Stephen Carter, you as the adjudicator, Corey as the individual who sets the terms, deals with the sponsor, Stephen Carter as the benevolent ruler of what we do. How do you want to decide this? Because we don't discuss how we figure
Zain
5:37
figure this out. We leave this to
Corey
5:38
to you because this is your specialty. This whole podcast is about how the sausage is made. This is what you
Zain
5:44
you do, Carter. So how would we, if one were to hand this flight out, Corey, retail value?
Zain
5:53
If one were to hand out this $49 flight,
Carter
5:59
How would they do that?
Carter
6:01
Yeah, how would they do that, Carter? I think the first thing we have to do is we have to split it equally amongst our thousands of listeners. This is all you could come up with? This is it? You looked at the entire scope of the Canadian political landscape. And all you came up with was Bartosz Czajger. Come on. I mean, I'm disappointed on so many levels. I'll
Zain
6:21
continue. But I do want to actually underline a point Corey made up. People, human flight is being awarded, Carter Beckley.
Carter
6:28
is a big deal. This is a big deal. This is a big prize. And this is the best you could do. I mean, where's
Carter
6:35
where's Anna Mae Paul? Where's Elizabeth May? Where's the entire Green Party? You guys didn't come through at all. You know, where are we with the People's Party? where are we on all of these people you know all kinds of people in canadian politics that aren't going anywhere some who never left where's greg clark as an old throwback come on bring some people to the table this
Corey
6:55
this was the alberta party's to lose this
Carter
6:57
this was the alberta party's to lose for sure can
Carter
7:00
can anybody name the current leader of the alberta party on this podcast go i
Corey
7:06
suspect that uh his mother would have trouble with that so i'm not gonna feel that aluminum canister
Zain
7:10
canister that That fucking flies in the air. What is wrong with you people? It goes faster than you can comprehend. And this is the best we have? I've been disappointed
Carter
7:21
disappointed with our listeners for a long time, Zane. I've never been more disappointed in our listeners than I am right now. Happy holidays, motherfuckers. Come up with something better next year, for sure.
Corey
7:34
You know, around this time last year, I know because we got the renewal notice for it. We ran a poll that asked if you have sex dreams about Stephen Carter. 1,000 of you decided to do that poll.
Corey
7:45
Five of you have come up with nominations for this particular contest.
Carter
7:48
contest. This is just the worst. This is the worst interaction with listeners in the history of mankind. We
Zain
7:53
accept this as a failing of our podcast. No,
Carter
7:56
No, it is the failing of our listeners.
Carter
7:59
Our listeners have won the Going Nowhere contest.
Corey
8:09
Yeah, I think we got a winner. Okay,
Corey
8:10
excellent. Congratulations, our listeners. you have to split this flight yeah
Zain
8:15
we'll figure out how we get it
Carter
8:17
cory's made of money i think what we do is we have anybody who wants a flight one-way flight i don't i
Corey
8:22
i don't think that
Carter
8:23
that happens for it send us a note and cory will
Zain
8:25
will pay for it can we just cory is this possible and i'm sure anything is with flare airlines um that you could just buy a ticket and then just like put it up and someone can just redeem it can we just figure out the first person to redeem this flight just online as part of our listener base i think we should try that that's what we should do carter yeah
Carter
8:41
yeah i think so i
Carter
8:43
i think you know what i think that that's the way to go i
Corey
8:45
think what you need spotify now has five star reviews leave a five star review on spotify and
Carter
8:50
and one of us is gonna have to go look at the reviews we're
Corey
8:53
we're never gonna do that yeah
Carter
8:55
seems like a lot of work let's
Zain
8:56
with carter's plan let's move it on to our next segment our next segment did it land brought to you by flare airlines yes this is another sponsored segment it? No.
Zain
9:07
Carter, Corey, I'm going to talk about a bunch of things this year to recap the year. And I'm going to ask, did these things land? There's no better way to do this than just to do it. Stephen Carter, did it land in 2021, Justin Trudeau's election call? Did it land?
Carter
9:21
Well, it landed, but it landed in a giant fiery mess, I think. I mean, sure. I mean, I think that everybody came out of the election saying that they won, which is indication that they all lost. So no, I don't think it landed safely. I think that it It landed, you know, like it was one of those bombers that came back from, you know, bombing the Nazis, right? It came back shot up full of holes, but somehow they made it across the English Channel and they were able to set it down in some farmer's field. And I think that that's basically the lesson of the 2021 election is don't mess around with elections just because you think you can win because things do change during elections. Elections matter. We saw it change twice. uh liberals were going to win a massive man landslide and so were the conservatives and we wound up back at the exact same point so i'd say it was shot up damaged uh profusely but it did it did in fact cory
Zain
10:16
cory did it land the liberals election call did
Corey
10:19
it landed the way sully landed on the hudson maybe i mean they'll declare a victory but you know what a real victory would have been not flying into a pack of fucking birds so maybe don't call the election next time and you know there is an actual serious consequence to all of this there was a sense that Justin Trudeau was a majority in everything but name, right? Like if he called it, he'd have a majority government. And so the opposition parties had to treat him accordingly. But there was a real sense that that was shaken right off after that particular election. And there's now there's this kind of stench
Corey
10:53
stench of death is too much. But people now see him as a mortal man. And the liberals don't have the same deck of cards or, you know, that they thought they did. I'm sorry,
Zain
11:02
sorry, did you just Sully shame on the show? Did you just blame Sully for running into birds? You
Corey
11:08
You know what? I was in Charlotte, North Carolina, many years ago now. And they had that plane put in like an aviation museum. And there was this whole exhibit about it. And I was surprised by how much of the exhibit was blaming the fact that the geese were from Canada and had migrated down.
Corey
11:25
It didn't seem very fair. True, by the way, I'm not making that up. and uh really at the end of the day what are we celebrating here man couldn't fly a plane
Zain
11:36
it's true and what we were giving away was human flight okay just to tell you and none
Zain
11:42
none of you bryce sully
Carter
11:43
sully we don't know flare
Carter
11:45
flare airlines pilots no
Carter
11:47
no one knows for sure
Zain
11:49
jesus christ carter carter um let's move it on to our next one i'm gonna ask you the new governor general did it land as a political play he had to replace julie payette mary simon the new gg you know the language aspect of it the quebec aspect of it overall now with 2020 hindsight or as much as we can get 2021 hindsight did it land i think it did i
Carter
12:13
i think that she's uh i thought i thought at the time she was a great choice i think that having an an indigenous language uh you know speak speaker um as our governor general is a fantastic tie-in um at a time when we're supposed to be taking reconciliation uh very seriously i was very pleased and then when she was able to deliver um you know parts of wasn't a throne speech i think she delivered it in parts of that in french and it absolutely flew so for me uh this was a safe landing 100 uh she caught the you know she landed on the carrier just perfectly cut the right uh
Carter
12:47
deceleration court or wherever the hell they're called and worked perfectly. So I think it was a great
Zain
12:53
Corey, as a political play, Mary Simon, did it land?
Corey
12:57
I mean, it landed, but it was stomped on by an immediate election call, which just totally moved it off the front pages here. It's like if the Concord touched down on LaGuardia the same day Sully put it into the Hudson, you know? Yeah,
Corey
13:09
everybody's talking about the Concord. What a very Northeastern. Nobody's talking about the Concord. Nobody's
Carter
13:12
Nobody's talking about the Concord. I got that backwards. Okay, sorry.
Carter
13:16
because you know they weren't flying the concords then so it would have been pretty amazing what
Zain
13:20
what do you think it would cost our sponsor to have sully on for just a day as like a novelty pilot situation do you think they have
Carter
13:27
as before when he crashed
Carter
13:29
the plane you know like he was probably more expensive before he crashed probably
Carter
13:33
probably once he crashed it
Carter
13:34
it became a little less expensive yeah
Corey
13:36
a good point it's
Zain
13:36
it's time for a legal disclosure cory uh flare airlines not our sponsor okay thank you uh let's move on to our next one carter this
Zain
13:45
is so fucking stupid it's
Zain
13:47
it's the best show ever
Zain
13:48
good job did it land aaron o'toole didn't win the election but do you think with a couple months hindsight from that election do you think he's actually doing what he needs to to shift the party to more central territory did that land did aaron o'toole shifting the conservative movement more to the left or more to the center has that landed it he's
Carter
14:11
he's doing a fly around he came in to try and land but instead he just he took right back off again he's going to do one more one more circle of the airport uh before he lands it because i think that um with each passing day he becomes stronger not weaker and uh that
Carter
14:26
that will enable him to to land this particular plane of becoming more central and becoming more palatable to the rest of the country while he lost the election i think that he is definitely in a place uh to position himself to be the next winner of an election. And I wouldn't be surprised if, you
Carter
14:43
you know, he was the one heading into an election with a brand new liberal leader in four years. And that brand new liberal leader is under a lot of pressure to outperform Aaron O'Toole.
Zain
14:55
Corey, what do you think? Did it land the O'Toole long term strategy, at least what we can see right now of shifting the party more to the center?
Corey
15:05
It was a good takeoff. I mean, we definitely saw I saw along the way there that Aaron O'Toole had, this was clearly his strategy going back to the fall, right, which was kind of play rope-a-dope a bit, not really get into any fights with his party, and then tack hard to the center before it was, you know, when it was too late for his party to kind of change it, and then he would run the election as a centrist. So yeah, it was a good takeoff. But then he flew into a bunch of far-right Canada geese, and he had to ditch in the Hudson.
Zain
15:33
cory canada at glasgow cop 26 did it land did
Corey
15:39
did it land i don't know i mean i have trouble thinking about what even happened at glasgow or at cop 26 from
Zain
15:47
from you environment minister showing up there like these global agreements so no i
Corey
15:52
i mean i guess one of the problems is cop 26 didn't really land so how could canada land there it was a bit like a tour by sully after he ditched it in the hudson it's
Corey
16:01
it's it's not built on anything substantive right it's actually built on a bit of a failure is
Zain
16:06
is is tom hanks a better sully or a better mr rogers uh
Carter
16:11
uh he was a better mr rogers but only because it was you know melba toast tasteless you know i mean tom hanks best days behind him obviously so do you feel
Zain
16:20
feel like his performance
Zain
16:21
performance in sully was kind of like sully landing on the hudson yeah
Carter
16:24
yeah i mean it didn't land at all i mean the difference was at least sully put it in the river right
Corey
16:33
we call a reverse
Zain
16:37
canada canada and glasgow for cop 26 carter didn't land i
Carter
16:40
think it landed it landed fairly well i mean let's keep in mind that it was a it was the topic of conversation for a couple of weeks there and really doesn't need to be much more than that um these things take on a life of its own of their own later uh but in the moment i think that it did what it was supposed to do for for the first couple of weeks when everybody was talking about it. I know that when
Carter
17:01
when we were preparing
Carter
17:02
preparing for the declaration of the climate emergency here in Calgary, it certainly was welcome fodder
Carter
17:08
fodder and conversation that set that up perfectly. So for me, it wasn't about how long it's landed or the fact that we're not talking about it after Christmas, but instead just the fact that it happened. And during the two-week period that Canada was there, We were certainly talking about our shift to reducing our greenhouse gases.
Zain
17:31
Now that you're warmed up, it is time for my favorite segments. Let's move it on to our next segment. Our next segment, non-denominational savior of a non-denominational God is born. Guys, this is the best part. This and the coming ups and the segment coming up, this is what the Holiday Spectacular is all about. Whether it's late, whether it's on time, this is the segment that the masses tune in for. In this segment, the non-denominational savior of a non-denominational God is born. We're going to talk about some of the births of 2021, because 2021 certainly birthed a few things. And here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to tee it up for one of you. You're going to alternate. You're not going to do the same one. So I'll
Carter
18:14
Twice as much work for Zane. He's going to
Zain
18:17
to do, yeah, so Corey's going to do the first one, then I'm going to go to Carter, then to Corey, then to Carter, then move on. So we got four in this segment. And like I always say, there's no better way to start than to start. So Corey, 2021 birthed something very special for all of us. Looked very different across the country. Some were on paper, others were scanned, but these were indeed vaccine passports. Corey, a birth announcement for vaccine passports in 2021. I will give you 15 seconds to prepare as Carter reads some of the copy that has been provided to us by our sponsor.
Carter
18:55
Flair Airlines, taking off, but sometimes never getting there. Flair Airlines, your best option for
Carter
19:01
for avoiding your in-laws this Christmas vacation. Thank you from Flair Airlines.
Zain
19:08
It doesn't seem like you're reading. Corey, here
Zain
19:11
here we go. That's how I read it, man. The birth announcement for
Corey
19:18
It's a boy! Will this be awkward for Jason Kenney to explain to his base? The governments of Canada, collectively, are pleased to announce the introduction of the Restriction Exemption Program, also known by his godparents as the vaccine passport, was born under duress in the middle of summer when a bunch of you decided that you wanted to get being afraid of a needle elevated into some sort of philosophical stance and take the country down with you. Anyhow, that's
Corey
19:54
that's my birth announcement. Very
Zain
19:56
Very nice. Very nice. Corey Hogan with the birth announcement for the vaccine passport. Stephen Carter, yours might be a little bit tougher if you don't know what this is, but that's what makes Stephen
Zain
20:07
Carter, 2021 ushered in obviously a lot of change, a lot of turmoil, but for many that were on the bleeding edge, it brought a lot of prosperity through a simple three-letter acronym known as NFTs. Stephen Carter, 2021 birthed the NFT movement. I need from you a birth announcement for the NFT, also known as the non-fungible token. Stephen Carter, the floor is yours in 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1.
Carter
20:46
the nft has been has been birthed by some uh bourgeois capitalists who are pleased to announce that they are prepared to take your real money for not a real thing
Carter
21:02
anytime that somebody you know pt barnum once said a fool and his money are soon parted this is the 2021 equivalent a fool and his money will soon be parted for some digital ones and zeros that ultimately add up to nothing because every time you add a one and a zero it winds up as a zero so you will be giving we will have people giving their real money for something that is not real or less real and that seems like a fair transaction and also Also, the Strategists podcast are prepared to offer NFTs of each original podcast for a small sum of only $10,000. These podcast NFTs will be available to you on a limited basis. We only have 100 of them in today's stock. So please reach out to Corey Hogan if you wish to buy an NFT, the proud papa of the NFT program for the Strategists podcast.
Zain
22:01
Nicely done, Carter. I like that you made it promotional and about ourselves. Very nice. Well,
Carter
22:05
Well, it was better than the coffee cup thing. That didn't work so well for us. We didn't get a fucking red penny on the coffee cups.
Zain
22:10
Corey, you know, often birth announcements happen in advance when the birthing couple or the thruple or the units are just sure that it's a thing and they want word out quickly. And that's what I want you to prepare for the birth announcement as part of our non-denominational Savior, of our non-denominational God, for $10-a-day child care.
Zain
22:35
Corey, it has been birthed, it has been taken across the country, it has been negotiated, it has been sold, it has been right-sized. But now comes its birth announcement, perhaps a bit early, but
Zain
22:52
but for $10 a day childcare, please, to the audience.
Corey
22:55
Yeah, the government of Canada would like to announce the birth of the $10 a day Dectuplets. One of them is a little late, a little overdue. And that's, of course, Ontario. But nonetheless, it's a moment of celebration for everybody here. year. These children will get a jumpstart on life, and they will be able to learn things like it wasn't P.T. Barnum who said, a fool and his money are soon parted. But in fact, that was Thomas Tusser in 500 Points of Good Husbandry. We can expect a generation much better than Stephen Carter as a result of this because the benefits of early intervention and early child care are well established.
Carter
23:36
You know, it's disappointing because one would think that that was actually an engagement notice of a wedding that's just simply not going to take place for at least five or six more years.
Zain
23:46
Stephen Carter, the final one goes to you, and it is a transition to our next segment, because often, and unfortunately, in politics, something is birthed and something fails or doesn't necessarily stand up to muster, but has to leave the political universe, sadly. And we have one of those cases. So for you, Stephen Carter, a birth announcement, but also a eulogy of sorts.
Zain
24:11
Stephen Carter, it is time for the birth announcement and the eulogy for the greatest summer ever.
Carter
24:20
each year comes in it arrives as a baby and it leaves as an old man and so it was with the best summer ever which arrived as an old man and left as a baby we
Carter
24:31
we had the best summer where we were hoping that for the for for the absolute best and uh like all great proclamations of great joy just came a little bit too early and jason kenney as the uh as the godfather of the announcement of of uh of the best summer ever ever seemed to overhype it just a smidge but uh for speaking of my for myself uh this really was the greatest summer ever and uh i'm really happy because i got to spend it with you guys you know doing two podcasts a week um it
Carter
25:04
it really was for me the
Carter
25:06
the greatest summer ever now it's it's gone now i'm stuck with you fuckers still but uh still you You know, in hindsight, it looked pretty good.
Zain
25:14
Which brings us to our next segment. Our next segment, Forgotten But Not Gone, The Political Eulogies of 2021. Stephen Carter, we're doing more eulogies. Oh, this is great. Good news. I do so well
Zain
25:29
Carter, you know, this particular
Zain
25:34
eulogy you're going to deliver, it could be said it was a long time coming. But I think 2021, in all its might, finally
Zain
25:42
finally sealed it, finally made it clear, finally made it abundantly clear, especially in the tail end, that forgotten but not gone, for standing up to Quebec, for
Zain
25:55
for anyone to stand up to whatever Quebec wanted to do, whatever willy-nilly policy they wanted to pass. When Quebec would say jump, everyone would say how high. Stephen Carter, the eulogy of
Zain
26:08
of standing up to Quebec.
Carter
26:11
As the great René Lévesque said, do it my way or don't do it at all, you little fuckers. René Lévesque was my personal hero. And he was, of course, the man who stood up for Quebec, the strongest. And he is, of course, the birth father of the movement that continues to this day, that Quebec stands first in a nation of equals. First among equals is, I believe, the official provincial
Carter
26:41
provincial motto now of Quebec, and it's because of great forefathers like Jacques Perrault, René Lévesque. I mean, sure, moderately racist. Sure, xenophobic. But you know what? Now
Carter
26:55
Now they're the ones who lead Quebec into the moderately racist, xenophobic Bill 21.
Carter
27:02
And the fact that no one will stand up against it from the federal leaderships, including people who would be impacted by it, were they to live in Quebec, shows the enduring strength of small people. And I think I can speak for everybody. And when I say René Lévesque was amongst the smallest of people.
Zain
27:23
Wow. The enduring strength of small people. A beautiful line by Stephen Carter. That, of course, the eulogy for standing up to Quebec. back. Corey, a eulogy now for our outgoing Governor
Zain
27:34
Governor General Julie Payette. Forgotten but not gone.
Zain
27:39
She is certainly not the Governor General anymore. But please, the political eulogy for one former Governor General Julie Payette.
Corey
27:50
They say you don't know what you got till it's gone.
Corey
27:55
And that's especially true with our former Former Governor General Julie Payette.
Corey
28:00
The halls of Rideau seem quieter in her absence.
Corey
28:11
We'll miss you, Julie, as you went
Corey
28:14
went from here to space.
Zain
28:24
Oh, that was beautiful. Just the end there, just the landing. Like Sully on the Hudson Court. Oh, beautiful landing.
Zain
28:32
Stephen Carter, oh, just moving. Tears. Tears in our eyes. Stephen Carter, you know, sometimes the eulogies are of people that have already passed. It is their memory in the, shall I say, zeitgeist that is what is being eulogized. And whether it is being pushed out, edged out, or being toppled, Stephen Carter, those memories are what are pushed aside and cast away. And that, of course, brings me to the eulogy for the forgotten but not gone of one Egerton Ryerson, the individual toppled from Ryerson University. Please, Stephen Carter, the eulogy for Egerton Ryerson and his legacy being toppled.
Carter
29:21
It's darkest when it is light, saith the Lord.
Carter
29:25
That is the words that Ryerson brought forward to Ryerson
Carter
29:35
Ryerson University. And sure, he
Carter
29:40
he had some problems. He
Carter
29:41
He does not meet our moral standards of today. and who
Carter
29:45
who are we if we do not demand better of those who came before us who are no longer able to change when
Carter
29:52
we make those demands of people we are saying to ourselves we will be better in the future and
Carter
29:57
and i think it is incumbent upon us to remember that by flailing upon ryerson and his long long gone body we are in fact flailing upon ourselves that we must do better in the future and
Carter
30:09
and that is the request that i think ryerson is making of each of us today and were he standing standing before you today long
Carter
30:16
long gone ryerson would stand up and say it is time for you to stand up and make things better for yourself make
Carter
30:24
make things better for all of society and
Carter
30:29
we're so happy that we still have mcgill beautiful
Zain
30:37
uh thank you thank you for that beautiful send off to egerton ryerson who sent off many years ago, Corey Hogan, you
Zain
30:46
you know, often the passing includes more than one member, a passing of a pair, a duo, brothers,
Zain
30:54
brothers, one might say, brothers
Zain
30:57
brothers that are powerful, brothers that control the halls of politics and the airwaves.
Zain
31:04
Corey Hogan, the forgotten but not gone eulogy for andrew and chris cuomo the
Zain
31:10
the two brothers who no longer control said halls of cable news at the 10 p.m eastern hour or
Zain
31:19
or the governor's mansion in albany cory hogan the forgotten but not gone eulogy for the cuomo brothers the
Corey
31:27
cuomo brothers were like
Corey
31:29
like so many people.
Corey
31:37
that bag of shitness manifested differently for each of them, that
Corey
31:41
that common thread really
Corey
31:44
speaks to me about the bonds of family and
Corey
31:48
how who we are is based
Corey
31:51
based on who we came up with.
Corey
31:54
Now, my sisters are all pieces of shit so a little
Corey
31:58
little concerned for myself sort of make this eulogy about me
Zain
32:02
you know sometimes the best eulogies are introspective inward looking cory hogan with a beautiful eulogy for the cuomo brother stephen carter yeah
Zain
32:10
back to you and you know many
Zain
32:12
many will argue that this next eulogy is
Zain
32:22
it is only a heartbeat away way from a revival. Well, Stephen Carter, I want you to give it anyway. The eulogy for the Green Party of Canada, Stephen Carter, it needs to be given and it needs to be given by you right
Zain
32:35
now. What do the Lord say? The
Carter
32:37
Lord saith to all who assembled, let us plant seeds and allow those seeds to grow into green plants. Those green plants shall lift us from our carbon intensive environment to the less carbon intensive environment so saith the lord so
Carter
32:53
so saith the lord
Carter
32:55
sadly those words were echoed throughout the green party up and down and
Carter
33:01
and then they landed upon the ears of anime paul where she said lord
Carter
33:06
lord make it about me put me forth and the the masses shall come but
Carter
33:13
the masses did not come for
Carter
33:15
for lost in those words was
Carter
33:18
was a recognition that
Carter
33:20
that you must do give the masses something that they wish something that they desire and they desired neither the green party nor anime paul for
Carter
33:28
for they left them and they wandered into the field of green that was represented by liberal red that
Carter
33:36
that was the legacy of the green party in 2021 and that That shall be the
Carter
33:40
the legacy of the Green Party moving forward. That
Carter
33:42
That which is green shall always bleed red.
Zain
33:49
Jesus, that was very dark. Thank you, Stephen Carter.
Zain
33:53
For an atheist, you know a lot of what the Lord saith. The Lord saith
Zain
34:00
our second last one goes to you. Second last? Jesus, you're killing us. We had a lot of eulogizing to do, Stephen Carter, and we've been doing it efficiently, Corey Hogan.
Zain
34:10
Sometimes it's not a person. Sometimes it's not a idea
Zain
34:14
idea or a prospect or a potential. Sometimes it's quite literally someone's Twitter account that we need to eulogize. And the Twitter account of one Donald Trump needs
Zain
34:24
needs to be eulogized for the year 2021.
Zain
34:28
Corey, please start however you wish, whether it be with what the Lord sayeth, a quote, a poem, a Dr. Seuss line, whatever would kick this off appropriately. But the eulogy, the forgotten but not gone eulogy
Zain
34:42
eulogy for Donald Trump's Twitter
Corey
34:49
like the Cuomo brothers, was
Corey
34:51
was an enormous piece of shit.
Corey
34:54
but i will say i had a strangely comforting habit over
Corey
34:58
over 2020 of whenever something happened in the world going
Corey
35:02
going to twitter.com real donald trump to see what the worst possible take would be so i would know what take i should take in in reverse uh and i was robbed of that and forced to make some of my own opinions uh starting january of this year and
Corey
35:21
and that's been tough for me
Corey
35:22
that's been tough for me that's been tough for all of you who listen because frankly i
Corey
35:26
can't do as well as he could do bad i think we all know that yeah
Corey
35:30
but there's hope donald
Corey
35:34
his terrible views live on they
Corey
35:37
they lived on on a blog shortly until he canceled it out of embarrassment they
Corey
35:41
they will live on on truth social which
Corey
35:43
which is effectively just stolen technology
Corey
35:46
that he has been struggling to launch for over a month.
Corey
35:51
They'll live on there, too.
Corey
35:53
Still, the 280 characters won't
Corey
35:57
won't be an easy habit to shake.
Corey
35:59
You know, he still releases press releases
Corey
36:03
so that they are short enough so that you could say Donald Trump said and then the release.
Corey
36:12
So is Twitter really, is real Donald Trump really dead, I guess? as long as he lives in all of the actions of Donald Trump since January of this year? I
Zain
36:22
Forgotten but not gone, the eulogy for Donald Trump's Twitter account. Corey Hogan coming to the realization that you may kill a man's Twitter account, but you may not take away his fish. Stephen Carter, I think that's how it goes. The Lord, I believe the Lord had say for that as well. Stephen Carter, the
Zain
36:37
the last one. As we conclude the eulogies, the forgotten but not gone. And I give you another one that many would say, why?
Zain
36:45
Why now? Not necessary. Shelve it.
Zain
36:49
Put it in your back pocket. But I say no. I say we are always
Zain
36:54
always at the ready. We are always at the front.
Zain
36:59
We're always prepared because we know and we see the future, especially you, Stephen Carter, which
Zain
37:03
which is why I need from you the forgotten but not gone eulogy for
Zain
37:07
for Aaron O'Toole's chances to become prime minister.
Zain
37:12
round us out here steven carter unless
Carter
37:14
unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot nothing
Carter
37:17
nothing is going to get better it's not all
Carter
37:22
all the things you can find if you don't stay behind
Carter
37:28
philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways the point however is to change it are
Corey
37:33
are you just on like a page of seuss quotes is that what no i'm
Carter
37:36
i'm not on marks i did two seuss so now I'm doing two marks. The
Carter
37:40
The oppressed are allowed every once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the... Wait, is this Carl or
Zain
37:45
or Groucho? Sorry, which...
Carter
37:46
which... This is Carl...
Carter
37:48
Guys, I didn't interrupt your stuff.
Carter
37:53
Okay, can I start again? Wait,
Corey
37:55
Wait, are Groucho Marx and Karl Marx not the same person? Science
Carter
37:57
Science is the great anecdote of the poison of enthusiasm and superstition, says Adam Smith. Sounds like Groucho to me.
Carter
38:04
And he brings that to us and it guides. guides, it guides Aaron O'Toole as he's making decisions about who will be in his caucus for the short term and the long term.
Carter
38:16
As Aaron O'Toole said to me, the
Carter
38:19
first thing you have to know is yourself. A man who knows himself can step outside himself and watch his own reactions like an observer. And
Carter
38:27
And that really is the true insight that is Aaron
Carter
38:34
Aaron O'Toole has learned so so much. He is, of course, the butcher, the brewer, the baker that we expect for our dinner, but from their regard, their own self-interest. And we must address ourselves, not to the humanity, but to their self-love and never talk of them, of their own necessities, but of their own advantages.
Carter
38:52
And this is what Aaron O'Toole has brought to us. And let me finish with this.
Carter
39:01
will need a much stronger caucus to
Carter
39:03
to maintain your election thank
Zain
39:13
for whatever that was it's a reading i appreciate the reading that concludes our forgotten but not gone 2021 political eulogies let's move it on to our next segment segment yes there is more to the show because it is indeed the holiday spectacular the better late
Zain
39:30
late than never holiday spectacular let's move it on to our next segment the head to head who had the better year we're going to debate this out cory hogan we do this every year three head-to-head competitions who had the better year who would you want to be right now and the first one cory
Zain
39:47
justin trudeau or john horgan who
Zain
39:50
who had the better year who would you want to be right now those are the questions. I'll pose it to both of you for each of these three rounds that we have. Would you want to be Justin Trudeau or John Horgan? Who had the better year in your mind?
Corey
40:02
Well, I'd want to be Justin Trudeau because being prime minister is a pretty good gig. Let's just start as a fundamental right there. John Horgan, well, he's in his second term. And while I don't think the shine is really truly coming off him, I do think that the prolonged honeymoon is over and you are are starting to see some criticism of his government. Trudeau has gone through these valleys for a while. I mean, where he is, is not even arguably his low mark. You know, we remember blackface Trudeau, remember brownface Trudeau. Of course, I think it would be shocking if that wasn't the low mark. And the reality is, when you are 50 years old and contemplating, do I want to continue being the leader of a G7 country? Or do I want to go off and do the next kick-ass thing and either way i'm still a rich guy with a beautiful family and all of the world in front of me not so bad also
Corey
40:56
also has to be noted that john horgan has had some health problems this year right
Corey
40:59
right with his cancer scare so i i have a hard time imagining that uh that
Corey
41:05
that trudeau would want to switch places with john horgan as a bit of a start yeah
Zain
41:10
here's the thing carter you got one premier with the majority cory thank you for making mentioning the health issues that was not Not intended to just be clear, you know, as the as part of the texture. But, you know, I appreciate that from a political standpoint. One premier to shine, not entirely worn off, has a majority of the other prime minister who is clearly
Zain
41:28
clearly is a prime minister, was supposed to dunk a majority on all of us, didn't get it. Now talking about his long walk in the snow. Stephen Carter, who had the better year? Who do you want to be right now? Well,
Carter
41:38
Well, it's just like Corey is so used to losing elections. He doesn't actually know how important winning elections is. So, you know, this is where we're a little bit off, because if he recognized that winning elections was important, then he would realize that John Horgan had a much better year. And he would much prefer to be John Horgan, because John Horgan is running a majority government. He can do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't need to look back to the Greens or, you know, to the other parties to support him the way that Justin Trudeau
Corey
42:06
Steven, just, you know,
Corey
42:09
know, he won the election in 2020, not 2021, right? I don't
Carter
42:12
don't really care, really.
Carter
42:14
really. Who would you rather be, the guy who won an election or the guy who lost an election? This is my point. This is my point, Corey. I would much rather be the person who won an election, not the person who lost an election.
Zain
42:26
Okay, we're going split on that. Carter, I'm going to start with you for our next one. Okay, in one corner, you have as a head-to-head, Aaron
Zain
42:34
Aaron O'Toole, okay? With all the ups and downs that Aaron O'Toole has brought to the table. Option B.
Zain
42:42
second option oh you better you better be very careful you better be careful because option b for you is someone that you've given the nickname skippy because
Zain
42:52
because it's pure polyavra so
Zain
42:54
so do you want to be aaron o'toole or
Zain
42:57
or pure polyavra at the end of 2021 as we record early part of 2022 who do you want to be and who had the better year stephen carter oh
Carter
43:07
oh so you're asking asking me would I rather be the person who is the current leader of the opposition who has a chance of being the next prime minister or some guy that no one can even pronounce his last fucking name who
Carter
43:19
who who do I want to be Polyev
Carter
43:25
or do I want to be O'Toole I want to be O'Toole every time because Pierre aka Skippy uh
Carter
43:31
uh isn't going anywhere he in fact could have won our Not Going Anywhere prize had anybody decided to fucking burn his name in. Only the listeners stopped Pierre Pelliev from becoming the worst you know, the Person Not Going Anywhere winner this year. And believe me, I'd like nothing better than to ship his ass one way to Abbotsford.
Zain
43:54
Corey, is it that clear cut that you want to be Aaron O'Toole versus being Aaron O'Toole or Pierre
Corey
44:02
I honestly thought Carter was going to go a different way when he said, would I rather be the leader or
Corey
44:07
or the future leader?
Corey
44:09
That's what many would
Zain
44:09
would say. That's what many would say, Carter.
Corey
44:12
It does seem that Pierre Polyev has, you
Corey
44:15
you know, a sizable constituency within the CPC. And if the leadership were to become vacant, it is quite possible that he'd be able to make a go for it. He also didn't have a terrible year. I mean, his year started bad, right? He was dropped as the the shadow finance minister but he's back he's
Corey
44:33
he had a really dumb video about inflation but you know what inflation's on everyone's mind now right
Corey
44:39
right so there is an argument to be made that he's playing a bit of a long game and that he's playing to the hearts and minds of the base he needs to become leader of his party now
Corey
44:49
will he be leader of the conservatives nope i'm not really convinced because
Corey
44:54
well i tend to think that if the conservative party has any self-preservation instinct and let's
Corey
44:59
let's let's be clear there's not a lot of evidence they do yeah
Corey
45:02
they would let aaron o'toole have another run at this and i think in
Corey
45:06
in another election aaron o'toole could
Corey
45:08
could win because a certain fatigue will just settle in with the governing party after a while as as always happens so i mean we got a situation right now in the states where joe biden has more disapproved than approved and people are comparing him to a guy who literally tried to stage major coup. So, I mean, like, memories are short, and people get bored of what they get comfortable with.
Zain
45:29
Corey, I'm going to start with you for our last one.
Zain
45:32
Would you rather be, in this situation, let's talk about leadership
Zain
45:35
leadership in a different way, on the other side of the ledger, I should say.
Zain
45:40
Who had the better year? Who would you rather be? Would you rather be the
Zain
45:44
the Deputy Prime Minister and and finance minister of the country, Christopher Freeland, widely
Zain
45:49
widely heralded as being competent, as being up front and center on a myriad of files, has her wagon hitched to Justin Trudeau.
Zain
46:00
Would you rather be one Mark Carney, who slowly but surely, after his run in Edmonton Center, slowly but surely expanding his profile, staying out of the political mess?
Zain
46:15
Who had the better year Head to head Who would you rather be Corey Hogan Christopher Freeland Or Mark Carney
Corey
46:21
Who had the better year Is different than Who I'd rather want to be I would rather be Mark Carney Money baby
Corey
46:30
of Brookfield Assets Money
Corey
46:32
governor of the Bank of England Wealthy Able to do whatever he wants Able to take on causes like Climate change And do what he can
Corey
46:41
Because that just seems like A much better life Than the life of a finance minister, a public servant who is doing what they can in a very difficult job.
Corey
46:53
And by the way, you know, more than half the country probably hates her for it because of, you know, these partisan times that we live in here. But who had the better year in politics? Like who is better positioned here? I mean, at this point, it really starts to feel like Freeland is. I don't know that she has a mortal grip on it. It's interesting. I've run this through in my head. Like, what's this liberal leadership contest, whenever it happens, what's it going to look like? And right now, I, you know, it's going to be, this
Corey
47:19
this is such a cop out of an answer, but I feel like it
Corey
47:21
it could end up being the Justin Trudeau style quasi coronation, where there's one clear front runner and a challenger, right? Right. Or it could look like 2006 for the liberals where everyone and their dog was running and there were 13 people because people may say it's now or never is my chance. And one of the fascinating things about, in
Corey
47:43
in my opinion, what's happened with the liberal party in the past couple of decades here is we've
Corey
47:48
we've talked about this. The liberals historically traded between, you know, red liberal, blue
Corey
47:53
blue liberal, red liberal, blue liberal, and often, you know, Francophone, Anglophone kind
Corey
48:01
That all broke down in the 2000s. Like, it seriously broke down. And those standard, like, there's the other wing waiting, it's
Corey
48:08
it's just not really true the same way it used to be. And arguably, there's not really a strong, quote unquote, right wing of the liberal party anymore. more. So it starts to feel a bit like the divisions will be different.
Corey
48:20
And I don't have a strong handle on what those divisions will be. I'd actually be curious for our listeners to want to weigh in on this here. But all that said, everyone
Corey
48:29
everyone talks about Freeland as though she's the next one, right? She's already the minister of everything. She's deputy prime minister and finance. If Justin Trudeau were to step down tomorrow, and if the liberal party executive were to decide, we want a short leadership review. That's it. It's Freeland, right? But a year
Corey
48:48
year and a half from now, a couple of budgets from now, has to do some unpopular things as finance minister. Maybe the party decides we're
Corey
48:55
we're a little down in the polls. Maybe they decide renewal is served by a longer leadership contest, as sometimes parties decide.
Corey
49:02
Rarely works out that way, but then
Corey
49:04
then maybe anyone's gay.
Corey
49:08
I think your question was about the budget, Was it Zane? I kind of lost track.
Zain
49:10
track. It was not. It was who would you want to be? Who had the better year? You gave an answer, Carter. I think we're going to
Corey
49:15
to run a deficit this year.
Zain
49:17
Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Corey. Carter,
Zain
49:21
Krista Freeland, Mark Carney. Who would you rather want to be? And let's keep that political eye on it, right? So
Carter
49:26
So you don't want to just go with the who has the most money and that would make me happy thing?
Zain
49:31
Yeah, we can do a little bit of that so we know that answer.
Zain
49:36
had the better year politically? Who's better? Let me rephrase the question that Corey answered in full. Who's better positioned to
Zain
49:43
take that chair whenever it happens for a Liberal leader?
Carter
49:47
I think that Freeland is absolutely the person to beat at this stage. She is the minister of everything, as
Carter
49:54
as Corey said. I mean, I think that, you
Carter
49:58
you know, there are, you know, Corey's looking for divisions within the Liberal Party that don't exist. And he's trying to make those kind of divisions come through and asking our listeners, Our learned listeners? No, no, no, no, no, no. Our learned listeners? Have we not just bashed the listeners? Have we not just been thoroughly disappointed by the listeners today, Corey, and you're asking for their input? Newsflash, I don't want your input, listeners. I'm giving you my input. You're welcome. Send notes via Twitter. And when we were mourning someone's Twitter account, I assumed it was going to be mine. I'm really disappointed that it was real Donald Trump.
Corey
50:35
I thought it was going to be yours, too, pal.
Zain
50:36
Yeah, I know, right? Corey, you wanted to clarify. Go ahead and I've got a follow-up
Zain
50:40
I'm not even done
Corey
50:44
You're done. This is a eulogy now for your answer.
Corey
50:49
I don't think the liberals are a divided party. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that ultimately when we get to a leadership view, people are going to split on something. Roll
Corey
50:59
tape. And I don't know what that something is right now because there does seem to be a bit of a purge.
Carter
51:03
purge. Roll back the tape.
Corey
51:05
I'm the producer here.
Carter
51:06
you think is going to roll back that? We've told you so many that we don't do it on tape anymore. I don't know how many times. Can we get someone to splice the tape in?
Carter
51:13
I'll splice the tape in. Chester, can you splice in the tape? Thank you. Right here.
Carter
51:17
Mark it down on your calendar, okay? Stephen Carter said today Jeb Bush is the guy.
Corey
51:23
I mean, that Bush prediction. Don't
Carter
51:25
Don't do the Bush thing again.
Carter
51:28
I get killed on Twitter every time you do the Bush thing.
Zain
51:32
cory the perils of being the front runner this early when there is no when you're hitched to the existing person and there's no date is
Zain
51:41
is there is there's there's probably some like and i and i kind of bring it up because carter's whole like and i'm simplifying and being very reductive with your one of yours that
Carter
51:50
that sounds like my analysis right on but
Zain
51:53
carter you always say you know i there's there's some value in being you know uh not the front runner and being the person who has He has to catch
Zain
51:59
catch up and kind of take the race. So taking a
Corey
52:02
a broader historical view, Zane, I
Corey
52:04
say the idea that the prime minister is number two who the prime minister actually seems to like is
Corey
52:10
the person who gets the job is
Corey
52:13
is almost unprecedented in the Liberal Party. Yeah,
Corey
52:16
goes the other way.
Corey
52:17
Yeah, like it's the other
Carter
52:18
other faction. Turner was liked by Trudeau, wasn't he?
Corey
52:25
Yeah, I mean I was three when that all went down. I can't really recall hearing the stories. I don't think Trudeau was wild about Chrétien, for sure.
Carter
52:34
No, for sure. I think that that's what he pushed out.
Corey
52:36
I didn't think he was that smart. That's for sure. There's great stories about Trudeau and Chrétien, right?
Corey
52:41
right? Chrétien would be trying to make small talk with Trudeau on an airplane, and, you know,
Corey
52:46
Trudeau's just not interested. And Chrétien nudges him and says, look,
Corey
52:50
look, it's raining outside. And the prime minister, Trudeau
Corey
52:53
Trudeau at the time, icily says, oh, it's a good thing it's not not raining in here and goes back to his book and just ignores the guy i
Carter
53:01
like that i like i like kretchen being ignored it reminds me of me being on this podcast anyways
Carter
53:07
go ahead zane carter
Zain
53:10
you know let's project far in advance freeland is beatable despite and and the perils of being nominated by the existing leader of of having this high portfolio role like there seems to There must be a strategy path here that if you're, you know, even just 30,000 foot looking at the terrain in the liberal leadership race, however many years or months out, you must be saying, oh, there's a pathway here. What do you think? I
Carter
53:34
I think that, you
Carter
53:35
you know, the premise that we've put forward on the podcast is that we are closer to the next leadership than we are to
Carter
53:41
to the last leadership for the liberal party. That's the premise that we put forward. So that would put us within a, you know, a nine to 12 year window or whatever for for Trudeau. And the the question for a Carney or for someone who's out who's not Christian Freeland is, okay, how am I going to maintain my profile? So let's take it outside of Carney right now, because Carney seems to have a pretty good ability to get himself into the news all the time.
Carter
54:08
Let's make it about Dominic LeBlanc, just
Carter
54:11
just for shits and giggles. I don't think that Dominic would actually run for it, but let's
Carter
54:16
let's just assume that he was going for the leadership. He's not able to, even as like I would argue the number three cabinet minister in the federal government, he's still not able to generate the headlines that Chrystia Freeland can. And how would he get himself in a position where he could actually challenge her for the leadership? Trudeau has made it such, you know, the centralized fashion of the prime minister's office coupled with the desire to have the heir apparent may make it unchallengeable.
Carter
54:43
unchallengeable. Now, if you're doing an outsider race, it's probably easier for someone like Carney to come in and be running against the entire cabinet, right? Right. To run against all of Jason or all of Justin Trudeau's cabinet members and say, I am the I'm the only one who can resurrect this this moribund party that is that is slowly disintegrated around the cult of the leadership of Justin Trudeau. And that might be the only way that you could possibly take out of Chris Chiffinland.
Zain
55:12
Corey, did you want to
Corey
55:12
to add to that before we move on?
Corey
55:14
No, I think that's right. The thing about leaderships, and this goes back to the point about divisions, is at some point, people are going to say, both
Corey
55:21
both actively and just it's going to occur, like, what are the cleaves here? What divides these different people, whether it's two candidates or 20 candidates? dates and if you're mark carney in a situation like that and it really is a bit of a free-for-all you know a royal rumble his odds go significantly up because he gets to run as the outsider assuming a lot of these people are former cabinet ministers or current cabinet ministers i guess in a scenario where the liberals you
Corey
55:46
you know are running this leadership contest on their own volition uh while they're still in government so
Corey
55:52
so that's that's interesting right but but stephen's right like Like when you are the sitting prime minister, if Justin Trudeau continues to hold on to this and decides on his own when he's going to go, not really pushed, and he still controls the national committee, national council, all of those bodies that set the various reasons
Corey
56:14
reasons or ways that the leadership contest is run, well then, I mean, shit.
Corey
56:19
shit. I mean, how many times have we said on this show, you set the rules and you set the outcome. come and and so it would be very i don't want to overstate it like it
Corey
56:28
would be hard for me to imagine it would be all that difficult for
Corey
56:32
for them to orchestrate freeland being able to move from number two to number one if the number one is interested in that as well let's
Zain
56:37
let's move it on to our final segment our final segment waiting for the ball to drop it is time for new year's resolutions and stephen carter here's how we do this we do this every year every holiday day spectacular. It's exactly the same. You are crafting the single index card that goes into the blazer pocket or the wallet or the back pocket for each of these leaders. We'll do alternating back and forth. So Stephen Carter, the index card for Jagmeet Singh, what does it say for him as part of his New Year's resolution? Please make it better than the answer that you gave me on on the radio show that we recorded last week. There was many people across the country disappointed with your answers. Stephen Carter, I'm going to give you an opportunity to write the index card that Jagmeet Singh keeps in his blazer. What does it say? Do
Carter
57:30
Do more TikToks. Oh,
Zain
57:31
Oh, my fucking God, Jesus
Carter
57:35
No, what it says is, what it says is, carve out a place left of the Liberals. Find an actual place left of the Liberals that enable you to be, you know, the heart and soul of labor, the heart and soul of the working people, you know, that don't allow you to be kind of always consistently outflanked by the liberals in $10 daycare. You know, make the next great idea the great idea that's going to be implemented and remind people that daycare, childcare, healthcare, these are things that came from the New Democrats, co-opted by the liberals, and the next great policy ideas are going to come from the New Democratic Party. That
Carter
58:19
That should be right there on his index card.
Zain
58:24
Corey, the index card that goes into the back pocket of one Aaron
Zain
58:29
Aaron O'Toole. What does it need to say for Aaron O'Toole? What is he writing on that index card that is his compass, his North shortstar for 2022, his resolution, his guiding principle, it could be a strategy, a tactic, a saying. What does it need to say for Aaron O'Toole?
Corey
58:49
Yeah, mine's not so different from Carter's. It's find a reason to exist. Make sure it resonates, make sure Trudeau can't steal it and stick with it. And when we talk about where I disagree with Carter is I don't think it's just left of the liberals. You can't just be the liberals in a a hurry because the whole canadian vibe is let's
Corey
59:07
let's compromise let's balance it's like that old joke cbc ran this contest like finish the sentence as canadian as blank just like as american as apple pie right and the winning entry was as canadian as possible under the circumstances like we're people who like to find our way to the middle uh it's in our nature we compare ourselves to the united states we we act moderately accordingly right so i don't think it's a matter matter of just saying it's everything he wants, but on a faster timeline, you've got to find something different about your party. You've got to have a reason why if we were all struck dumb tomorrow, somebody would say, you know what, we really need a political party that does this. Because if you're just the liberals in a hurry, you're just a faction
Zain
59:46
faction of the liberal party.
Corey
59:48
party. And ultimately, your electoral support will show accordingly. So I don't think that's what the NDP are. I think that there is a core to the NDP that is different and can be different from the liberals, but it needs to be better articulated. So find a reason to exist and
Corey
1:00:02
then tell the world about it.
Zain
1:00:05
Stephen Carter, the index card that goes into the jacket pocket for one Alberta Premier Jason Kenney. What
Zain
1:00:13
What is he writing on that? What is his guiding principle? He's got a leadership review coming up. He's got some caucus management stuff. He's obviously got an eye towards an an election in 2023. But if you were crafting that index card for one Jason Kenney, what would it be saying?
Carter
1:00:30
It's about the polls, not about the party.
Carter
1:00:32
The party will follow the polls. So get your polling numbers back into reasonable and the party will follow it. So that means that you cannot be worried about the backbenchers that want you to walk away from the COVID issues or to bring in the hard line with the nurses or the teachers. It's
Carter
1:00:50
It's not about that. It's about being popular with And to be popular with the people, that means he must move to the middle. To Corey's point that we are, you know, centrists and Canadians and compromisers. This is the time that Jason Kenney must be able to reflect those compromises to the Alberta people. And he's done it a couple of times. He does it on the economy. The economy is actually really strong on it. And if he was to take the economy and say, we've weathered the economic storm and now we are going to make sure that Albertans stay employed. And that means keeping nurses employed. It means keeping doctors employed. It means keeping teachers employed. And it means keeping you employed. That's the focus. And, you know, I think that he could really make a dent in the NDP's lead, because there's still an awful lot of people that have moved to undecided instead of back to the NDP.
Zain
1:01:44
And Corey Hogan, to finish it off, the index card for one Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. It is his North Star. It is his New
Zain
1:01:54
New Year's resolution, a strategy, a tactic, a phrase, a saying. It could be anything. What
Zain
1:02:00
What does Justin Trudeau have in his breast pocket as he combats
Zain
1:02:03
combats through 2022? 22 ask
Corey
1:02:06
yourself why you still want this job and
Corey
1:02:09
then do that right
Corey
1:02:11
right what i'm finding from the liberals is it feels a bit drifty right now and they need to bring back a sense of mission and that mission's not going to come from him having a committee put together a bunch of policy wedges that he can then get the conservatives on right what is missing from his government that he had that you felt in 2015 was an excitement to do the role and to bring all of these things in and get shit done. And he sort of suffered from what so many politicians suffer from, which is
Corey
1:02:38
perspective, too much perspective. You get these big jobs and you start to realize the issues are more complicated. Maybe the people who didn't want to change, maybe they're not right, but maybe they got a bit of a point. Maybe you got to slow a
Corey
1:02:47
down. Maybe you got to do these things a bit more orderly. Maybe you've actually got to take the people to court you don't want to take to court because of the precedent thing. And that's not easy to communicate, but that's something you got got to do. And so for him, I mean, the
Corey
1:03:00
the catalyst of that spark, that's
Corey
1:03:04
that's got to come from the leader. And if he doesn't have that, then the Liberal Party as a whole is going to drift, and it's going to find itself in a snowbank on the side of the road. So find
Corey
1:03:12
find it, articulate it. If you don't have it, go.
Zain
1:03:17
And Stephen Carter, as we always end the holiday spectacular, the New Year's resolutions that you have for one another what new year's resolution would you have for one cory hogan what would you want him to do and of course pertaining to the podcast right this is where we add a healthy dose of uh of supportive criticism uh to really make ourselves better so for cory hogan his new year's resolution what would it be steven carter i
Carter
1:03:41
i would like him frankly to become more supportive of the flare airline sponsorship that
Carter
1:03:47
is the the one thing that he He and I continue to fight over. It's a bone of contention between the two of us. And frankly, I'd like that bone of contention to be gone and we can resume just bitching about you, Zane. I
Corey
1:03:59
I did like it more when we could just bond on how much we hate Zane. Yeah.
Zain
1:04:03
like bridges are being built. Corey Hogan, in your resolution that you would hand over to one Stephen Carter for him to crumple up on his desk and never read, what would it be?
Corey
1:04:14
Well, I mean, I would change basically everything about Stephen. even but if i had to pick just
Corey
1:04:19
just one thing i guess it would be that he gave a better answer to that premier question that you just asked him i
Corey
1:04:25
thought that was pretty bad okay
Zain
1:04:26
okay cory do you want to do you want to do you want to do it because i feel like i feel like that is the most the least subtle way just fucking tell us what you wanted to say just do it you
Zain
1:04:37
know it's an interesting one and
Corey
1:04:39
I can understand why somebody
Corey
1:04:40
somebody is. I can understand why somebody. I can understand why
Carter
1:04:44
why somebody. Brought to you by Flair Airlines. Thanks again to Flair Airlines. Not
Zain
1:04:49
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Zain
1:04:50
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