Transcript
Zain
0:03
Well, hi there. Happy holidays, strategist listeners. The time has come for your non-denominational, super-inclusive holiday spectacular.
Zain
0:12
Grab a bean bag. Fill it with beans. Sift by a fire. Grab a child, maybe two. Just make sure they're yours. Put on a mask and grab some eggnog. Now take off that mask and drink some of that eggnog, because it's time for the strategist's holiday spectacular. My name is Zane Velji, and with me as always, like every single year, Corey Hogan, Stephen Carter. Guys, what's going on?
Zain
0:39
A holiday is happy when
Zain
0:41
we are together, celebrating every single year.
Zain
0:44
Are you guys looking forward to this? We've got so many holiday spectacular traditions that we only bring out this time of year. I think it's going to be quite the special episode. I
Corey
0:54
I look forward to this every year. This is when we actually get to break outside of our very rigid format. I
Carter
0:58
I mean, and this year is especially special because we're not together, which
Carter
1:02
which makes me happier. I feel like being
Carter
1:06
apart from one another is a much better way we should celebrate our holidays all the time. I mean,
Corey
1:12
COVID has been a real blessing. It
Zain
1:13
It was weird last year when you made us all come together at 930 at night and had matching onesies for us while we recorded. It was extremely, extremely strange. and uh and i don't don't mean to speak don't
Zain
1:26
don't mean to speak for cory uh marginally uncomfortable it
Corey
1:29
it was i'm gonna tell you carter most uh onesie pajamas don't have flaps on both sides like that i don't know where you got them i
Corey
1:36
i don't know why you got them i don't know why you thought they were an appropriate gift it's it's like remember that old commercial of the guy who brought the milk in every day and his uh no
Carter
1:44
no no one remembers that commercial what the hell is milk
Zain
1:48
milk milk or milk milk i don't know no no what the hell is milk i'm sorry what yeah
Zain
1:54
yeah is he an american now like where's that accent does he mean milk no i'm actually very confused
Zain
2:01
no why are you laughing
Carter
2:04
laughing what are you laughing about i don't know i don't
Carter
2:07
rescue us okay that's
Zain
2:09
that's fine i mean i i mean unlike every other episode the banter on our holiday spectacular it's free form it's supposed to be lively and we're not living up to it but do not worry because we've got our first segment, like always. Every single year we do it. We do it first to calibrate us. Our first segment, How White. Now, this is the segment that you've all been waiting for. If you're new to the show, welcome. If you're new to the Holiday Spectacular, welcome. This is a very simple segment. You know, there's been only one surefire way to predict if we're going to have a white Christmas, and it has been through this 10-question test that we give Stephen Carter each and every year. And here's how it works. For the past 11 years, if Stephen scores under a 5 on this 10-question test, regardless of geography, we've had a white Christmas. It is a surefire predictor of how white a Christmas it is. And the way we predict how white a Christmas it is is we understand how white Stephen Carter is. So it's effectively called how white for that very reason. I mean, a longtime listener, you know that. So here's how it works. We've got 10 questions that I asked Stephen Carter. They're actually relatively simple questions about individuals in this current 2020 climate, most of them political. And Carter has to give me an answer. He gets, he starts at zero, and he loses half a point for, he loses a full point if he gets the answer wrong. he loses
Zain
3:40
loses half a point okay if he pronounces the name of the person wrong okay how white so the questions are relatively easy until you get to uh a position where steven of course as you have heard on the show historically struggles with the pronunciation of some of our our most common melania
Zain
4:05
uh you wish it was going to be that easy i got cory of course now i don't think it's a surprise uh to most people on this show you are a bit of a know-it-all uh so you are going to be both uh keeping score uh as well as correcting steven uh if he does make a mistake but of course you are just the guy who said milk to me so i don't know what the fuck this is
Zain
4:25
already deteriorating that's pretty white very quickly no it's pretty wrong okay there's definitely
Zain
4:34
no way so here's what we're gonna do carter you start at zero okay if
Zain
4:39
if you nail it both the answer and the pronunciation you stay at zero if you get the whole question wrong minus one if you get the question right but pronounce it wrong minus a half if we are below minus five white christmas all around i don't care where you're listening to us from if you're in dubai you are gonna get snow okay that is what's gonna happen this is a surefire way to make this happen cory do you Do you have any comments about your role before we move on? Carter seems at the ready, like always.
Corey
5:07
think I've got an awful lot of risk of being the guy who does even worse than Stephen Carter today.
Carter
5:12
this is going to be good.
Zain
5:13
This is good. Here we go. Stephen Carter, question number one. On November 3rd, she became the first woman VP of the United States. Kamala
Zain
5:25
We're going to give you that. You stay at zero. Yes. Do you agree?
Carter
5:30
That was a good one. I was ready for that. I was ready for that one.
Zain
5:33
Carter, they do get a little bit tougher. Question number two. As Canada continued to deal with COVID, it also made a decision to boost its immigration levels to historic counts, led by this individual, Canada's immigration minister.
Zain
5:52
don't even know if you know the answer.
Carter
5:53
I don't have the answer. I'm disappointed in myself, my family.
Zain
5:57
Canada's immigration minister. Corey, step in. Well,
Corey
6:00
Well, I know the answer. I don't know the pronunciation. Marco Mendicino.
Zain
6:06
Carter. This is supposed to be the Stephen Carter test. That's
Carter
6:11
and a half down, isn't it?
Zain
6:13
We're down by one. We're down
Zain
6:16
one. Corey, you're keeping score there because that's
Carter
6:17
that's something I'll know. You brought in a scoring system that no one understands. It's
Zain
6:22
It's golf scores. This
Carter
6:23
is very much on yours. No, I like it. The
Zain
6:25
The more negative the colder they're by the snow. This has worked for the past decade, Carter. I don't know what you mean I've introduced this. No,
Carter
6:31
No, you're not introducing it. You're bringing it back, but it's good.
Zain
6:34
Okay, question number three. This Bronx congresswoman has had another banner year from handily winning re-election to becoming the de facto leader of the congressional progressive movement and the leader of the quote-unquote squad. Who is she, Stephen Carter?
Zain
6:56
Oh, you got two out of those three parts of her day, Brog. did i do uh wrong
Carter
7:00
wrong two out of
Zain
7:01
of three wrong cory
Zain
7:03
cory do you want to give it a go yeah
Corey
7:05
yeah sure alexandria ocasio-cortez i
Corey
7:08
i think it's ocasio
Zain
7:08
ocasio not ocasio but look at you but you're you're he he is the malca guy so there we go this
Zain
7:15
the blind leading the blind or as we say as we've said the white leading the white here we go question number four steven carter speaking of white the former mayor of south bend indiana this spring chicken was appointed as transport secretary in joe biden's a new administration?
Carter
7:30
Oh, this one's easy. Pete Buttigieg.
Zain
7:33
That is correct. Yes!
Zain
7:34
Yes! That's pretty good. Nicely done, Stephen Carter. You're at minus two. Anything below minus five, we're seeing a white Christmas across the globe. Just to bring people up to speed, those who have perhaps missed the first part of our first segment, How White? Question number five. This Nigerian-Canadian lawyer and politician is the current Minister of Justice and Solicitor General of Alberta.
Zain
7:56
We're giving it to him. i think so nicely done carter all righty we're moving on to question number six um question number six after numerous numerous political profiles and praise this new zealand prime minister was praised for her handling of covid oh
Carter
8:13
oh jacinda arden are
Zain
8:16
are we giving to him cory it's
Zain
8:17
it's ardern isn't it ardern ah
Zain
8:21
pretty close carter i
Carter
8:22
i know i mean i i'm doing okay i'm taking it that's a half point off that's only that's
Zain
8:27
that's good that's good uh yeah well well it's just time for growth there's time for growth on the show which is which is the best part of it question number seven the former surgeon general of the united states he's now leading joe biden's task force on covid um
Zain
8:48
that is that is not right did
Zain
8:54
The correct answer is Vivek Murthy.
Carter
8:57
Okay, yeah, I wasn't even close. That's the only person I knew. That's the only person I knew. I feel bad about my, you know, you know
Carter
9:04
know what I love about this holiday tradition is the core of it is making me look bad. And that's what holidays are all about. I like it. It's good.
Zain
9:13
Corey, what is our score? Are we at minus three with Stephen? We're at minus three right now. Okay, so we're getting to the white Christmas on Howl White. white uh stephen carter our next question question number eight this
Zain
9:24
this former obama staffer was a campaign manager for joe biden's successful 2020 election bid is
Carter
9:31
is it general mally dylan that
Zain
9:33
that is correct we're
Carter
9:34
we're cory are we still
Corey
9:35
still at minus three we're
Corey
9:36
we're still at minus three but i think he's getting a little braggadocious so well you know what this
Zain
9:40
this is as you know how white is a segment that is all about redemption as as people make new year's you know resolutions and such so carter this
Zain
9:50
this Bronx congresswoman has had another banner year to becoming
Zain
9:56
becoming the de facto leader of the congressional progressive and
Zain
10:00
leader of the squad who
Carter
10:04
here we go here we go here we go here we go this time I've got it this time I've got it Corey's
Carter
10:09
Corey's rooting for me I can feel his positive energy energy here
Carter
10:12
here we go alexandria
Zain
10:20
think we have to give it to him i think we have nicely done carter you know
Carter
10:24
cory helped me out there thanks cory he was mouthing the words along with it uh i could see it you know him him mouthing it along and it just spurred me on to greatness so
Zain
10:33
here we go our final question as we do every single year this is the one that That calibrates us for next year. Stephen Carter, to ensure we have some progress, what is the name of the host of this podcast?
Zain
10:57
Nice try. You've had that answer four years straight. Thank you so much for not knowing my name, let alone knowing how to pronounce it. But congratulations to those who are a fan of brown Christmases. That is what you are getting across the world. Stephen Carter sits at a minus three on how white. An improvement, Stephen. I mean, those years where you're minus nine, minus eight, we're just getting blizzards across the deserts of California and Arizona. Much improved. This is nicely done.
Carter
11:28
People are getting canceled everywhere in the world, and I'm making a real effort now not to be. so this is this is a step forward for me i used to not care if i got canceled uh now i now i kind of do so it's a big step forward making
Zain
11:40
making amends and we're moving it on to our next segment our winners and losers steven carter this is where we get serious this is where we get strategic this is where we get analytical so uh it's generally when we don't include you but it's fine we will no we will for this this
Zain
11:57
is good carter let's start here this is where we always we start?
Zain
12:01
Tell me your story of the year for 2020. Could be America, could be Canada, could be across the world. What was it for you and why?
Carter
12:08
Well, I want to do two stories of the year. Can I do two stories of the year? I think you have to do COVID. I mean, it's fundamentally changed everything. I mean, not even just the way that we record this podcast, but, you know, every day I'm following the COVID news. I'm paying attention to the COVID news. I think it has to be considered are the biggest story of the year but then i i really want to include trump losing uh you know if in 2016 uh you know when we were doing the pod we said that trump winning was the biggest story of the year i think him losing has to also be the biggest story of the year so i want two big stories of the year because uh i think that um
Carter
12:43
um you know they they are one upon the other and arguably um they're
Carter
12:49
they're linked also right like does does donald trump given how close it was does Does Donald Trump actually win if COVID hasn't come or maybe COVID propped him up? I honestly, I honest to God, I don't know. But those are my two stories of the year. Massive.
Zain
13:04
Carter, Donald Trump predict for me in the zeitgeist in 2021 or less so than we anticipate? What do you think?
Carter
13:12
Oh, man, how do I not let what I hope dictate
Carter
13:14
dictate what I want to say? Like, I think he's going to I hope he's gone. I hope he's out of here. But, you know, that's just that's just hope. That's blind ass faith. This is I suspect that given the way he's leaving the White House, he has no intention of of going off towards the sunset. You know, working for Habitat for Humanity is not in his future.
Zain
13:38
Corey, same question to you. Story of the year. Carter put out COVID and Trump losing. Respond to those or insert your own or perhaps a slightly different shift. What do you think? What's the story of 2020 for you?
Corey
13:50
I think you would just have to be hopelessly contrarian if you chose anything besides COVID for 2020 story of the year. Even Donald Trump, the way that election played out, that is so deeply tied into what happened with COVID and, you know, the consequences of having to vote remotely and all of that just fed into some of those narratives that Donald Trump was able to spin. Maybe he actually would have been in a better position. God help us. Maybe he would have won if it wasn't COVID. You know, the U.S. economy was doing gangbusters. That does tend to to be a bit of a leading indicator there but you know it's not just that it's the story of the year now living through it that's that's obvious and that's self-evident um but how is this not going to be the story of 2020 going forward as well the consequences all of the things that happened here good and bad over the past bit let's take the good we managed to create a vaccine from scratch in a year that's amazing and you know it really tells us the leaps that scientific uh you know discovery have taken. But then on the bad side, all of the money we've spent on the more ambiguous side, it's really changed people's relationship with government. When we talk about politics, when we talk about the fundamental subject matter of this podcast, people have different expectations of government as a result of 2020. It's going to change the way we look at a lot of things for an awful long time because no longer can we really say, yeah,
Corey
15:10
yeah, that level of intervention seems seems unlikely. We've seen intervention beyond what I ever thought was going to be practical in a short-term period. So when everything sort of settles,
Corey
15:22
we're still going to be thinking about how dramatically things shifted as a result of COVID-19 and how it forced governments to work together, how it forced governments to react, how it laid bare how hollow a certain brand of conservatism is, this notion that we'll just step out. You're all on your own. You'll figure it out. we can trust you to make right decisions in aggregate. No, it turns out we actually need to collectively make decisions and then enforce them through the state in order for anything to get done.
Corey
15:50
And there are serious consequences to that revelation. It would be crazy
Corey
15:56
to say anything about COVID.
Zain
15:59
Corey, I'm going to stick with you. Who's your 2020 winner of the year, a person or a group of individuals, a movement, an organization? Who kind of won, if we can put put it that way 2020 in your mind um
Corey
16:18
the people who won 2020 kind of building on that last question it is is kind of social democracy i think i think more interventionist governments will ultimately what
Corey
16:29
what happened this year in about a dozen different ways uh you know from the obvious donald trump lost to the the more ephemeral you know all of a sudden we have have expectations of government that are very different it is considered a woefully inadequate government response in the united states that they're now sending six hundred dollar checks to every citizen you know i mean
Corey
16:48
this is this is uh you know our relationship with government fundamentally changed this year carter
Zain
16:54
group individual movement your winner for 2020 well
Carter
16:59
well i'll tell you i have it in two categories because i have a should have won so the should have ones are the scientists uh this was a year of science this was a year of medical advancement this was even if you look at the death rates from covid and how they shifted over time uh you know just watching doctors adapt their treatment you know science science and scientists should be the winner uh for the year but unfortunately it was tiktokers um
Carter
17:23
um tiktokers won the year uh so that the tiktokers are the giant winners uh we now have uh celebrities with tens of millions of followers that we didn't even know we're celebrities so uh tick tockers won the year zane you
Corey
17:37
you don't even know who sean mendez is so i mean what are we talking about here yeah
Carter
17:41
yeah no but uh i do know tick tock that's
Zain
17:45
that's right people are people at home are spitting out their milk because they they have no idea just the fact that you don't know who sean mendez is what the hell carter carter i'm sticking with you i'm gonna put the pressure on a group individuals or a movement losers of the year who was that for you oh
Carter
18:04
oh losers of the year again i have a want to name them but they're much stronger than they began the year i think and that's um the
Carter
18:12
the republicans in the united states uh conservatism in general i mean i think that this should be to cory's point about how covet has changed our interaction with government um you know we have foundationally changed the way that we we view government and how government intervention works and that should be a death knell for the conservative movement um you know that that shift that was happening that uh governments were moving to the right and you could see it uh you know in regimes from you
Carter
18:38
you know turkey to great britain to the united states uh where
Carter
18:42
where right wingism was moving forward and you could even see far right initiatives with uh european far rights and neo-nazis uh coming to the forefront and the same happening in the united states um that should have ended this year because suddenly if ever it was indicated that we needed a government. If ever it was shown
Carter
18:59
shown that government is important, it was this year. But for some reason,
Carter
19:04
they're like a cockroach that has seen the apocalypse and it's just solely grown stronger. And that's where we are with the right wing. I think that anybody who suggests that the right wing is dead would be missing the entire plot for 2020.
Zain
19:25
Corey, you're losers for 2020. Who were they?
Corey
19:28
well i don't think it's conservatives at least not conservative parties donald trump lost but the republican party actually made gains relative to where they were previous um libertarians
Corey
19:38
libertarians maybe that's obviously looking less less elegant but you know again in some ways the the obvious answer is the right answer here the losers of the year are are all of us like the fact that we are now stuck at home for month nine and we've probably got nine to go before of all of this this is a lost year for so many people and
Corey
19:57
and god help you if it was one of those formative years um you know your kids at a certain age i was thinking my four-year-old most
Corey
20:04
most of his life that he can remember has been under lockdown that's
Corey
20:08
that's crazy and this is a real downer and i think if you dropped somebody from december 2019 into december 2020 they would be absolutely horrified and we are just you know we're the frog in the water that was slowly boiling because it's pretty horrifying we sit back and we've gotten used to it. But the
Corey
20:26
the things that are so normal to us now are so deeply abnormal. And I think
Corey
20:31
think we're all going to have the scars for it for some time to come.
Zain
20:35
Corey, I'm going to stick with you on this. Rising star, rising star as a group, rising star as a politician, someone that you are going to keep your eye on in 2021, whether here in Canada or or in the United States, which group or individual or politician or movement is that for you?
Corey
20:55
It's James Muller, who is the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, because apparently that is a launching pad to become a cabinet secretary within very few months. So James, my eyes are on you. I believe in you. This is, you know, two
Corey
21:11
two years from now, you could be 14 heartbeats from the presidency go
Corey
21:15
go get him buddy 14
Zain
21:17
14 night breach from the presidency i love that title for uh for uh carter's book uh about this podcast of course for uh you know this is uh very much a parallel to the united states uh carter you're a rising star for 2021 who are you keeping an eye out person movement group individual
Zain
21:34
individual who would who is it for you bts
Carter
21:40
yeah the korean pop yeah no we get it stars bts i think they're gonna be big right
Zain
21:46
right fucking guy doesn't know who sean mendez is but literally it's just googling
Zain
21:54
yeah thank you carter for your no i mean you know
Carter
21:58
know what you know what should be big um liberalism should be big uh the idea of uh of progressivism should be big those things should be winning i don't think they're going to but that should be bigger in 2021 21 that it's going to be um oh um guardians guardians are also going to be big uh the space force uh guardians they're going to be huge everybody's going to want a space force uh uniform for halloween is
Zain
22:24
is is that a mandalorian thing that i'm not aware of no
Corey
22:26
no man haven't you paid they they decided that they were going to call just like you know like people in the navy are called seamen and people in the air force are airmen they
Corey
22:34
they decided that people in the space force are going to be called guardians that's not a joke that's a real thing that was decided in the past
Carter
22:42
so they're going to be guardians of the galaxy this is very exciting fucking incredible
Zain
22:45
incredible i had no idea all righty guys let's move it on to our next segment our next segment forgotten but not gone it is time for the eulogies of 2020 the political eulogies cory i'm bringing you in uh we like every year have a list of individuals that are forgotten forgotten but not gone unfortunately they're forgotten from our political zeitgeist they have died a political death and they just not have had proper send-offs and this is where you guys come in you are going to craft the proper send-off for the next five or six folks that we have on the list and cory i'm going to start with you this is rapid fire this is off the top of your head this is an individual who lost in 2019 but his send-off was in 2020 i'm talking about none none other than Andrew Scheer. This is a guy that is forgotten, but he's not gone. He's lost his standing in the Conservative Party. He's lost his ability to become the next Prime Minister of Canada. Corey Hogan, to you first. Please, a eulogy for Andrew Scheer.
Corey
23:50
it seems like just yesterday you were not graduating from university, not actually employed at an insurance company. company and fumbling your way through your first term as an MP.
Corey
24:01
From there, perplexingly, you rocketed to become the youngest speaker in memory and actually somewhat competent before trading in all of those chips and your credibility in the process to win this Pyrrhic victory called the Conservative Party leadership. Now, we
Corey
24:16
we felt for you. We wanted to see you do good. You were running a campaign against, you literally lost a campaign against a man in blackface. Can I just break eulogy for a minute? Like, what is going on there? uh but you did and a lot of people in in your situation would have taken the high ground nodded out smiled wished everyone well and
Corey
24:37
and you didn't and by doing that you afforded us an example that we can point to and tell our children what not to do for years and years to come and andrew i'm so thankful for you for that uh
Corey
24:46
uh because it takes real class to lose with such gracelessness And for that, I
Corey
24:53
I bestow upon you this dirt to put on your political coffin.
Corey
24:57
coffin. It is good, wholesome,
Corey
25:00
wholesome, hearty dirt from Saskatchewan.
Corey
25:04
And by that I mean, it's actually Ottawa dirt because that is what you're most comfortable with. And we wish you well. Please drop us a line from the United States when you get there in about six months when the border reopens.
Zain
25:16
Beautiful, as always Poetic, to the point Very nicely done, Corey A eulogy for Andrew Scheer Forgotten but not gone Stephen Carter, also forgotten but not gone this year
Zain
25:29
We Charity An institution that was the heartbeat Of Canada's philanthropic sector Of course Entangled in political drama Political scandal Stephen Carter, top of your head Over to you, the eulogy for We Charity
Carter
25:46
let no good deed go unpunished saith the lord that
Carter
25:50
that is why we have gathered here today
Carter
25:52
to celebrate those who've tried to what
Corey
25:55
what bible do you have is
Carter
25:57
that not what you say is that not right i think oh
Carter
26:00
oh man i may be quoting the republican bible i'm sorry i need to give you
Zain
26:04
you one of my books by the way let
Zain
26:06
me talk to you about uh islam yeah
Carter
26:08
yeah so you heard let no
Carter
26:09
no good good deed go unpunished is the the rule of uh canadian uh politics sadly the we charity uh did not know that when they left the uh the the charitable good work sector and and entered into the political sector um to get themselves some hundreds of millions of dollars uh that they got to leave behind that they never really got the access and uh they didn't get to help anyone one, which is just tragic, because that is
Carter
26:38
is the core of their raison
Carter
26:41
raison d'etre, how much real estate investment has been lost by the good country of Canada.
Zain
26:48
Thank you. Thank you, Stephen, for that amazing eulogy about entangled corporate structures and foundations with the same name as their parent corporations. Thank you, Stephen, really appreciate it.
Zain
26:59
Corey, you have got a way with eulogizing the conservatives on this program. And I want to give you another eulogy, because this one was indeed in 2020. One Peter McKay. This is an individual that left the zeitgeist, entered the zeitgeist, left it again with a bit of a debt and a bit of his head between his knees, so to speak, leaving. Let's put an
Zain
27:27
Yeah, okay, there you go. Corey Hoggett, the forgotten but not gone 2020 eulogy for Peter McKay.
Corey
27:37
you all for coming. I'd like to read you from the book of Ezekiel, chapter 23, verse 20.
Corey
27:44
She lusted after her lovers whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose omission was like that of horses.
SPEAKER_02
28:12
let him continue. Peter McKay
Corey
28:18
a man who did not lack ambition.
Corey
28:22
pursued those genitals of donkeys, metaphorically speaking, of course, throughout his entire life. whether it was while trying to trade away the progressive conservative party to Stephen Harper to create an unbeatable political machine or
Corey
28:35
or when it was walking into an empty net situation to become leader of the conservative party
Corey
28:41
him and his emissions like horses never failed to overwhelm any scene that he was in but
Corey
28:47
but this was that rare time when
Corey
28:50
when donkey genitals were not what was called for and
Corey
28:53
and I think Peter,
Corey
28:55
well you now leave the scene you
Corey
28:58
don't leave our hearts, you don't leave our minds I mean you leave most of our minds and you were never in our hearts but
Corey
29:06
you won't go, why
Corey
29:07
why won't you go
Zain
29:12
poetic once again just a specialty, the Corey Hogan this is why we wait the entire year it's for Corey to eulogize those that are forgotten but not gone on. Stephen Carter, a little bit more abstract one for you, because I know you like to take the windy path with abstraction. So also gone in 2020 or forgotten, but not gone.
Zain
29:33
Fiscal restraint, not the not the banner year for fiscal restraint in 2020. Please, your eulogy for where fiscal restraints has has been forgotten.
Carter
29:46
There was a time when liberals came together with with Conservatives, to celebrate all
Carter
29:54
that is fiscal conservatism.
Carter
29:57
When Paul Martin ran a budget process
Carter
29:59
process that was essentially created by Michael Wilson,
Carter
30:03
we could all get together, all
Carter
30:05
all as one, where we recognize the evils of deficits, the evils of long-term debt, and we would show our fiscal constraint by bringing forth a process
Carter
30:19
process and policy that would make Canada stronger.
Carter
30:23
But that has died, died by the hand by which it was brought into being. It was killed by the very liberals that made it so.
Carter
30:31
The liberals brought in their new spend, spend, spend strategy instead of simply spend, stop, spend strategy. and it has made Canada a happier place for who has not taken their CERB money and invested it this Christmas in the PS5.
Carter
30:49
I know my family is looking forward to getting the PS5 as a result of their CERB money and, well, that which we haven't spent on fentanyl, frankly, we have put in place with the PS5. So here's
Carter
31:02
here's to the death of fiscal conservatism and fiscal constraint.
Carter
31:08
you'll not be forgotten yeah
Corey
31:10
yeah well listen i first met fiscal restraint in 1993 and i could tell even then that he was pretty toxic but you know there was something pretty alluring about him you know this idea that all of a sudden uh that these people who were never talking to me before because i was hanging out with fiscal restraint was saying i was a pretty cool guy you know all of a sudden i've got c-pack talking my praises once again just the
Zain
31:32
the just the beauty i love it cory i know you You stepped in, but as appropriate as this is, I'll give you another abstraction to finish us off here. In
Zain
31:43
In 2020, we also had lost something else politically, which was in the United States, Republicans lost a spine, or their collective spine. So please, Corey, the 2020 forgotten but not gone eulogy on the Republican spine.
Corey
32:01
I feel like this is giving a eulogy for Bigfoot. it this this didn't exist you're
Corey
32:07
you're asking me to give a eulogy to something uh why don't you just ask me to give a eulogy to the show touched
Corey
32:13
touched by an angel like any of those characters who died on a weekly basis it's about as real as that you know and it's it's as comforting as that to think that that at one point existed but uh cory
Zain
32:22
cory next uh on the list is a eulogy for the every character untouched by an angel i'm so glad that you you you
Zain
32:31
made mention of that well
Carter
32:33
well i'm just really I'm really glad that this year, Corey got the question for the Republican spine, because I've had it the last three years. And I think that he's, he's done a lot better than I did.
Zain
32:44
agree. And I'm glad Carter that this year, you also did not jump back into what you called, hey, there's nothing offensive about this. This is just my black preacher vibe, which, which I'm so glad that you did not do this year. So thank you.
Corey
32:56
you. Touched by an Angel ran for 211 episodes over
Corey
33:00
over nine seasons until its conclusion on April 27th, 2003. Okay.
Zain
33:08
you have anything else
Zain
33:09
other than the first one?
Corey
33:11
That's about all I need. I vaguely recall that each episode revolved around a case, and I think somebody died each episode, so it's safe to assume there were 211 deaths in
Carter
33:22
in there. Maybe I'm wrong. I think it was more than that. Well,
Corey
33:25
I don't know if they died each episode. Actually,
Corey
33:28
I think they might have rarely died.
Carter
33:31
We're allowed to have this much touching?
Zain
33:34
Let's move it on to our next segment, our next segment on our holiday spectacular, our head-to-head. Once again, another holiday spectacular tradition, head-to-head. Here's how it works. I rotate between you, Stephen, and Corey. And you guys tell me, between the two people I've listed, who had the better year? year uh and and and you justify why would this person uh the choice that you make over the other had a better year than the rest let's start in uh let's start in a uh a territory that uh that might get some debate going uh cory over to you first jeffrey tubin or the keelburgers who had a better year tubin
Corey
34:20
mean he definitely had a better afternoon than those guys ever pulled together they
Zain
34:26
spent many afternoons uh testifying to that committee carter
Zain
34:29
carter same question to you jeffrey tubin or the kielburgers who had a better year well
Carter
34:33
well i think the kielburgers i mean they got to do masturbatory uh testimony every time they went in front of a commons committee there was just just
Carter
34:41
just just more people involved okay
Zain
34:44
okay that's good that's exactly the start i expected carter i'm gonna i'm gonna go over to you who had a better year this year Justin Trudeau or John Horgan uh
Carter
34:53
well I mean I guess John Horgan because he got re-elected and Justin Trudeau um you know was wistfully hoping to get elected you know talking about an election coming in 2021 so you know John Horgan got what he wanted and uh Justin Trudeau is still writing it on his wish list Corey
Zain
35:10
Corey who had a better year John Horgan or Justin Trudeau assuming
Corey
35:13
assuming I can't pick tuban again i i think it was trudeau
Corey
35:21
they were both in office the entire year and it's better to be prime minister than premier oh
Zain
35:26
oh look at that pretty justification that's slightly different gory who had a better year was it pierre polievra or charlie angus uh
Corey
35:36
uh pierre poliev because he has somehow become considered like a standard bearer within the conservative party a person who inexplicably is on the way up and
Corey
35:45
as much as i love charlie i don't think he's necessarily seen as the future of politics at this point carter
Zain
35:51
carter who had a better year pierre paul riever or charlie angus i
Carter
35:54
i think it's got to be pierre i mean uh he is now the new poster boy for mad magazine so things have really looked up for him and uh you know he's the alfred e newman of uh of canadian politics thanks
Zain
36:07
thanks for that topical
Zain
36:08
yeah extremely sharp always on point never a second late stephen carter carter we don't have mad magazine anymore
Zain
36:18
okay is that gone carter
Zain
36:19
carter who had a better year christopher freeland or any other magazines anymore
Zain
36:23
yeah we've moved on this is this is a show about pace okay we give the people pace i mean we slow it down for the eulogies but we pick it back up come on man carter who had a better year christopher freeland or any other politician in the country i
Carter
36:38
i believe christopher freeland did if If you take workload out of it, she gets to be the minister in charge of everything, which means that I believe, in fact, she is now doing Justin Trudeau's job and he's just walked away from it. He just does press conferences and sits in the chair, you know, in the chair at the front. That's pretty good. That's all he needed.
Zain
36:58
Corey, who's had a better year, Chris or Freeland or any other politician in the country?
Corey
37:04
feel like there's probably some random reeve somewhere who's just living moss, but Christian's got a pretty good claim on it. Let's say Christian Freeland.
Zain
37:15
Corey, I'm going to stick with you. Who had a better year, the fly that landed on Mike Pence's head or Steve Kornacki at the MSNBC board for six days straight?
Corey
37:24
I don't know what the life expectancy of a fly is, but it's probably shorter than Steve Kornacki was at that board. So I'm going to say Steve Kornacki.
Zain
37:31
Nicely done. Carter, same question to you. The fly or Steve Kornacki? You
Carter
37:35
You know what? You've got to live what life you have as large as possible. And the fly wins. The fly on Mike Pence's head, you know, that was everything. It was everything. And it may have only been everything for five days, but it was everything. And that was a large part of that fly's life.
Zain
37:53
Carter, I'm going to stick with you on this one. Anthony Fauci or Theresa Tam, who's had the better year?
Carter
37:59
i i would have to say um theresa tam because if you take away you know the the racism she did pretty good uh but uh you know being accused of of you know all the racist taunts was a little bit problematic whereas anthony fauci got both racism and complete disrespect from the uh from the people who employed him so i i would have to say tam at least she the people who employed her or still listen to her at the end.
Zain
38:27
Corey, same question for you. Anthony Foucher or Theresa Tam?
Corey
38:30
Well, let me ask you a question. Which one of them had regular meetings with Donald Trump?
Zain
38:35
Theresa Tam wins by a letter.
Zain
38:41
Corey with his, you know, his sarcastic missives. Never failing. Corey, I'm going to stick with you for the final and most important one. Who had a better year, Taylor Swift or Shawn Mendes?
Corey
38:55
is so easy. No, it's not easy. You think it's easy because you think it's Taylor Swift, but you're wrong. It's totally
Carter
39:02
I mean, who doesn't?
Zain
39:02
Come on. Taylor Smith, once again, minus four. We are...
Zain
39:10
but that's fine. She
Corey
39:12
Yeah, I'll go Taylor Swift. She's way more in the zeitgeist right now.
Zain
39:17
Carter, Shawn Mendes or Taylor Swift? Who had the better year?
Carter
39:19
Just out of curiosity, who is Shawn Mendes?
Zain
39:24
Unbelievable. Un-fucking-believable. Upsetting. Okay, very
Zain
39:27
very upsetting. Okay, we're going to leave that segment there. Let's go into our letter grades like we always do. Stephen Carter, let's rapid-fire through these. Justin Trudeau, your report card on Justin Trudeau, A to F for 2020. What are you giving him?
Carter
39:42
B-minus. Good at getting us through COVID. Not so good at getting himself through his crises.
Zain
39:49
Corey, Justin Trudeau, your letter grade for him in 2020. 20 well
Corey
39:53
well montessori students don't typically receive letter or number grade saying god i believe that our prime minister is uh it can't be kind of reduced to such a simple thing he's a he's a snowflake he's very special uh and i'd like to move on to the next question cory
Zain
40:09
cory i'm gonna stick with you aaron o'toole i
Zain
40:13
i my job here is to kill time uh this is not an accountability interview review i do not give a flying fuck uh aaron o'toole what letter grade are you giving him c
Corey
40:26
look i think he started strong he's he's been stumbling in the last it i've been um a bit perplexed by some of the moves that the conservatives have made i assume that they are based on some internal conservative politics that i just cannot wrap my head around but uh the reality is um whether we're talking about the the confusion that was tried to lift up around around vaccines or the response to the uh you know the sloan petition that uh was about you know vaccines being human experimentation actually basically anything on covid for the last bit he's been uh
Corey
40:59
uh deeply uh uneven and i i don't know why we haven't seen the arano tool we saw making those you know chess moves in the first bit setting things up but it's been uh it's
Corey
41:10
it's been uh a baffling decline in performance after what i thought was a very strong freshman effort for the first couple couple of weeks. A
Zain
41:16
A C for Aaron O'Toole from Corey Carter. What are you giving Aaron O'Toole?
Carter
41:20
I'm giving him a C+. He's getting a note home that he's not measuring up to his potential because he certainly shows that he has the opportunity to communicate. He has the opportunity to be heard by Canadians. But for some reason, he keeps falling into different traps. And I think that this comes from trying to be one man when he's he's campaigning for the leadership and another man uh when he's trying to campaign to canadians it it creates
Carter
41:48
creates a situation where he doesn't know who he is at any particular moment and uh that lack of clarity um really
Carter
41:57
really who's holding him back because he he has cory and i have both been very very complimentary of him through the course of the podcast this year and it's because he has flashes of brilliance but but then they're undone by his commitment to core conservatism.
Zain
42:13
Carter, your letter grade for Jagmeet Singh?
Carter
42:19
Didn't complete the coursework. Unable to give him a full grade. I mean, he exists from moment to moment. You know, the polls right now actually have the NDP up a smidge all the way up to 20. So, you know, I guess that he's doing better than I want to give him credit for. But it's like he only he only participates in half of the things that he needs to participate in. You know, so he's he's pretty big on TikTok, though. So I should probably maybe, you know, recognize
Carter
42:45
recognize that because TikTok is the medium to keep your eye on.
Zain
42:49
Thank you. Thank you, Carter, for really reinforcing what you said literally seconds ago. Corey, drink these things letter grade.
Corey
42:58
I think it's a it's a D. D, my concern with him is always that I feel like the tactics are okay, but the strategy is very bad. He is often being led into dark alleys to get the shit kicked out of him. Now, often he puts up a pretty good fight and runs out of there unscathed with his wallet, but that doesn't really speak to any kind of political genius here. And I think in particular as we go into the spring where it seems there's going to be a – it's likely to me there's going to be a federal election or at least strong musings of it.
Corey
43:30
He could be whipped around a fair bit if he's not careful because Trudeau is riding high enough and that makes it very difficult for the NDP not to just fold perpetually, which could just damage them long term. Because let's be clear, between Aaron O'Toole making a play for the
Corey
43:51
the orange-blue swingers in southwest Ontario, right, you know, the labor movement adjacent conservatives, and the
Corey
43:59
the liberals making such a strong play for kind of the intellectual brand of social democrats, the environmental wing through actions like the increased carbon tax.
Corey
44:12
Right now, you've got to be thinking, as Jagmeet's saying, what land is mine? What land is mine right now? Because you're kind of assaulted on all sides, which is not a usual place for a new Democrat leader to be in.
Zain
44:26
Carter, we're going to double click on Alberta for a second. Jason Kenney, your letter grade for Jason Kenney.
Carter
44:33
I think you have to give him an F. You have to give him an F because every day we're seeing – if Corey and I both point to COVID as the story of the year, this certainly is the politics of this year, and he's done a very bad job on it. He continues to do a bad job on it, and Albertans are paying for it literally with their lives. So I give him an F.
Zain
44:57
Corey, your letter grade for Jason Kenney?
Corey
45:00
It's no secret that I'm extremely displeased with the provincial government's response on COVID. But I do think you've got to look at this thing more broadly if you're going to give a letter grade. And while I believe COVID is the story of the year, the
Corey
45:12
the reality is there are so many other pieces that were put into place to continue that chess metaphor from last time by Jason Kenney here. He's almost the opposite of Jagmeet Singh in that he has been moving the whole board around. And I can't see it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. So let's call this an incomplete for me, because if he manages to land all of these labor fights that he started in a way that's favorable to his worldview, it's going to be very tough to say that he did this wrong, knowing that 2023 is still quite a few years out. So it's an interesting one for me. If this was the year before an election, this would be an abysmal performance. But if this is just part of the let's set everything up and swing back towards getting everybody to love us, I'm
Corey
45:55
I'm skeptical, but it's ambitious, man. It's a wholesale remaking of Alberta. I don't think people appreciate that from outside of Alberta, just how dramatic the changes have been, because there's kind of this caricature of the province from outside of it that we're a very conservative place. But as Stephen can speak to, because, of course, he was a chief of staff to a quote unquote conservative premier who was probably anything but, you know, very much a centrist, right? right?
Corey
46:21
Albertans, we like our government big. We like our taxes low, sure, but we like our government big. And we actually are a fair bit more progressive on a number of metrics than people appreciate.
Corey
46:33
Much more diverse than people understand. Much more welcoming and much more supportive of people who are down on their luck. It is a total third rail to talk about reducing funding for the severely handicapped, for example, which I mentioned because Jason Kenney is talking about that um if
Corey
46:50
if jason kenney pulls off everything he's trying to pull off he will have entirely remade alberta into this right wing experiment and um i
Corey
46:58
i don't know how you give an f for that i mean i might not like it but i can't give it an f and
Zain
47:03
and we'll move it on to our next segment santa i think i may have been bad now guys here's what we're doing in this particular segment certain people uh have had uh really bad years and we know they've had bad years uh but here's what you're going to do. You know, the art of political strategy is persuading. And in this case, you are going to write letters on behalf of these people, persuading Santa Claus that yes, while on the surface, it may look like I have been bad, I have indeed been a quite pleasant individual, not a naughty boy or a naughty girl, so to speak. So it's quite simple, you are going to on the spot, recite to me the letter you are sending to Santa Claus, acknowledging the current and conditions that you may be perceived through, but persuading Santa Claus as to why you've actually been quite a reasonable and pleasant individual. And Corey, I'm going to start with you first. The first person on the list is Mitch McConnell. What is Mitch McConnell's letter to Santa Claus going to say?
Corey
48:05
I understand that from a conventional viewing of good and bad, perhaps I have fallen and short of your outrageously high Scandinavian, you know, welfare state expectations. But let me explain to you why I think you will still be providing some gifts under my tree this year, my jolly old friend. For starters, I hold some really key votes in whether or not there will be drilling in the Arctic. So let's just put that on the table and then walk away from it politely. Following up with this, though, Joe
Corey
48:41
going to need friends like me, even if I'm not that much of a friend. And I think my ability to change this situation called America, for the better or worse, really, really speaks to just how important it is that
Corey
48:57
that I get a little something something on Christmas Day. I'm sorry, on holiday day. uh so when on holiday eve you fill up your sleigh please remember my name mitch mcconnell
Corey
49:08
uh friend of all who
Corey
49:11
who have lots of money and uh drop your sack down my uh chimney that is not a sexual metaphor xoxo
Zain
49:23
that was powerful uh that was uh that was specific which uh which is good because you want these letters to be uh specific and persuading in that regard steven carter we're moving on for mitch mcconnell i'm giving you someone else i'm giving you someone from the zeitgeist of early pandemic days i'm giving you someone that has had a bad year because it was profiled and seen by millions of people on Netflix, I'm giving you Carol Baskin. Okay, now this is someone who has been exposed of killing, did she? She totally did, killing her husband. But now she she's realizing it is December, she needs to write a letter to Santa Claus. Please read me the letter you have written in your mind for Carol Baskin. And why what you see on the surface, Santa is not true about her dear
Carter
50:17
my name is rudy giuliani and i'm writing on behalf of my client carol baskin
Carter
50:32
carol baskin has paid me twenty thousand dollars a day to take her case and to you know to put forward a case that she has done nothing wrong And she has done nothing wrong. I can tell you that
Carter
50:46
that the Dominion machines are actually the reason why Carol Baskin's husband just disappeared. There's never been a body found. This has never happened. So with nobody, as was said in the OJ trials, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. And there's no glove. So I am saying on
Carter
51:10
behalf of my client that she deserves a
Carter
51:13
a great Christmas this year. And if you could bring her a big cat, she would really like that. And by big cat, I mean an actual lover.
Zain
51:24
So that was a euphemism. Thank you. Thank you. That is probably the most cogent Rudy Giuliani legal argument. No, I was trying to sound less intelligent. That doesn't sound right.
Zain
51:31
right. Corey, next one to you. Rudy Giuliani is next on our list. What would Rudy Giuliani's message and letter to Santa Claus say? Dear Santa, my
Corey
51:45
my name is Carol Baskins, and I'm writing on
Corey
51:49
behalf of Rudy. We swapped letters this year. We thought it would be nice to give a little bit of distance. instance uh my friend rudy may seem like a sociopath who probably smells like pee he definitely probably smells like pee i think we could all agree but
Corey
52:05
but he's got a lot of redeeming qualities as well always remembers to wear his american flag lapel pin always
Corey
52:11
always always willing not to show up for a friend who's willing to pay him twenty thousand dollars a day and always always make sure that his shirt is crisply tucked never gonna find him looking a A little bit out of sorts at all. So, Santa, thank
Corey
52:27
thank you for your time. Really appreciate it.
Corey
52:32
Help my man Rudy out. And I did not kill my husband. I think that this Netflix experience has been a real downer for me. At most, I just nudged my husband towards a bunch of cats and then disposed of the body in an illegal fashion. At most.
Corey
52:50
I'm sorry, is this about me again? This was supposed to be about Rudy. Rudy's okay. XOXO, Carol.
Zain
52:58
Nicely done. Once again, specific, personal, and too personal at the same time. Carter, I'm going to you.
Zain
53:08
She was in the White House. She was in the election. She's now leaving. Is
Zain
53:13
Is she leaving the public zeitgeist? Well, who knows? But Kellyanne Conway, what is her letter to Santa going to say?
Carter
53:19
fuck you santa i made all the money i don't need any of your fucking gifts i am fantastic me and my husband george played this thing perfectly we were maga and we were anti-maga we've got everything just set and we don't need your stinking christmas presents although it'd be nice if you dropped off some presents like uh psychological counseling for my daughter that would be very helpful cory
Zain
53:43
cory i'm giving you i'm giving you the big cheese donald trump Oh,
Corey
53:49
There's so much pressure.
Corey
53:55
had a tremendous year. Tremendous, really. Fantastic. Nobody has had a year like me, Santa. And I think, well, I think, frankly, it would be a really disingenuous thing if you didn't bring me any presents this year. It has been fabulous. I have kept people from dying. I won an election, which nobody thought I could do. Everybody said that guy couldn't win an election. But I won the election bigly, by the most votes ever. And I did that despite the fact that the Democrats tried to steal the election from me. And Santa, I
Corey
54:28
can't remember what I was talking about, Santa. Can you help me out?
Zain
54:35
Pretty good. Nicely done, Corey. Carter, we're going to end with you. We're always going to end at home with
Zain
54:41
Jason Kenney may have looked bad on the surface, but what is he telling his supporters? What is he telling Santa?
Carter
54:49
Well, we pay too much taxes. And Santa, I need you to take a cut back this year. I've paid everybody 7% less. So if you wouldn't mind taking a 5% cutback, that would be great. And don't worry about this COVID thing. It's going to pass, and it'll be good. It'll be good. I stand with my good friend, Tyler.
Zain
55:21
We will leave that. Thank you, Carter. I was just going to say thank you. My commentary will not suffice to explaining that letter. Yeah, it's short, concise. Don't know if it's very effective. perspective um but i i appreciate the the personal responsibility angle we're gonna leave that segment there and move it on to our final segment like we always do waiting for the ball to drop yes
Zain
55:47
yes indeed it is it is the segment that that you've been looking forward to carter why are you laughing every year i'm really
Carter
55:54
really pleased that you've updated it from last year's waiting for the balls to drop and uh this is this is this is better i think you've done a better job They
Zain
56:03
They had massive New Year's Eve celebrations, and they needed two balls to drop. I mean, what was wrong with what was a very accurate portrayal of what Times Square looked like last year? Carter, here it is. Corey, do you want to jump in? It seems like you're really edging to jump in there. Go ahead.
Corey
56:18
I always assumed the segment was named after Stephen Carter, and after that bicycle accident, that's why you updated the name. It's fine. Whatever. It's fine.
Carter
56:28
Here it is. I wanted to thank you guys for the support you showed me. We
Zain
56:30
We end our holiday spectacular non-denominational, of course, every year with the
Zain
56:36
the New Year's resolutions. And I'm asking you guys to write New Year's resolutions on behalf of the political characters we just talked about. So we're going to alternate back and forth. Corey, I'm going to start with you. You eulogize some conservatives. Now you're writing the little letter that in this case, Justin Trudeau will write to himself and put under his pillow on New Year's Eve as he looks forward to 2021. What are some of the elements in that letter that Justin Trudeau has for his resolutions, Corey?
Corey
57:10
Well, let's start with he resolves to take costume parties a little more seriously going forward. But after that, I think
Corey
57:23
his resolution has to be to understand what to do about Canada's growing deficit and get out of it here. Because, well, he has definitely made himself the darling of the left in the last bit and a certain strand of intellectual that
Corey
57:41
– and listen, I'm right there. I want strong action on the environment or whatnot. But there's going to be – the bill is going to come someday real soon. And he's got to resolve to figure out – he's got to resolve to pay his credit card bills in 2021. How's that?
Zain
57:58
Stephen Carter, Corey's given us Justin Trudeau. I'm asking you to give me Aaron O'Toole's nearest resolution. What is he penned for himself, put underneath his pillow, and we'll read it as an affirmation every day of 2020 font. Tell me what it says on there.
Carter
58:15
To pick one character and play it all year long, every day, the same character, so that people get a sense of who is Aaron O'Toole. It's the same guy that he was yesterday and the same guy that he will be be tomorrow uh because the consistency is uh is next to godliness he needs to he needs to do that and uh and become consistent because he's he he's unknown and the consistency is one that he needs and can i do justin trudeau too because i'm i i have a different resolution for justin trudeau laid
Zain
58:44
laid on me hire
Carter
58:45
hire a crisis communications team hire someone who can manage the inevitable crises that it happen in government because right now their team is it just sucks and he gets let down by them all the time cory
Zain
58:58
cory i'll let you i'll let you add an erin o'toole before i give you the next one if you have anything yeah
Corey
59:03
yeah erin o'toole should resolve to end his toxic friendship with derrick sloan that should be his resolution nicely
Zain
59:09
nicely done cory i'm gonna give you this next one carter of course you're gonna chime in on it regardless but cory jagmeet singh he's writing his resolutions He's putting them under that pillow and he's going to put them on his dream board as affirmations for 2021. What will be on that 2021 resolution board?
Corey
59:29
He's going to have to go on a bit of a spiritual journey here. He's going to have to answer the question, why is Jagmeet Singh? Why is the New Democratic Party? And he's got to really ground himself in that rather fundamental question. If the New Democrats did not exist today, if we were all of a sudden they were struck from our mind, they did not exist.
Corey
59:51
Why would they be created? And when you find the answer to that question, you've got to build your party around that. Because right now, I feel like you are you're just sliding away. You're becoming a smaller and smaller presence because you represent a smaller and smaller constituency in
Corey
1:00:07
in the most philosophical sense of the word. not in like the yeah yeah 20 are saying they'd vote ndp but why does the new democratic party exist right now carter
Zain
1:00:16
carter do you have anything to add to jagmeet singh no
Carter
1:00:18
no i think that cory's actually nailed it because i think that that's you know he he doesn't um he doesn't have a reason for being you know it's not it's just not enough to be on the skateboard drinking the ocean spray cranberry juice thank
Zain
1:00:33
you carter for another tiktok reference just slide just sliding them in there nicely done we get it we you have a lot of time carter i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you the starting point on jason kenney he's he's resolving to do what in 2021
Carter
1:00:50
uh boy oh boy this is tough from from the way that he is or the way that i wish him to be so the way that he is he is he is resolving to finish that which he started um cory was not wrong he is is trying to remake politics in Canada by remaking a province in Canada and by showing people what conservatism
Carter
1:01:11
conservatism can look like and what it means to get your fiscal house in order. So he's going to resolve to finish it. But 2020 was rough. 2021, if Jason Kenney continues on the path he's on, could be worse.
Zain
1:01:26
Corey, the Jason Kenney resolution for 2021.
Corey
1:01:30
It's very similar. So Steve Jobs had a sign up when he was trying to get the Mac team to get all of their software finished before the date that all of it had to go to production. And it said, real artist ship. And the idea is you can do all of the things you want behind the scenes, but until you actually deliver, you haven't done anything at all. And what Jason Kenney needs to resolve to do in 2021 is ship. He has started so many different files. He has begun so many projects. He needs to conclude some of these projects in 2021 because surprisingly few are done.
Corey
1:02:02
Right. They are they are underway.
Zain
1:02:05
Corey, I'm going to I'm going to ask you the last one, which is Joe Biden. We didn't ask him in that segment before. But what is Joe Biden's resolution for 2021 as he looks forward to the first year of his presidency come January 20th, starting there on it?
Corey
1:02:19
Forget the actuarial tables, man. Just hold on for one more year of life. You can do it.
Zain
1:02:26
carter anything more optimistic for joe biden as he looks forward to his 2021 that's
Corey
1:02:30
that's very optimistic yeah
Carter
1:02:32
yeah i think that's
Corey
1:02:33
that's very optimistic i
Carter
1:02:34
i think uh joe joe biden's uh resolution should be you know don't reach across the aisle to be smacked up the head every single time you know at some point you're gonna have to recognize that uh the government you want isn't the government what you have.
Zain
1:02:51
Well, folks, we're going to leave this holiday spectacular there. You know, another non-denominational year passes us by and where we wish you a non-denominational celebratory of celebration. I don't know why we call it that, but we do. It has been filled with ups and downs, lefts and rights, alt-lefts and alt-rights, and it has been good people on both both sides. So with that being said, we've been so happy to give you both sides of this podcast for 2020. Of course, those sides being the self-righteous self-importance of Corey Hogan and the meetings with Mad Canada that Carter has brought you into. So with that, with me as always, Corey Hogan, Stephen Carter, thank you for attending our Holiday Spectacular and we'll see you in 2021.
Zain
1:04:06
Corey Hogan, Stephen Carter. Gents, how's it going?
Corey
1:04:10
Happy holidays, Zane. ah
Zain
1:04:11
ah yes it has come our
Zain
1:04:14
our holiday spectacular steven carter are you ready
Zain
1:04:20
are clearly not ready because because our non-denominational god has put you on mute so appropriate for this holiday special don't you think cory i
Corey
1:04:31
i think very it's a holiday miracle it
Zain
1:04:33
it is a miracle this
Zain
1:04:36
this is he's trying to speak he's mouthing he's
Zain
1:04:39
he's he's attempting these things but the angels from above are not listening and this is exactly the spectacular nature of the holiday he's now asking to stop he's now miming like hey hold on guys we'll just finally get
Zain
1:04:54
him to believe in