Transcript
Zain
0:02
This is The Strategists, episode 567. My name is Zain Velji. With me, as always, Stephen Carter, Corey Hogan. Guys, how are you? Oh, really good. It's debate night in America. I am
Zain
0:12
shock. I can't even handle it. Every night is debate night in America. Those people must be going nuts. We
Corey
0:18
We should say that there's 20 minutes left in this debate, so things could still... If it goes more
Corey
0:23
more off the rails? I mean, could it go more off the rails? Well, I
Zain
0:25
I think a literal dick measuring contest will take place. After we heard about Donald Trump's penis size, I think it's only it's only right that that what
Zain
0:36
what was the tweet, Carter?
Corey
0:37
Yeah, the schlong form girth certificate.
Carter
0:42
The schlong form girth certificate release is
Corey
0:45
is mandatory. Hey, guys, this is really accessible, I'm sure.
Zain
0:49
Republican debate on Fox News. We are recording on a Thursday night. It has gone off the rails. The last few weeks have gone off the rails. We haven't had an episode in a while, partially because Stephen Carter doesn't want to talk to us anymore, Corey, but partially because, what
Zain
1:06
what the fuck? Like, what
Corey
1:07
what do you say? Well, on point one, Carter's semi-retired. He spends three days a week in the city.
Carter
1:13
I ski the rest of the time.
Corey
1:15
Yeah, skis the rest of the time. On number two, I don't know. I mean, the Democratic race has been interesting. There's been ups and downs. There's good arcs. There's things to talk about, about Bernie relative to Hillary and whatnot. But the Republican debate, man. man. Historically ridiculous.
Corey
1:30
Well, starting, I think, with Trump winning South Carolina a couple of weeks ago, you
Corey
1:35
you have seen the steady
Corey
1:38
steady and increasing in speed unspooling of the Republican establishment, culminating today with Mitt Romney, the guy who was the last candidate for the Republicans, and then followed up by the guy before him, John McCain, just totally unloading on donald trump and if this is the start of of uh like this mass piling on there is no going back i mean donald trump win or lose the republican nomination he has a significant enough portion of uh of those voters they've created a huge problem for themselves and if he wins they've
Corey
2:12
they've effectively said they cannot be members of a party that he leads carter
Zain
2:16
carter what the hell i mean we're gonna get into it of course but what the hell any anything to this
Carter
2:21
this actually mirrors a lot of the canadian experience yeah see a leader lose their lose their uh following right and the the difference is he's not leader he's he's he's the front runner he's someone that's in the midst of a race and for people to step in and say no that person can't be our leader and mitt romney stuff was i mean that mitt romney i think would have won in 2012 that mitt romney was outstanding uh if you haven't watched the video i suggest all of our listeners go back and watch that video it is an amazing piece of theater it is amazing piece of political uh you know one-upmanship and it attacks trump in a way that marco rubio and ted cruz haven't been able to do and john casick won't do let's
Zain
3:10
let's just jump right into that let's just jump into it with our first segment our first segment Holy shit, why is this happening? End it now, please. How do we stop him? Oh, look, Mitt, help us. Save us, Mitt. I wish we could have Bobby Jindal. Guys, what
Zain
3:23
what the hell? You've just teed it up for us. Mitt Romney, the
Zain
3:27
the losing candidate from 2012 to Barack Obama, is out on the trails right now, attacking Donald Trump fiercely. That's number one. Marco Rubio is trying to, Corey, as you just said before we got here, out-Trump Trump with the crazy rhetoric. Yeah, and
Corey
3:44
and that's not a winning game, by the way. No. You don't out-Trump Trump. It's like trying to beat Golden State at small ball.
Zain
3:49
Oh, basketball reference. And let me just layer on one more thing. Super Tuesday has come and gone. Donald Trump has won the majority of those states. That's where we stand in the GOP race right now. Carter, you wanted to add something? I want
Carter
4:01
want to go back to the winning of the majority of the states. sure he won the majority of the states that is true undeniable but he didn't he he won the majority of the delegates by a very small margin i think it's 20 actual delegates yeah that he has over top of ted cruz out of super tuesday so you had to you know cruz and rubio together got more more delegates than trump did on tuesday this is why their talk of the brokered convention is starting to be is starting to be heard because trump is not walking away with this hillary Hillary Clinton, as per my prediction, has basically secured the Super Tuesday nomination. No, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Let's go even a step further
Corey
4:41
on that. On the Cruz
Zain
4:42
-Rubio aggregate, marginally, they're marginally above. The aggregate for Cruz and Rubio is marginally above. Corey, I'll let you get in here before I move on.
Corey
4:52
on. Well, I would just observe Stephen Carter is saying Trump has definitely not locked it up with seven wins on Super Tuesday. but hillary clinton definitely has with seven wins on super tuesday in fact like that just doesn't follow to me yes
Carter
5:06
the difference is the number of delegates cory i
Carter
5:09
i mean if you want to if you have if you have difficulty with simple basic condition that's fine but no no no hillary clinton has over a thousand delegates and bernie has under 500 delegates we have an issue let
Zain
5:24
let me get to a foundational question about super tuesday you've brought it up so let's just talk about it But would
Zain
5:28
would you, sitting in Donald Trump's camp right now, if you were in his camp, are you actually happy that he didn't completely clear the tables versus losing a few? Because having that actually provides the candidates staying in it.
Zain
5:43
Rubio thinks he's still
Corey
5:43
still in it. Kasich thinks he's still in it. Corey? I mean, in that sense, it was a massive win for Trump. And my point was not that Bernie Sanders is rocking and rolling, although I do think there's still something interesting to his campaign we should talk about.
Corey
5:55
It's quite the opposite. it it's that like to write off donald trump and say yeah there's a clear path for other people is sort of denying the fact that he also had a pretty kick-ass night and he won seven with a much more crowded field so let's be real if
Corey
6:08
if he had actually won 11 of them right you would have had somebody drop out and this would be a much different race much to his detriment but he gets to go into these as everybody in the world has talked about all of these winner takes all states coming up and there's not as many as everybody thinks there's still a few that aren't and whatnot They just have the option of being winner-takes-all going forward. But he gets to walk into those states.
Corey
6:32
He gets to walk into those states against a divided field. He could win with 40% of the vote, take all of the delegates in those states. Carter,
Zain
6:38
Carter, he wins 7 out of 11. Is that better than winning 11 out of 11 if you're in Trump's camp?
Carter
6:42
Well, I mean I've been following Ari Fleischer's Twitter feed for a while. And Ari Fleischer is absolutely
Carter
6:48
absolutely – so Ari Fleischer, former spokesperson for Bush. For Bush, right, yeah. And
Carter
6:52
he is saying all three
Carter
6:55
three candidates are doing really well. This is only good news for Trump.
Carter
7:00
Interesting. But I think that all three of these candidates have very different support bases. And because of that, you can see like you're not going to see Kasich supporters flooding to Rubio or Rubio flooding to Kasich. And no one's flooding to Crips. But because each of these pockets of support is distinct. I think each one of these candidates staying in is actually good for Trump. Unfortunately, we've never had an election like this. We've never had a candidate like Donald Trump, who is
Carter
7:31
is a loony tune. I mean, I'm watching Canadians' Twitter feed, right? Canadians' Twitter right now is going nuts. How can this guy even be on the national stage and not getting destroyed? and if you think about it any other politician says one of the outrageous things that he said and they're done right
Carter
7:50
right they're done he admitted today in
Carter
7:52
in the debate that
Carter
7:53
that he you know he was given the opportunity to kind of walk back from the illegal orders thing yeah
Carter
7:58
he says if he gave an illegal order to the military they would follow it because he's donald trump not
Carter
8:07
oh yeah i would never give an illegal order isn't that the natural response that a human being would give is well i I wouldn't give an illegal order? It's
Corey
8:14
It's amazing. He seems to think he's an elected king or at least that's what he's going for and not, you know, somebody who's, you know, bound
Carter
8:19
bound by a constitution. So this unusual race is making
Carter
8:24
making it so that it's very difficult to predict.
Carter
8:27
Like the normal course of action is that he'd do better against one candidate. Right. I think that this is an unusual race and he's going to do better against three. And the brokered convention, which I am now counting on because it'll be so much fun, will
Carter
8:40
will be crazy. And watch for a Romney or Ryan to step in at the last second. A lot. Okay. Jesus
Zain
8:47
Jesus Christ. Okay. A lot to dissect there. I want to peel this back.
Carter
8:50
It's a total West Wing episode, by the way. Oh, my God. Let's peel this back just a
Zain
8:53
a bit here. Okay. You mentioned something that's interesting. The GOP seemed to have no strategy right now, Corey, because initially it was this field is way too crowded. it, get everyone out, and they'll coalesce behind one. Now it seems like a desperate attempt to get more voices, and like Carter just mentioned on the tail end of his comments, potentially more candidates, whether they're in the race right now or not, to enter this field. What do you make of that? What do you make of their current, can I call it a dilemma?
Corey
9:23
Well, look, I think they've just accepted that the dilemma they had previously is not going away.
Corey
9:28
If they could get down to just one candidate one v one rubio versus trump that would probably be their best case scenario cruz
Corey
9:34
cruz is not going anywhere casick
Corey
9:36
casick actually may become the new rubio and the problem is rubio is a fairly weak candidate in my estimation so
Corey
9:42
those other guys just don't feel like they're going to get out of the way for him he he looks like a total lightweight you know as a bit of an aside the romney attack this today this morning right i
Corey
9:52
i think two things feed into that one is he looks like a giant amongst midgets yeah like let's be real uh and two is kind of a continuation of that point it really brought into stark relief for me just how bad the other guys have been at attacking trump because it was the only cogent attack i'd seen in a while but to get to the get to the main point of your question here now they're asking for more people to potentially come in they're
Corey
10:17
they're not necessarily asking them to run what they're doing is they're trying to get ready these candidates to have uh they
Corey
10:23
they are only okay it takes a second here the republican convention you are only bound to vote generally speaking you
Corey
10:31
you are only bound to vote for the candidate you were elected for on the first ballot yeah
Corey
10:35
so the idea is if the trump guys will never back cruz the cruz guys will never back trump the rubio guys will never back either of them the casick guy uh
Corey
10:43
uh whatever you know goes on yeah
Corey
10:45
nothing can happen there is nothing that stops uh somebody from putting voting forward if they have enough votes i think it has to do with the number i'll have to look this up after but the number of delegations by state so if they have enough state delegations they can introduce somebody new right so that's where you start hearing names like paul ryan the speaker of the house that's where you start hearing names like mitt romney but to be honest i kind of feel like the romney float was as likely floated by trump's camp as anyone else just to kind of just put into you know contrast oh that's why he's saying that you know he's just a petty small man who wants the nomination
Carter
11:19
nomination yeah i think that paul ryan's actually the more likely candidate to emerge from this um
Carter
11:23
um but still keep i've been talking about casick keep your eye on casick it's not over yet folks okay
Zain
11:30
okay so hold on hold on cory this is a good point you make about the potential of a brokered convention i want to get into that very shortly here but let's peel it back let's peel it back about eight months you're in the summer months right now crowded republican field A young Corey Hogan said, watch out for Trump, I believe. Young Corey Hogan was jerking off to Bernie Sanders, okay? And I guess rightfully so, in certain regards.
Corey
11:54
regards. In hindsight, I was totally right that he actually had a bit more force than you guys thought.
Corey
11:59
Whatever. Yeah, okay, we'll just remember that. Eight
Zain
12:01
Eight months. You were in a Republican field of, what, 15 at that time? 14, 15.
Zain
12:06
Why did no one effectively go after Donald Trump?
Corey
12:12
There's two parts to that question. one is go after donald trump and the other is effectively yeah
Corey
12:16
i think people went after him but it was in the wrong fashion it was very dismissive it was like oh this guy whatever and uh and there was no effect to that league the problem is the republicans curated for this just sounds trite but it's true for decades now they've been curating this since that uh screw
Corey
12:34
screw the experts what the hell did they know uh go with your gut say it like it is uh plain spoken let's not be such pc wimps and whatnot and then they have this er republican this like guy who is the model of everything that they've been espousing as a good thing you know this total disregard almost for facts entirely which frankly is where the republican party was going and they
Corey
12:58
they just didn't realize that maybe people were buying what they were selling for the past 20 years maybe it wasn't just an act maybe they trained the electorate poorly or their voters poorly and now it's now they're in a real jam carter
Zain
13:10
carter i'm gonna ask you an honest question you're sitting there you're working for your guide casick let's say okay because clearly that's your horse in this race yeah okay eight months be
Zain
13:19
be honest with me
Carter
13:22
i will be honest with
Zain
13:23
with you thank you sir be honest with me would you have gone after trump if you were managing or strategist for any one of these other campaigns because none of them did it effectively as cory mentioned
Carter
13:34
i think collectively they
Zain
13:36
they didn't ban against you wouldn't have tell
Carter
13:37
tell me why and and and i know everybody else who went after trump wound up hurting themselves yeah
Corey
13:41
yeah and the guy who kills the king doesn't get to be the king right and there's this sense that you're trying to look like you're above that fray and
Corey
13:48
and then it was too late but
Carter
13:49
but everybody was expecting the normal thing to happen wouldn't tell me what the norm that he would have just burnt out he he no
Carter
13:55
no candidate can make his own as many wrong statements false statements lies no candidate can make that many mistakes and survive this is an anomaly we have never seen this before so how would you eight months ago going back in our time machine where cory and i are the best strategists in the world how
Carter
14:18
how would we go back i mean that that's the true part oh
Carter
14:21
but how would we go back in time and actually change
Carter
14:26
change your behavior because Because you would never have predicted that after Super Tuesday, he's won.
Carter
14:36
Let him make his
Carter
14:37
Because the point of this exercise is that everybody to that point has died. And I believe I dismissed you.
Carter
14:45
Because I said there's no way that he doesn't die. Was
Zain
14:48
Was it this game theory situation where effectively they were like, if I don't do it, he won't do it? This tragedy situation, tragedy of the common sort of thing, Corey? Was that play here?
Corey
14:57
is that over it's a novelty thing you go into a shelf and there's 80 different brands of jam and one of them has a dead skunk on it you're gonna be like holy shit that is that is intriguing what is going on there and you pick up and you look at it and all of the other people come by and they're like that stuff is shit
Corey
15:13
and you start thinking well of course you think that you're the other jam and and and they've just they because all of the jam vendors have been telling you forever don't trust jam labels what the hell do you expect to happen i mean i'm
Zain
15:24
i'm so glad your Your wife probably does the grocery shopping at home. This is really taking a weird
Corey
15:29
I have no idea why you think Laurie does the grocery shopping. We share that responsibility. You've told me that before. There you
Corey
15:36
Jam. We're talking about jam, right? I'm
Zain
15:39
I'm talking about you trying to feed your kids with skunk jam, but that's fine. Okay.
Corey
15:44
You were talking about jam. Keep on going. It's a metaphor that has legs. No, I think the metaphor is done, but I will say this.
Corey
15:51
I'm not sure there was an out for any of them, right? At least not if they wanted to win. and and that is the problem they needed to bind together and say the
Corey
15:59
party is bigger than us
Corey
16:01
and they didn't and it's too late now so carter maybe too late i actually don't want to say that trump has won this thing yet carter
Carter
16:06
carter i think you and i are on the same page there yeah
Zain
16:08
carter would you have would you chalk this up to any any point in like you know arrogance or hubris on behalf of the party or do you honestly think they were in uncharted waters where they are they are in uncharted waters today and no one could have expected this i
Carter
16:20
i think no one could have expected I get it, but I don't want to completely dismiss the arrogance or hubris. I mean, they
Carter
16:27
let this grow within their own party, to be quite candid.
Carter
16:30
There's been a number of articles written in the last couple of weeks about how the Republican Party is the author of Trump. Right. They are the ones who created Trump. They were the ones who enabled the Trump like existence because, you know, the liberal media bias, the fact, you know, the facts
Carter
16:46
facts aren't facts. truth isn't truth kind of model that they've created and they've pushed forward uh cory cory's analogy the
Carter
16:56
skunk analogy which which was troubling in many respects um was was good in that you can't say you can't trust the labels you can't trust the labels you can't trust the labels and then when someone says look at the label on this trump guy
Carter
17:13
then you expect everybody to say but i trust you know i i'm gonna trust that I'll just ask you
Corey
17:17
you about the labels.
Carter
17:18
labels. This particular model
Carter
17:20
model was created and fostered by the Republican hierarchy. Okay,
Zain
17:25
Okay, I want to switch gears for just a second before getting back to the future of the GOP. Corey, let's talk about your man, Bernie. Is it over for Bernie? The millionaires and the billionaires seem
Zain
17:36
seem to have won
Corey
17:37
round. It's getting better
Zain
17:39
by week. No, no, no. By the end of this thing, you'll be strict Bernie. I love it.
Corey
17:44
it might not be over for bernie but if it's not it's because of some sort of crazy x factor which as a strategist you can't frankly plan for explain that to me what are you talking about gets indicted he's back in the race uh if there's even talk of that chatter back in the race something happens uh like those speeches get released from goldman sachs and it's you know because everyone's saying release
Corey
18:04
speeches and it's effectively her talking as though she was an employee and working for goldman sachs the
Corey
18:10
the race changes and there are still a lot of electoral votes out and there is still a lot of opportunity for a guy like bernie to turn it around like i'm gonna i'm gonna not bore anybody with a history lesson especially because it's almost an alternative history lesson but we talk about uh bobby kennedy uh before he was assassinated being on this big tear looking like he could potentially win the democratic nominee yeah nomination he'd lost most of the early races but he had been creating a buzz and there was something there that was just like wow what is happening with this guy and then he came out of california with a big win and that's when he was shot i believe it was california um i wouldn't be born for another 12 years so let's not rely
Corey
18:50
rely on my memory there and um and
Corey
18:53
and the point is there
Corey
18:55
there is still something to momentum at this point in the race it's not over until it's over and we've still got a very problematic candidate in hillary clinton in that she's got so much baggage and she is so in my estimation unlikable that something could come out of the woodwork stephen
Zain
19:11
stephen Stephen Carter, two questions for you. Number one, straight up, is it over? And number two, if it isn't over, how
Zain
19:18
how would you guide Bernie Sanders through this? I know there's the electoral math thing, but the question for you is one that we've asked many times. Is this the time in the campaign that a candidate needs to go for a big hit? Does he need to swing for something here?
Carter
19:31
You have to step
Carter
19:32
step back for a second and ask yourself, why did a candidate spend so much time Time and money, you
Carter
19:37
you know, Iowa and New Hampshire, right?
Carter
19:39
right? Iowa and New Hampshire, in terms of the number of delegates, have virtually none. And after, you know, so we had Super Tuesday this week, right? So a lot of delegates up for grabs. But two weeks from now, there's more delegates up for grabs. March the 15th, right? Yeah, absolutely. And then two weeks after that, there's more up for grabs then. So, you
Carter
20:00
know, why wouldn't you focus on these big delegates, these big delegate opportunities? opportunities these these are the things that you could grab and you could really take something and run with it right of course but here's the problem momentum
Carter
20:12
momentum isn't established in these big races because there's too much to focus on they're too quick right there's one this week there's one next week there's one the week after and they're big and they're difficult and they're tough to break down right momentum isn't established momentum is continued so why Why do people put so much effort into the beginning?
Carter
20:34
Because that's when the races won or lost. Now, I'm going to take a moment and just do an example. I think I've talked about it before.
Carter
20:42
Everybody who lost the mayor's race in 2010 was focused on the election day. I think it was October 15th or 18th. It was somewhere around there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19th
Carter
20:49
19th or something. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it was irrelevant. What
Carter
20:52
What mattered was the first polls that were going to be released, one right after Labor Day, the next one the day of the nominations. Those were the polls that would show the people who had momentum. That was a campaign. That's what the Nenshi campaign. That
Zain
21:08
That was effectively your E-Day in your mind. My
Carter
21:10
My E-Day was nomination day. If
Carter
21:13
If we were in third place on nomination day, Nenshi would win the election.
Carter
21:17
That was the model and that was the thinking. So you can show moment. There are periods of time when momentum is available to you. And there are periods of time when momentum is not available to you. And for Bernie Sanders, he has now entered a place where momentum is no longer available to him. He will slowly be ground down and he will be thrown out. His race ended on Super Tuesday. As I said it would, it
Carter
21:42
it is not going to be resurrected. Corey,
Zain
21:44
Corey, is there a strategy for him going forward? What do you think of Carter's take there? Well,
Corey
21:47
Well, you know, the reality is Hillary Clinton has him on the mat and it would be very tough for him to get off the mat.
Corey
21:54
There is enough, however, that happened on Super Tuesday this week, though, that if you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, you can point to it and you can say, no, there's reason to keep fighting. You're not likely to win that fight, but he still got his troops in the fight. And that's probably the most important thing because for him,
Corey
22:11
as I mentioned, I think his path to victory is seizing on any X factor that comes. you don't get to seize on them if the race is already over plus he has money oh he's got a lot of money and
Carter
22:20
and if he's got money you may as well stay in the race he's not like you're gonna do anything else with it all
Zain
22:23
all righty let's move it on to our next segment our next segment how to get get away with murdering your own political party guys
Zain
22:30
guys in that show
Corey
22:31
show by the way i
Zain
22:32
i am not i it was it was quite good so good seriously i do not watch
Corey
22:36
watch any show with any
Zain
22:37
any show by shauna rhymes i am absolutely out all right
Corey
22:41
out but that's okay i'm
Zain
22:41
i'm not missing out you
Zain
22:43
This coming from a guy
Zain
22:44
guy who does not watch the West.
Zain
22:45
By the way, guys, let's take a detour.
Zain
22:48
In a few hours, House of Cards.
Carter
22:52
you guys not excited? Season 3 was
Zain
22:54
I know, but still. No. But still. No. But still. No, stop talking.
Zain
23:00
President Claire Underwood. Ask us questions,
Carter
23:01
questions, don't offer opinions. This is the way we've worked this thing out.
Zain
23:07
I could just walk. You do know that. You could walk. Who would notice that? we
Carter
23:11
we just keep talking we
Zain
23:15
let's talk about are we are we are we in a place right now where the gop are legitimately going to burn their party to the ground steven carter is that the best option they have
Carter
23:26
know what i've been
Carter
23:27
for the selection so i follow uh you know so you read these articles right and you read these these twitter feeds and this talk and And there's this sense
Carter
23:37
sense that, you know, there are times when political parties change.
Carter
23:44
And in that change, new parties develop or new things come out. And I think this could be it for the Republican Party. I mean, I don't mean in 2020, you know, by 2020, they don't exist or anything like that. Because the way that American politics works, when you have a two-party system, it's like stopping a train and then restarting it again. It takes a long distance to make this actually happen.
Carter
24:09
We are at the beginning, I think, of this train trying to decide which track it wants to go down. And it has to stop in order to determine that. I think Donald Trump and this particularly weak candidate or set of candidates has basically ended it. It will be over if Michael Bloomberg or another third-party candidate decides to run against Trump and
Carter
24:32
and creates essentially a real third
Carter
24:34
third-party alternative, not the Ross Perot alternative in the 1990s, but
Carter
24:39
but an actual third
Carter
24:42
third-party alternative. I think that that could be the case, and we'll only know in 15 years. Happening
Zain
24:48
Happening in front of our eyes, Corey, today, Mitt Romney with his speech, is that him in your mind saying, this is what I have to do, even if the consequences are that we lose this year in this general? Or do you think that's him positioning himself? What do you think? What do you make of that in that moment in time today? Is that a start of something bigger? well
Corey
25:09
well if it's something bigger it started a while ago so the um the united states to steven's point has had two political parties effectively most of its history but they haven't always been the democrats and the republicans and there have been periods of turmoil with three and then one dies you guys have all heard of the wigs from history texas sure it's a joke right uh there is a party that was known broadly as the know-nothings there was the federalists uh american political political historians sort of divide American political parties into the party system epics, right? And so depending on who you talk to, we're either in the fifth or the sixth party system right now with the realignments. The last major one from fourth to fifth was when the Republicans took the South. The South was solidly democratic forever, right? And that had some fundamental fundamental uh changes uh that it drove right all of a sudden the republican party was a much more religious party they went yeah evangelicals all of that the
Corey
26:08
the question that we have right now is was the rise of the tea party was the uh the end of compassionate conservatism so to speak was that the start of the seventh party system right are we in something now where essentially Essentially, what was a moderate Republican was
Corey
26:25
was dying. It was over. And
Corey
26:28
the thing about the shifts in the party system are the last people to understand that their party has died are the party elites. And maybe this is the wake-up call where they get it. And maybe being a Republican is not an option for reasonable people anymore. Maybe those old Rockefeller Republicans, you know, that New England Republican model, maybe
Corey
26:45
maybe they're going to have to find a new home. Maybe Bloomberg builds it.
Corey
26:48
Maybe there's another party. Maybe they join the Democrats as part of that realignment. i
Corey
26:52
think that there's a lot of reason to believe that might be the case because this is this is so this is not unprecedented but this is so close to unprecedented there have been times think about people running for the democratic nomination on segregation tickets in the 40s and 50s yeah where
Corey
27:06
where you have had somebody who has fundamentally challenged the dna of your party right segregation now segregation later segregation forever said the democrat candidate
Corey
27:16
candidate not not the nominee but a democrat candidate right and
Corey
27:20
and this is the party that less than a decade after that i believe within around that time period brought in the civil rights act so there's always been tensions like this but
Corey
27:29
but wow i don't know i mean this might be too big and it might have been going on for too long carter
Zain
27:34
carter let's talk strategy for a second you're you're in the party right now let's say your strategy is sitting on the sidelines what do you do do you do you advise your party to say say fuck it let's just give up this this cycle and we try to build for 2020 or or do you try to reposition different Canada what are you trying to do right now what is your most viable objective or goal that you think you can reach with the current state of affairs I
Carter
27:56
I focus first on the Senate and
Carter
27:58
and then I start figuring out the House of Representatives explain
Zain
28:00
explain that to me so they tease that out so
Carter
28:02
so so what people forget of course I mean Canadians we elect we have one election and you vote for one candidate and you vote for uh your member of the parliament member of parliament and that's that. In the U.S. system, there are three people well, there's countless others that you're electing, but in the federal system, you're electing your member of the House of Representatives, you're electing your senator, and you're voting for the President of the United States. So you have what's called the down ticket item. So the down ticket being the Senate and the House.
Corey
28:33
some of the governor races as
Corey
28:35
well, I think most people would agree
Carter
28:36
agree with that. I'm just going to stick at the federal level because Because, you
Carter
28:40
know, that was the kind of the context of this of this particular question. I would walk away from the big ticket. I would walk away from the presidential race. And I would say, let's assume that we're successful in keeping Obama from appointing us this Supreme Court justice. We're going to need to make sure that we prevent Hillary Clinton from appointing the next Supreme Court justice. We're going to have to make sure. So the Senate needs to be controlled by Republicans. What are we going to do to make that happen?
Carter
29:10
What are we going to do to make sure that the House of Representatives remains controlled by Republicans? They will not forget that
Carter
29:18
was pushed through when there was a Democratic held House of Representatives. They don't want that to happen again. They need to make sure that they're in the position where they don't get swept at all three different levels of the federal system. Interesting
Zain
29:33
Interesting strategic recommendation. I'll sum it up. Effectively, Carter, you're saying to some degree, pay your attention and your efforts and your resources to the down tickets, whether that's the House, Senate, whatever that may be. If you win that, you still survive as a party to some degree. Yeah,
Carter
29:49
Yeah, I mean, I haven't looked. I mean, I've been following all the polling on RealClearPolitics and 548 and stuff, and everything's on the top of the ticket. No
Carter
29:58
No one's really looked at the Senate races in the House yet.
Carter
30:01
But that's where things are going to get.
Carter
30:03
That's where you go to next because you have to protect your base. Corey,
Zain
30:06
Corey, what do you think of that? Is it too difficult to divorce the two when you've got the top of the ticket dominating the headlines and the zeitgeist around what your party stands for? If you're
Corey
30:16
you're going to run against yourselves and the Democrats, you're going to lose. Forget the ticket nonsense. The ticket nonsense will get lost in it, and you are going to lose. Here's the facts, though. Today is Thursday, March 3rd. Yes. We are eight months away to the general election. We were talking about what we thought eight months ago. So let's not jump too far down the road, and let's not assume that where we are today is where we will be then. I mean, let's not forget that more people are showing up to vote in these GOP primaries and caucuses than they've ever had before. if they can actually get their shit together and honestly i don't know how especially after watching the parts of that debate tonight i don't know if that's practical but if they manage to do it they have some pretty powerful you know tnt that they could start throwing around but let's
Zain
30:59
let's also not forget that eight months in the past they were not proactive so if this is a time to get proactive oh it's just active now there's nothing proactive fair enough if this is time to get active using your terminology what are they getting active about you're saying they will lose But what should they be doing in your mind right now?
Corey
31:17
strategist opinion? A little bit, yeah. So my human being opinion is destroy Donald Trump. Do whatever you can. You can't let that guy get within an inch of the White House. And if that costs you your party, you reap what you sow and humanity is better for it. Give me your strategist opinion. My strategist opinion, everybody's
Corey
31:32
everybody's got to dial it down. Everybody's got to get back on the same page. There has to be a big show of reconciliation. They have to say things like, hey, I'm Ted Cruz. I might be mad at Donald Trump, but I'm going to dial it down. And I'll tell you, Donald Trump is way better than Hillary Clinton and the other person saying the exact same thing. Will
Zain
31:48
Will that moment ever, ever happen? Do they have the will,
Zain
31:52
It just happened. Oh,
Carter
31:53
The end of the debate. Really? What just happened? Tell us. It just occurred. All four candidates, including Trump, pledged to support whoever came out of the nomination. So you're seeing them do exactly. So, of course, the Twitter commentary and things like that are, oh, no, they've just humanized Trump. They take two hours to beat the tar out of him.
Carter
32:17
And then they say, oh, but we'd follow him. We'd support him if he won the nomination. So he's not that bad a guy. So that's pretty exciting. That is not
Zain
32:24
the ego boost we needed for Corey. Jesus fucking Christ. No,
Carter
32:28
No, but that's – but again, you asked me if I was a Republican strategist sitting outside of the race. On the sidelines, correct. I did ask you a different
Carter
32:35
different question. yeah i i would focus on the down ticket items cory's
Carter
32:40
cory's different question fair
Carter
32:44
like his human being answer a hell of a lot better than i like his strategist answer but that just goes to to most people's perceptions that you know strategists aren't really human beings let's
Zain
32:53
let's get back quickly to what cory mentioned earlier post march 15th winner takes all okay some i'm sorry so on some of this i think even
Zain
33:02
i think the majority if i'm not mistaken are our winner take all um strategy
Zain
33:06
strategy heading into that convention for that broker convention core you were getting into it i stopped you there but is there any other thoughts that you have around what that looks like leading into it and you were skeptical of an outside candidate potentially taking over as as that heir apparent at a brokered convention
Corey
33:23
convention yeah i think the bar to become an outside candidate if i recall correctly is pretty high and i think that to change that you'd need to change the rules and to do that you'd need to get enough of the parties to effectively say i'm willing to have somebody else come in other than me right and again because i think it's by state delegation i think that could get really true i think these are all this is all very apocryphal somebody go to wikipedia after this or something we
Carter
33:45
we should make a call we
Carter
33:46
we should make a call we should make a call um
Corey
33:49
um you're smirking yeah steven is teasing something out that's exciting to me now as far as strategy when you are actually at the convention who
Corey
34:00
who the fuck knows i mean i I don't know. I'm a Canadian political strategist sitting in Western Canada. I can give you a pretty good read on anything in my province and in my country in a federal sense. The
Corey
34:10
The problem is, even when you call an American and you ask them about this, nobody's been alive for a brokered convention of any value, certainly not in a senior leadership position. In fact, there's a lot of debate whether they should even be called brokered conventions because that implies a kind of party boss authority that no longer exists. this yeah the institutional
Carter
34:27
institutional we're very familiar with with pieces of it because we have the delegated convention model yeah
Carter
34:32
where everybody you know we have we start knocking off off candidates and everybody starts moving around and all that breaks
Corey
34:40
breaks i love a good delegated convention that's what we know how to do well there's a that's where i cut my teeth that was sort of my first major senior roles yeah delegated conventions and they are really interesting Because all of a sudden, the math becomes about relationships, too. Who can you keep happy? And, Stephen, you did something interesting that would also work well in a delegated convention sense when you ran a leadership, which is when you couldn't get the guy to endorse you as
Corey
35:06
secretary, you endorsed him, which is brilliant because that's a sign to all of the supporters to go over there. You'll see games like that. You're going to need somebody who's got in their DNA a lot more conciliation and savvy than Ted Cruz has. Right. So I just don't know how he wins something like that. Ted Cruz is a lawyer in the worst sense of the word. He will say things. You'll be like, I can't pin you down. You're not technically wrong, but God, I hate you. You lose a delegated convention if that's the sense somebody has of you, right? Right. Donald Trump.
Corey
35:35
Donald Trump may actually be in a better position to win a delegated convention because Donald Trump has shown a certain flexibility in
Corey
35:43
in bad senses, but also good senses that the other guys have not. A
Corey
35:47
A guy like Kasich is
Corey
35:48
is the quintessential compromise candidate. He could be the Franklin Pierce of his generation. Wikipedia that, Internet. And that
Corey
35:56
that could be very problematic for the Republican Party, although Franklin Pierce did go on to win the White House. So there you go. Almost destroyed the union, though. Stephen
Zain
36:03
Stephen Carter Brokered Conventions.
Corey
36:05
Conventions. Held it together. What do you think?
Zain
36:06
Any thoughts on that? I mean, we were chatting about this earlier on the CBC. You think this is not over. Is that clear? I do not think this is over. And by
Zain
36:16
by which I mean it's
Carter
36:17
it's for Trump. Yeah.
Carter
36:19
many delegates, so many more delegates to come. I think he took a hit tonight. I think there is more hits to come. The media traction is finally starting to happen. People are attacking him. I don't think it's going to go below 30% or 35%.
Carter
36:35
But if he hangs in at 35% to 40%, all
Carter
36:38
all hell could break loose at this convention. It's
Carter
36:40
And that, to me, is the best possible outcome that we can be looking for at this particular moment as people who like politics. Because that's when the circus comes to town and everybody lights their hair on fire.
Zain
36:50
Let's talk about one more element of the circus in my mind, which freaked me out when I heard about it last Friday. Chris Christie endorsing Donald Trump. one
Zain
37:00
loud foghorn endorsing another um
Corey
37:03
um stephen carter we were all surprised when you put it like that it's kind of like yeah yeah
Zain
37:08
yeah one foghorn from the northeast endorsing another um stephen carter um anything more to i don't want to i don't want to dig deeper if there really isn't anything anything more to make of this than just a guy seeing where the tea leaves were going and jumping on yeah
Carter
37:21
yeah i mean he wants to be the first one in so that he'll be the first one remembered remembered
Carter
37:26
remembered uh i'd like to think that there's something more strategic to it i mean to me the best part of this whole story was
Carter
37:33
was the uh the photographs of chris christie standing beside trump oh
Zain
37:38
oh my god super
Carter
37:38
super tuesday like no blinking kind of i can't believe this is what i've done and
Carter
37:43
and i think that that continues i mean there's been quotes from christie today uh not distancing himself from trump but kind of just just just saying he's the best to beat
Carter
37:52
Hillary Clinton that's it yeah happy right now and it's it's I don't know it's not sad it's opportunistic this is what this is what happens in politics kids um I remember you know again my own experiences uh watching people who railed against Gary Marr Ted yeah uh uh
Carter
38:10
uh Rick Orman you know right wing crazy crazy right wingers and they hated Gary Marr but Gary Marr was going to win and And God damn it, they weren't going to be the first ones onto that bandwagon. And that's what happens. You want to be the first one on the bandwagon. And that was why when Kent Heron endorsed Nenshi, it was so amazing. Because it
Carter
38:31
wasn't like Nenshi's bandwagon was particularly large.
Corey
38:34
They have a sitting MLA who had a constituency.
Carter
38:37
Yeah. So, you know, generally
Carter
38:39
generally what you see is people try and pick winners. And they're usually just horrible at it. But, Corey,
Zain
38:46
Corey, am I trying to make something out of here where there's nothing in terms of depth?
Corey
38:49
depth? What do you think? No, you know, I actually think that there is a certain cleverness to this. Maybe it's too clever by half. But let me tell you why I think this is more than just getting in first. Yeah,
Zain
38:59
Yeah, lay it on us.
Corey
39:01
Chris Christie is not a stupid man. Chris Christie would like to keep his options open.
Corey
39:08
And one of those options is, of course, maybe I get to be vice president or I get to be a cabinet. cabinet uh i was gonna say minister but i guess a cabinet secretary and uh maybe
Corey
39:17
maybe one of those options is hey if we end up in a brokered convention just like stephen carter signaled to uh the supporters of horner doug horner in that leadership race hey you're our second choice so if it's in reverse you got to come to me right that's how allison redford won maybe
Corey
39:35
maybe chris christie is making a very calculated play that he is palatable to the establishment and he could You could pull some of that Trump vote if you do end up in a delegated convention because you know what? He endorsed Trump. He shares some of those values of Trump. Interesting. He can break the Trump coalition just enough that with the establishment supporters of the other candidates, he can win. Hey, look. If this is a man who wants to keep his options open, that was a very smart move because now he's made himself the only, only credible candidate who bridges that gap.
Carter
40:05
Yeah, I think you've gone a couple steps too far. I
Zain
40:08
I think I'll leave it on that as it relates to the American election. Guys, our next segment, you never forget your first. The first First Ministers meeting in Vancouver, the first one officially, formally on the books in seven years. The first one for Justin Trudeau. The topic, climate change. Corey
Zain
40:25
Corey Hogan, what do you make of what we saw today, specifically when we heard that this meeting was falling off the rails, was going off, not going to have success? and then all of a sudden success okay
Corey
40:39
okay well i'm just that
Zain
40:40
that was a question
Corey
40:40
question that was a question that
Zain
40:43
was a question you
Corey
40:43
you know what the train was going off the rails so justin trudeau said we've got this new rail list train that is going down the ditch like come on all he's done is move the goal posts and said yeah
Corey
40:54
yeah the whole thing was we're going to get a price on carbon and he's like victory we all agree we're going to study a price on carbon and we know what affects other problems differently that's defeat my friend that's going in with an objective and not meeting the objective and what bothers me so immensely about it and this does bother me immensely is that we've been hearing for years that the conservatives were too combative they wouldn't even go to these things they fought with the premiers they picked all of these things and so nothing got done but just like you know at night after drinking you're like i'm never going to drink again you know sometimes the overreaction is is not that reasonable either right yeah i am
Corey
41:33
am well you know so he's overcompensated in the other direction he's like i it is so important to me that it looks like we're all getting along i am going to say i get along it'd be like if you had a horrible disagreement with your friends about something fundamental but you just all decide to smile politely at dinner parties and not bring it up this is the equivalent like this is not better if it does not result in outcomes this is not better this is just a different kind of useless useless so unless justin
Corey
41:58
justin trudeau can find a way to get some spine and fight for the things that need to be fought for and not worry so goddamn much about how much people like him we are going to have a very rough four years a different kind
Zain
42:11
kind of useless steven carter you were shaking your head during that in agreement or disagreement with cory was saying right here i don't
Carter
42:17
don't totally disagree with cory i mean he's not completely wrong he's mostly wrong it's
Corey
42:22
it's a compliment um
Corey
42:24
that's good for. Yeah.
Carter
42:25
Yeah. I mean, here's my problem with Trudeau.
Carter
42:28
In January 2015, he says that it's up to the provinces to deal with the carbon and the CO2 emissions problem, the carbon price.
Carter
42:34
And then during the campaign, he says that he's going to put forward some sort of federal solution. And
Carter
42:39
And now he's basically I'm going to go with Corey's
Carter
42:42
Corey's rail this solution. You know, there is no solution. We put together a mechanism.
Carter
42:47
The reality is he couldn't reach consensus in that room. I mean, he didn't have a model in which he could, you know, could put it together.
Carter
42:54
He's not going to look to, you
Carter
42:57
know, what Alberta has done, what British Columbia has done and said, this is what needs to be done across the country. He doesn't have that kind of strength right now. He can't get those premiers on board. If he
Corey
43:05
he doesn't have the strength now, he does not have
Carter
43:07
have the strength. He does not. Well, he doesn't have the strength. This is not something you can impose at the federal level. I disagree
Carter
43:13
Go ahead, Corey. You impose it at the federal level and see how it works out for you. Wait, wait. Because you're going to have it on top of the provincial regulations. It doesn't have
Zain
43:23
have to be. Carter, is your disagreement on policy or political will here on implementing it on the federal level? I
Carter
43:29
I think it's both. I think that the policy position that he took in January of 2015 was that it should be the provincial. I think that that's the right side. But then he goes and he gets all excited when he's trying to run for office and wants to be the big swinging dick to keep the –
Zain
43:45
That was about 40 minutes ago, but that's fine.
Carter
43:48
and what happens is uh he winds up overreaching puts himself in a position where he can't deliver and he has to uh you know back himself away from uh from the the precipice that he put that he himself created yeah
Corey
44:02
yeah i mean that the problem with justin trudeau is given a long enough period of time you can find every position is what it's starting to feel like and that's going to be a problem for him and it's certainly something that i i hold against him um but there's there's There's a bigger frustration that that's all built up in and that's just like what –
Corey
44:20
you are the federal government. You can do this. You could literally just pass a law that says, hey, we now have a carbon tax. By the way, it is reduced by the amount of your provincial carbon tax and we are going to spend the money in your province if we've taken it from you. But now we have a national carbon tax. That is entirely within the realm of federal powers.
Zain
44:40
You would advise that?
Carter
44:40
that? Oh, my goodness.
Zain
44:41
Hold on, hold on. i want
Zain
44:44
want to hear this answer would you would you effectively if you were helping the trudeau government right now advise that with the political
Corey
44:51
political lens and advise the threatening of it because i think you're never going to get an agreement of the provinces without somebody saying well if we don't come to agreement it's going to be worse and they'll say you're bluffing and he'll say try me i've been very consistent on this that is how you get those kind of things done but it's not that nice and you don't get to say at a press conference after we're all friends and sorry to disappoint you media because you know what that sometimes you don't get to be friends with everybody when you're in government sometimes you got to fight for what's right
Zain
45:20
carter we we seem to have a political a common denominator here around the political will of justin trudeau and possibly the political abilities i think
Zain
45:28
what would you do in this situation i know your policy perspective is different than cory's but what would your your your political um you know action or activity look like here so there's
Carter
45:39
there's two things Everything's in politics, that which you'd like to achieve and that which you can't achieve, okay? And so you have to set how much political capital you're prepared to invest. Corey seems to want Trudeau to invest a lot of political capital. I think there's
Carter
45:53
if any, issues bigger
Corey
45:56
you're wrong. And he said the exact same thing. You're wrong.
Carter
45:58
wrong. I mean, we can't even get a health care strategy, but that's okay, whatever. But we're going, you know, we're going to make this, you
Carter
46:05
you know, Corey wants to make this his number one issue. Let's take that for granted. My thing with Trudeau is I don't know what his number one issue is. My thing with Trudeau is I don't know where he stands on anything because that which he said in the campaign obviously isn't true. That which he said before the campaign obviously isn't true. And that which he says today tends to be politically expedient. And the thing that gets me, the thing that's really killing me, is he's more popular today than he was at the election. And he was more popular at the election than he was a year ago. Do
Corey
46:35
Do you know what's killing me is that it's become pretty clear. I don't mistrust Justin Trudeau's desire to do right. What's become very clear to me is what a pleaser he is. He just can't stand it when people don't like him. And ultimately, I feel that his best-case scenario is that he leaves as a prime minister who did nothing with 60% approval. I don't want that prime minister. I don't. And I don't think it's healthy because the next prime minister is not going to be that guy, and they're going to push it. Wasn't that John
Corey
47:05
Let's go. to let's go let's let's we can unpack that another day but you know i'll tell you something i sure wish he was a bit more ambitious with his policy
Carter
47:12
policy i mean he basically took the policies of michael wilson and brian mulroney and carried them forward you
Carter
47:18
you know ignored his own election promises uh for example eliminating the gst and was more popular closer to the end than he was at the beginning like
Zain
47:25
like cory said we'll save that for another day let's go from prime minister to premier very quickly rachel notley comes out of the same first minister's meeting and she has a media availability where where she repeats the relatively the same platitudes cory if you're advising her right now out of this meeting where the goal posts using your words have been moved to show friendship and success what do you do if you are rachel notley where you're facing sharp criticism back home about your advocacy for energy independence and effectively stuff uh related to this right
Corey
47:56
right and so this is where um there
Corey
47:59
there are all sorts of challenges for her right she she does does not need the same thing out of a first minister's conference that justin trudeau did but i'll tell you if i was here i'd be smiling i'd be saying the diplomatic things and i would be going back to my staff and being like for fuck's sake justin what a gutless wonder i would be mad because i've gone out on a limb as premier of alberta do a carbon tax part of that is going to be we do this or this is going to be imposed on us i remember those words being used during the election right
Corey
48:23
i believe those words i think that's still fundamentally true long term maybe not by our federal government but by our trading partners at this point and then to have the prime minister back away like that oh my god i would be so annoyed um i think however her role has to be more of she has to be more conciliatory than the prime minister because the prime minister as i mentioned can by fiat do what he wants to do he went in there saying i want a carbon price her objective is to get a pipeline built justin
Corey
48:52
justin trudeau controls the carbon price the premier of alberta has to work with people to get the pipeline she wants so they have to take a very different for an approach but my god would that be frustrating when it looks like your partner this person who's supposed to be helping you through all of these environmental issues is showing absolutely
Corey
49:08
absolutely no spine there like how are you supposed to trust as the as the premier let's put it this way you
Corey
49:14
you need uh the federal government to assert to the quebecs of the world and the ontarias of the world no no no this is neb and then federal approval guys you're just gonna have to butt out of this do
Corey
49:23
do you have any confidence that that's going to be the approach Justin Trudeau takes after today.
Zain
49:28
Carter, what do you make? You're Rachel Notley. The situation you're faced in, Corey just said you've had a partner potentially abandon you while you're advocating for something. What do you do if you're advising her right now?
Carter
49:40
I don't think that she's in a bad spot right now. I think that she continues to be undermined by her opposition who have the capacity, it would appear, of monkeys working on typewriters trying to come up with their particular strategies of how to deal with this. Basically, they are playing straight into the opposition's hands by, and so Brian Jean loses his mind, Brad Wall loses his mind because Quebec is going to do an injunction. They allow these words to get in their way, and they don't look at the underlying meaning of the word. This injunction does not change anything. This injunction does not force TransCanada into a process that is in any way going to shape the outcome of the national energy board process uh this needs to be recognized and it cannot be overreacted to and this is the problem is that brian gene and brad wall brad wall is going into election if anybody thinks this isn't about an election ploy brad wall uh wants to win this election he will win this election and then who knows maybe he throws his hat in the leadership for the conservatives yeah
Corey
50:46
yeah i mean i agree and i that's what i think is so frustrating to me is that as i mentioned like this is a diplomacy play for the province the province has to play nice to get what it wants and we have the official opposition uh so eager to score political points against the new democratic government just screwing our province by overreacting and getting these headlines in quebec that are just totally unmeasured and the best way to turn the province of quebec against us you have brad wall effectively doing the same thing but from his perch in saskatchewan this is so stupid
Corey
51:19
stupid like Like, this is not a way you win friends and influence people. And the only way you get the pipeline you want is by winning friends and influencing people. We'll leave it there
Zain
51:28
there for that segment. Guys, our final segment are over under our lightning round. And finally, the thing we added last time, the main squeeze. Yeah,
Zain
51:38
back to it. Yeah,
Carter
51:38
Yeah, go ahead. What?
Zain
51:42
Just go ahead. Jesus, Jesus Christ. Okay. Stephen Carter, is it over for Bernie Sanders, yes or no? Yes.
Zain
51:49
Corey, is it over? Do we have to admit it? Will you finally admit it? Yes-ish.
Zain
51:54
Yes-ish. Scale of 1 to 10, Stephen Carter, how much do we care about this by-election in Calgary right now? There's
Carter
52:00
There's a by-election in Calgary? Great, that answers my
Zain
52:02
my question. A 1.
Zain
52:04
Yeah, is there from 1 to 10? I can't pick 0 then. That would be below the scale. That would be below the scale. Another 1 to 10 question. Back at you, Carter. How viable is it of a strategy for the GOP to go scorch Earth for 2016? 2016 right now in terms of viability where do you rank that strategy on a one to ten i
Carter
52:21
i i put it in eight but then again i'm so biased against donald trump that i cannot stand the puts it at an eight
Corey
52:28
hogan where do you put it it's a one because i remember paul martin going scorched earth against jean chretien it doesn't work you don't run against your party you can't except
Carter
52:36
except who's the government now again yeah
Corey
52:38
yeah well okay but right after a pretty
Zain
52:39
pretty brutal interlude i you've teased me with the answer on this i think i know it but cory hogan are you in or out on justin trudeau this week i'm out on him
Corey
52:48
him this week i'm pretty pissed off at him as i think probably came through carter i'm
Carter
52:53
i'm pretty out on him i think that he's just being a little immature we'll
Zain
52:56
we'll ask the same question in or out on rachel notley this week cory i'm in she did what she had to do i'm
Carter
53:01
i'm in she's certainly doing what she needs to do i wish she would advocate more for all
Carter
53:05
all three pipelines instead of just picking one or two to win over
Zain
53:08
over under on five romney's performance today just Just his performance with that speech he gave against Donald Trump. Carter? Over.
Carter
53:14
Over. So good. So good. Corey?
Corey
53:17
Well, I mean, if you look at the curve, like the rest of his class are dunces in the corner. I mean, it's got to be over relative to the Republican field right now. I
Zain
53:24
I asked you on the performance over under on five. I'll ask you the same question, but on the impact that Romney has with that speech. Does it start something? Does it push something? On that same question, over under on five, Carter, what do you think?
Carter
53:37
I want to say over. I really, really, really want to say over. my great fear is that it's under you
Corey
53:43
got michigan and idaho coming up uh those are states that uh romney has connections to both through his uh dad who was the governor of michigan and idaho has a strong mormon population i think that there is a real risk for trump that this can start to look like the tide has started
Corey
53:58
started to recede based on these comments they i think it could be over
Zain
54:03
will chris christie yes or no will chris christie back away from his endorsement of donald trump before the convention? I
Corey
54:11
I think he's going to use very measured terms to keep both sides happy. Yes
Zain
54:14
Yes or no? Carter, do you think he backs away? Nope.
Zain
54:17
You do not. And finally, your one-word strategy for... Oh, not finally. I've got one more question after this. Your one-word strategy for Canadians who want to move to Canada if Donald Trump gets elected president. Americans who
Corey
54:29
who want to move to Canada. Sorry,
Zain
54:30
Sorry, Americans who want to move to Canada if Donald Trump gets elected president. Guys, I got good news.
Corey
54:35
The Trudeau government has said they're going to give permanent residency presidency as soon as you marry a canadian i think you know where this is going oh
Carter
54:43
all of us are divorcing and i'm gonna marry some hot american ladies yeah
Corey
54:48
yeah that's great so
Carter
54:48
so my wife just totally gave me a look so what
Carter
54:51
what i'm hearing you
Zain
54:52
what i'm hearing you say is we're gonna build a wall and we're gonna make the americans pay for it exactly
Zain
54:58
gonna do finally the one thing you are looking forward to this week you know what you're reading what you're looking at as it relates to this american election what's going on here in canada carter what is your one signal heading into the next week well
Carter
55:11
well i mean i was what
Carter
55:13
what what i can't anticipate the thing that i will not anticipate in like i didn't expect romney to drop in today yeah
Carter
55:21
that's what i'm looking forward to that thing that i don't expect the
Zain
55:24
the the known unknown cory
Corey
55:27
cory what's yours for this week well we've had romney the last republican nominee uh go out and slam trump we've had mccain more measured but only barely slam trump i think it's pretty clear george w bush would like to slam trump i want to see uh if we can just get like a perfect unbroken streak all the way back to reagan i
Zain
55:49
like it and we'll end it there on episode 567 of the strategists my name is zane velge with me as always cory hogan steven carter we'll see you next time.