Transcript
SPEAKER_02
0:02
This is The Strategist, episode 530 from sunny Las Vegas. This is Zain Velji, alongside Stephen Carter in Ottawa, Corey Hogan in Calgary. Guys, how are you doing? I'm
Corey
0:12
I'm good. You guys missed all the fun. You missed all of the fun of the election.
Carter
0:16
We left so that we wouldn't have bad mojo. There
SPEAKER_02
0:20
There is absolutely no fun to be had. Guys, there's so much to talk about. What was once impossible about a month ago, improbable two weeks ago, and is now reality. The San Antonio Spurs are out of the NBA playoffs. I want to talk about that for the next 90 minutes, but instead there's something called this Alberta election. So, before we get into it, because I know you guys are going to be chomping at the bit, I was doing some scrutineer training last weekend, and it struck me that, as a general, people don't have a good understanding of what Election Day really is, what the parts in motion are, what the back and forth is, what all that data is about. So before we get into it, since you guys were both in on the back end in 2012, lay it on me, lay it on our listeners. What exactly happens on Election Day? Corey, first you and then Carter.
Corey
1:10
Well, Election Day is the culmination of all of the work that we've done previous, right? It's all about taking that 27 days of identified vote and then ensuring that they get out and vote. You know, nowadays we throw in a couple of social media plays and whatnot, you know, go vote, you know, Twibbins and all of that stuff. But for the most part, it's the same as it's been for years, just with new databases and new ways to organize it, which is you've got a list of people, they told you they're going to vote for you, now get their asses to the polls.
Carter
1:40
Yeah, and I think that it's interesting now because I think this election, this provincial election, actually mirrored the 2010 Nancy election a lot, where the NDP didn't have the world's strongest GOTV campaign, and they were still able to win just by the simple size of the wave that they were able to generate during the campaign. campaign uh so the the campaign period itself generated its own momentum that was uh that overshadowed uh the traditional gotv uh that would be required to win especially those close races i think it was what uh two races in calgary uh or in the southern alberta region that were won by less than 20 votes and one that was absolute tie which
Carter
2:18
which is like unheard of absolutely
SPEAKER_02
2:21
absolutely you know carter that's a great segue to talk about what we really want to chat about the ndp yesterday with the the majority, 53 seats, 41 percent of the vote. This was an absolute orange wave, literally in Edmonton, but elsewhere in the province. They made gains like they have never seen before. Guys, what happened? I mean, what exactly did we see yesterday? Historic by all accounts, but Carter, what was that?
Carter
2:46
It was anger. It was absolutely an angry wave of people who decided that they didn't want to elect the same government that they've been electing. I think I proposed it in the last podcast that we were looking at uh 10 different or 10 years of people not wanting to vote for the progressive conservatives and that finally came to a head uh yesterday and and that was something that's that's unusual in politics uh alberta i think might be the only test cases of a place where we literally will build up anger for a decade before we will act
Corey
3:20
what do you make?
Corey
3:21
Well, 41% of the vote for the PCs, 28% or the other way around, 41% for the NDP. See,
SPEAKER_02
3:28
See, you're used to saying it only one way, are
Corey
3:30
are you not? Yeah, it was
Corey
3:32
was not at all shocking. Let's just put it right there. It was not shocking. Anybody who says it's shocking was paying no attention for the last month because the polls steadily climbed from day one to the NDP all the way to day 28. and the polls at the last moment showed pretty much exactly what we got and to me so to me what i find more interesting i think than the dramatic outcome and i do find it really interesting is that everyone is shocked by it well
Carter
4:01
well i think that people were expecting 2012
Carter
4:04
again right so 2012 all the polls tell us it's going to be one way it's going to be the wild rose majority and then most people will wake up on Tuesday morning after the election and go, what? We didn't get that wild rose majority? Because they didn't see what was actually happening in the election campaign, which was a shift back. And that shift back never occurred in this election. The polls, the conclusion I think we have to reach is that the polls weren't wrong in 2012. We shifted the vote. The vote never shifted back in 2015. It was fun to watch.
SPEAKER_02
4:39
Okay, so let's talk about that a bit more, because I think you guys hit on a very important point. You know, on this podcast, Carter, last episode, the last question I asked you is what happens on election day, and you said a PC minority. Now, I was also on social media flailing back and forth between a PC minority and an NDP minority, disingenuously hedging my bets, as
SPEAKER_02
4:56
as I always do. But, you know, one of the factors, and I think there's a couple, but one of the factors that we gave the PCs a little bit of credit for was their ground game. Now, let's talk about that, because the PCs, although only securing 10 seats, got 28% of the vote ahead of the official opposition, Wild Rose Party. So they did get votes. And, Corey, you've mentioned this before, that voter efficiency is only efficient until it isn't. But we did give some credit to the ground game. why did that not materialize anything beyond the 10 states well
Corey
5:28
well i'll tell you why because ground game i'm going to give you an extreme example imagine an election where two people turn out out of a million it's
Corey
5:37
pretty important to identify those two people and get them out now imagine an election where a million people turn out out of a million your ground game's not going to make a lick of difference right the more people who show up the less important a ground game is and we had turnout of about 60 you start to get to it was great yeah you start to get to to a point where ground game does
Corey
5:55
does not matter that much. In a place like PEI, where they got 84% in Saskatchewan, where they regularly get 70s, 80s,
Corey
6:02
ground game's not the same thing there. It's not a big deal because if everybody votes, ground game doesn't matter. And that's what happened. People were mad and they showed up. And as a result, that edge
Corey
6:14
edge that the PCs had, that vaunted ground game edge, didn't
Corey
6:18
didn't matter at all.
Carter
6:20
Well, we might identify 6,000 voters or 10,000 voters is in writing in a really well-organized ground game offensive. Ten would be amazing.
Carter
6:30
Of those 10,000 people, first of all, you're only going to reach about 4,000 to 6,000 on election day. So just let's call it half. And then of those people you reach, most of them are going to go vote anyways, because they've already told you who they're going to vote for. So that increasing, it
Carter
6:46
it doesn't make a huge difference unless it's close. And it wasn't close. blokes. The orange wave, the 41% of voters who voted for the NDP just eclipsed the other parties in most ridings. And they did it everywhere, which I think was just absolutely amazing.
SPEAKER_02
7:07
So both of you guys were on CBC last night. Corey, you were on the panel to do analysis. Carter, you were sitting in Andrew Coyne's chair up in Ottawa. The poor man's version of Andrew coin for last night. Yeah,
Carter
7:18
Yeah, that's right. I was on the sub network. Andrew was on the main network and it gave us a really good idea of who was good and who was me.
SPEAKER_02
7:27
I think we've had that idea for a very long time. So let's chat a little bit more about what last night was like for you guys. At what point, Corey, did you know?
Carter
7:37
Sort of very popular.
Carter
7:40
Corey, at what point
SPEAKER_02
7:42
point did you know last night? You were sitting on that analysis panel. Rob Brown came to you with only a few writings in, the PCs were up yet you were still optimistic, what did you know and at what point could you make the call in your head?
Corey
7:54
So I went into there you know and the war rooms are doing the exact same thing, I just had a poor man's version I went into there with two lists, one was eight writings to watch and I assumed if they'd won four of those eight writings then it was going to be an NDP majority and the other was a power ranking that
Corey
8:10
that actually our friend Brendan Wade put together other and i modified a bit but it was this idea that from
Corey
8:16
from 1 to 87 what's the most likely ndp pickup to what's the least and when those first results were in there
Corey
8:24
there was you know minor drama in the studio as everyone's like oh wow ndp three seats to the pcs 10 on very few polls but
Corey
8:33
but what was interesting was of the three that were there for the ndp two were in rural alberta and they had no
Corey
8:39
no business being in the running so when you looked at it you
Corey
8:42
you could kind kind of tell right from the first results it was going to be an interesting night and i think that you know that ticker tape that banner was misleading and i think people got misled but we didn't have to wait long before that thing turned and and i never i can honestly say never thought the ndp were in trouble yeah
Carter
8:58
yeah i was the same way in fact there were three writings that reported right away um and they were all mobile polls so mobile polls for those people who really really don't hang out on the Elections Alberta website and check out the actual results as they're coming in. Mobile polls are polls that literally go to a senior's home, like a facility housing a number of seniors and collect the votes from the seniors that are in that home so they don't have to travel to a polling station. And what struck me is that the PCs were winning the polls to be sure, but they were not winning by the margins that they should have been winning by. And I think that right off the bat, I thought there was going to be an NDP government. And it just, after I think 15 minutes, there was absolutely no question. And, you know, I was funny. I was sitting beside the decision desk at CBC. And they were trying to figure out when to call an NDP majority. And I'm like, just call it already. It's done.
Carter
9:59
But they wanted to, you know, they had to go back to their numbers. And they did it properly. I would have winged it. I believe winged it was the right phrasing there. So I was talking
Corey
10:07
talking to the senior producer who's responsible for that call in Alberta. He was in Alberta and he was doing all of these things. And he
Corey
10:15
put it pretty well to me. CBC is often the last to go to make that call. And he says, yeah, well, because on CBC, you
Corey
10:22
you know, nobody remembers who called it first. But on CBC, if you call it wrong, there's a parliamentary inquiry. We don't have the luxury of being wrong ever. so we have to be really cautious and uh you
Corey
10:36
you know they did that because they do that mess cbc and i credit them for being that sensible news organization but yeah
Corey
10:42
yeah majority was in the cards almost from the start so
SPEAKER_02
10:46
so make a comparison for me guys in 2012 cory you've mentioned on this podcast that your liberal party at that point you were the the campaign chair campaign manager for the liberals provincially you guys came up with five seats which was better than than anyone had predicted that you guys would do, a contextual victory, you called it.
SPEAKER_02
11:04
Tell me, was that sweeter or was watching it as a progressive sitting in that CBC studio yesterday or last night watching the NDP win sweeter than watching your own Liberals win in 2012? Well,
Corey
11:16
Well, in 2012, let's not call it a win, but let's call it hanging on. That
Corey
11:20
That was sweeter because that victory was in part mine. This victory belonged
Corey
11:24
belonged to the province, but it wasn't really mine. I was a pundit. I was on the the side i was glad that i got to be there to
Corey
11:30
to announce the unfolding of history but i didn't
Corey
11:33
didn't make history so no question in my mind i actually felt a
Corey
11:37
a bit of melancholy like i wish i was there in the trenches for it all if i'm going to be totally honest oh
Carter
11:42
oh yeah i mean i was really sad that i wasn't able to be uh
Carter
11:45
uh in the in the rooms uh watching the calls go out watching things come back in uh getting the calls from the scrutineers and knowing where your writings were that would would have been just
Carter
11:56
just so much fun uh watching that kind of switch happen uh of course there would have been an overflow of information at some point the the war rooms would have just given up because it would have been so clear what was happening it
Carter
12:07
it would have been a real fun place to be on there be on the ground level of that yeah
SPEAKER_02
12:11
yeah absolutely okay guys i want to move it along to our first segment of this podcast this is the victory lap or the punch in the gut i feel
Corey
12:20
feel good about this one Oh,
SPEAKER_02
12:21
is going to be painful. You should feel good, Corey. Well, listen, let's talk about some of your guys' predictions from the past couple of episodes. And let's actually, you know, on some of them, dig a little bit deeper. So both of you guys said that the Alberta party would win a seat yesterday, and both of you were correct. Now, Carter, I won't mention that you had changed your vote, but that doesn't matter because we've all changed our minds every once in a
Carter
12:42
a while. It was a double down or change, and I chose right. You took the
Corey
12:47
the option. So you get one chip, but I doubled down my chip. I get two for that, I think. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02
12:51
Yeah, that's true. We've got no point scoring system here. Let's talk about this a little bit more because I think that's what's the interesting part. Greg Clark wins a seat in Calgary Elbow against then or I guess former education minister Gordon Dirks, who I think ran the microcosm campaign of the PC campaign at large in that it was very poorly run. A lot of mistakes all over the place, but credit to Greg and his campaign team full of excellent people. Guys, what does this mean for the Alberta party going forward?
Corey
13:19
well yeah i don't know i mean it would have meant a lot if it was still a pc government but now we have an ndp government the pcs are in real trouble if i was if i was greg clark today and this is not what i would have recommended to greg clark six months ago and in fact i i recommended the opposite i think six months ago to greg clark i i told him at the time it's the center left that's your play
Corey
13:41
i think now it's just to become the new pcs i think he can carve out more of a center right right existence because the PCs are really
Corey
13:48
really hurting. And I mean, this is when you want to kick them when they're down. It might not sound nice, but welcome to politics. Yeah, this is politics.
Carter
13:54
politics. I think they could become
Corey
13:55
become the new centrist party if they play their cards right over the next bit.
Carter
14:00
Well, that's absolutely right. But the problem that they have is no one's looking over to their corner. You know, you've got the big NDP on one side and you've got got the falling destruction that is the PCs. The Wild Rose has done, I think, exceptionally well, given that their leader's been there for, what did I hear today, 35 days, 37 days or something like that. They're going
Carter
14:24
to have to find a way to get oxygen. That means that Greg's going to have to be really efficient and be really good in order to get that oxygen. I think he's got that capacity. Again, they still struggle. Is the Alberta party going to be a political party? a la the NDP, because that's what the NDP is, a political party, or are they going to be this quasi-movement that always says we do politics differently, which I equate to we don't do politics at all.
Corey
14:53
No, I'm going to double down on that, because I like the double down thing. Oh,
Corey
14:58
Oh, yeah. And I'm going to go further. We're not even in that
SPEAKER_02
14:59
that segment. You don't make the rules. I'm moving on. Okay. We get
SPEAKER_02
15:03
get it. You guys
SPEAKER_02
15:04
Yes, you guys both agree. Okay. So you guys both said that the Achilles heel of the NDP will actually, Corey, you said it was going to be their ground game. And Carter, you said it was going to be the baggage that there were socialist hordes. Now, I don't know where to score this one, so I'm going to both punch you in the gut because neither necessarily seem to be right. But let's talk a little bit about that baggage because not all of that is clear yet. There's many, many steps to go. So let's chat a little bit more about what that could mean in terms of policy. Well,
Carter
15:31
Well, let me start off and say that I am, in fact, right, because the socialist horde argument came out today. Sadly, no one is getting elected right now, but you can see ... I mean, this gives you just a sense of how ineffective the PC war room was. Today out come all the pictures of all the Facebook captures of the candidates that are winning in Calgary Bow or Calgary-
Corey
15:54
- Yeah, what happened
Corey
15:54
happened to this during the campaign? Where was the war room? And
Carter
15:58
And the socialist horde, the TSX dropped to 150 points because the socialists are coming. The socialists are coming. And I'm not allowing you to give me a punch in the gut because exactly what I said was going to happen, happened a day too late, which is staggering.
SPEAKER_02
16:20
You've now got to wait four years to action that information. But I actually want to talk about that a little bit more because, Carter, you mentioned the information that came out today about a candidate in Calgary, Beau, that's going to be the new representative of many people in Calgary. What happened to that war room? Corey, you just asked that question, but what is that a sign of in
SPEAKER_02
16:42
this PC campaign? I do want to discuss that a little bit more later on, but now that we're on the point, how did they miss something like this? Did they choose not to action it? Were people not doing anything and collecting a paycheck? What was going on?
Corey
16:52
on? There's two things here. One is I think that when we were talking about candidates
Corey
16:57
candidates who had these bad things, people cared less. And certainly you saw that with the candidate in Hawkwood and a few of these minor imbroglios, right? They're a bigger deal now because they're actually elected. That's part of it. That's part of it. But the other part is they really did not maximize things the way I thought they would. And I cannot believe for a minute that
Corey
17:16
that their war room was, frankly, that inept.
Corey
17:19
Most of those pictures don't bother me. And look, I'm pretty hard to bother for some of that stuff. I don't know if any of them really bother me. But a picture of a candidate for public office giving the middle finger to the Canadian flag,
Corey
17:34
unfathomable that the Conservatives didn't find that and pull that out until the day after. Especially
SPEAKER_02
17:40
Especially when we know they were looking. You know, we discussed on this podcast that they were going to be looking over the course of the last 10 days and they came up with nothing substantive or specific and yet they didn't find it, which boggles my mind, someone who's worked on many campaigns as well. Carter, any comment on that?
Carter
17:56
Well, I just think it's ridiculous. I
Carter
17:58
I mean, utterly ridiculous that the PC war room was unable or unwilling to find things that would actually work against the NDP. You know, one of the things I said today is they pulled out their only way of attacking the NDP was to point out all the other NDP governments that have failed in every other province. So they said, look at the NDPs in British Columbia destroying the economy. They destroyed the economy in Saskatchewan. They destroyed the economy in Manitoba. And they destroyed the economy in Ontario.
Corey
18:28
That's right. That's why we're always sending food aid to those three places. Well,
Carter
18:32
Well, it's hilarious. Hilarious. I mean, every
Carter
18:35
every other province has had an NDP government and they're still there. Everything's OK. Maybe this isn't such a bad thing after all. Seems to be the message. And
Corey
18:46
said you said they needed something small to blow up and become endemic of them not being ready or whatever. Yes. And that
Carter
18:55
It absolutely was it. and the PC has completely missed it.
SPEAKER_02
19:01
Okay, let's move on to a few other questions that you guys answered in some previous episodes. Now, Corey, when I asked you how many seats the NDP needed in Calgary to claim victory, you said seven. And for context, they did win 14 as far as my last count goes. Now, there is one up in the air in Calgary Glenmore, which is a tie on the nose. And Carter, you said they needed two. Now, you
SPEAKER_02
19:24
you abused the rules last time, So I'm going to give you a punch in the gut this time. But, Corey, you know, seven was would definitely have done the trick. Tell me a little bit more about the wave that came through Calgary, because, man, oh, man, was that I'm going to say unexpected. Corey, you're going to abuse me for that, but I'm going to say it. I think most people did not expect
Corey
19:40
expect that. It was not unexpected. Look, I mean, the polls said they were up two to one on their next closest competitor in Calgary. And again, we went into this with our eyes closed. This is one of these things I've been saying since the start of the election.
Corey
19:53
They were going to win when they were up two to one. I was on the CBC panel the day before the election, and
Corey
19:58
and Susan and Bruce, who I know and who I respect, they were saying, oh, but where do the votes come from?
Corey
20:04
Everywhere is the answer. I
SPEAKER_02
20:05
I was saying the same thing, Stephen. To some extent, you were saying the same thing.
Carter
20:09
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's crazy to me. I mean, when you look at the map, I mean, I was thinking the NDP needed to win two of the three legs of the stool, and
Carter
20:17
and they won all three legs. I mean, they have seats
Carter
20:22
seats in the north. They have seats in the south. They have seats in Calgary. They have Edmonton. They're everywhere.
Carter
20:28
It's massive. They're the new PCs. They play
SPEAKER_02
20:33
I think Corey just played some judo on us. I think he wants us to punch ourselves in our own guts right there with his little brag about being the only guy that was right. Interesting. Okay, now, when I asked you guys about a majority or minority government, Corey, you were bang on the nose. An NDP majority, you can take two victory laps for that. Carter, you and I both thought a PC minority there. We've discussed this a little bit. Any other words on what the outcome was outside of Corey bragging that the polls were right and ergo he was right?
Carter
21:01
Well, I mean, what are you going to do? There was a, it turns out that there was a landslide.
Carter
21:07
landslide. There was an opportunity the NDP took advantage of. I had no idea the PCs would
Carter
21:18
this bad and this low. So, you
Carter
21:21
you know, if you could have bet me a lot of money that Chief Hansen was going to win his seat.
Carter
21:27
I would have been ready to do
Carter
21:28
A lot of money.
Carter
21:30
And yet I would have also bet a lot of money that Sandra Janssen was going to lose her seat. So this was this was unexpected. unexpected. And I think that that's ultimately
Carter
21:42
ultimately what is so interesting is that a PC minority was an entirely reasonable bet.
Carter
21:51
PCs being reduced to 10 seats, you
Carter
21:55
you know, you would have laughed at me if I'd said that on the podcast on Sunday.
Carter
22:00
I wouldn't have laughed at
Carter
22:01
Yeah, but you're crazy.
SPEAKER_02
22:03
Oh my God. Are you going to play this the same way, holier than thou? Thanks for engaging, Corey. Okay, next question.
Corey
22:08
Well, hold on. I want to say this is interesting to me.
Corey
22:13
Where were you guys basing that on with the benefit of hindsight, like looking back on the own sort of mental mistakes you made? And I'm not trying to be the guy I sound
SPEAKER_02
22:26
You phrased it a
Carter
22:27
a little bit better, Corey.
SPEAKER_02
22:29
listen, I'm going to give you my justification, and frankly, as a host of the show, I can do whatever I want, is what I've realized. There was two things for me. Number one, I never counted out the PC ground game, especially in battlegrounds like Calgary. And number two, and this is one we haven't talked about, so maybe we want to chat about this, there were people on this list of PC candidates at loss that were, like, not elder statesmen, but stables of the PC party. We're looking at Mandel, Lukaszek, Swadecki, You know, people who
SPEAKER_02
22:58
who held minister jobs, Dirks, Kahn, Klimchuk. I mean, at some point, I expected people to look at the choice between ideology and getting rid of this party and looking at their local representation and saying, I actually like this man or this lady as my local representative. If I'm actually going to put my ex beside this person because they've done good for my community. That did not end up happening en masse, and that was something I was banking on.
Corey
23:21
Well, that's because you haven't worked for the Liberal Party, where we've had great candidates time and time again who have been clobbered by idiots in a blue shirt.
Corey
23:29
The reality is people vote by
SPEAKER_02
23:31
But there were the incumbents that were sitting in office. Some of them held minister jobs and were
Corey
23:35
were then ousted. Let me put it this way. Dave Brancanier lost to Rob Anders, okay?
SPEAKER_02
23:44
people have lost to Rob Anders, but point taken. It's a brand
SPEAKER_02
23:47
thing. I get you.
Carter
23:48
I think, though, that my justification for the minority was that I didn't expect the NDP to be able to color the board
Carter
23:57
board orange in the rural communities. And I certainly didn't expect them to be quite as big in Calgary. In fact, when you look at Calgary, what is striking to me is, where's the Wild Rose?
Carter
24:08
The Wild Rose isn't in Calgary at all.
Carter
24:12
And that was, I mean, if you told me that the Wild Rose could win 20 seats and none of them would be in Calgary, I'd tell you you're crazy. Well,
Corey
24:19
Well, the Wild Rose, they don't have anything in the major centers. That's going to be an interesting opposition. It
Carter
24:25
It is an opposition that represents a rural Alberta point of view, which is fine. It's a legitimate point of view. Those voters here are entitled to just as much representation as anybody else. But usually we have parties that are urban and then move out. And the Wild Rose is trying rural to move into the cities, and I don't think it's going to be as successful. whereas that the ndp they just they they were winning everywhere and like
Carter
24:51
like i said earlier i i don't think i mean the the pc minority idea kind of came from the
Carter
24:58
the pc's winning a lot more of those rural seats that the wild rose picked up and winning the rural seats that the ndp picked up and
Carter
25:05
and then winning more seats in calgary so
Corey
25:07
so where i think i was sort of going was the pcs themselves themselves seemed to think they were going to win oh
Carter
25:14
oh they were lying liars weren't they holy
Corey
25:19
i i mean part of it maybe you guys gave them the
Corey
25:22
the benefit of the doubt that they actually had something some secret sauce some numbers otherwise i'll
Corey
25:27
i'll be really interested to dissect this in the coming weeks as to how
Corey
25:31
how much of it was delusion how much was outright lies and how much is in any way justifiable what they were saying in the last couple of days like is it even good strategy to say, oh, don't worry, we got this the day before an election where you almost get wiped off the map.
SPEAKER_02
25:46
Let's chat about another topic here. Let's move on just a little bit. When I asked you guys about the Alberta Liberal Party as it related to our good old Calgary Flames who
SPEAKER_02
25:57
had a great win last night, Corey, you went off the bandwagon and said that the Flames would would not win as many or more games as the Alberta Liberals, and Carter, being a good Calgarian, you said they absolutely would. Now, tie goes to the Flames. Corey, you were wrong. The Alberta Liberals only picked up one seat. We can talk about the Flames, but let's talk about Dr. David Swan and what that was like. Yesterday, he gave a very, I don't know what to call it, strange speech by kind of taking backhanded credit for the NDP winning. He declared
SPEAKER_02
26:29
I don't know what to make of it. I honestly don't. So two things for you guys. Number one, let's talk about David Swan and what the Liberal Party is doing going forward. And then, actually, let's just talk those two things separately. What happens to David Swan, the man? And secondly, what happens to the Alberta Liberal Party going forward?
Carter
26:45
David Swan, the man, is the most confused politician in Canada right now. When he took credit
Carter
26:56
for the victory, I
Carter
27:00
just about lost my mind. He
Carter
27:02
was not responsible for the NDP victory. Rachel Notley was. He didn't help the NDP in any fashion. In fact, him
Corey
27:12
fair, maybe he did.
Carter
27:14
Just by being so weak.
Corey
27:16
Yeah, well, the vote, the left-wing vote all coalesced, right? But I don't think that this is like some sort of Manchurian candidate thing. I actually was taken aback by how much he seemed to be gloating
Corey
27:28
gloating and applauding and saying how great it was. And
Corey
27:32
particularly given, someone was pointing out to me today, he was in a room full of people who just got beaten. You know, his defeated candidates were there, and he's sitting there gloating.
SPEAKER_02
27:40
And it seemed like he was the first person from the Liberal Party to jump on that bandwagon. It was very strange from my vantage point in watching on TV. There
Carter
27:47
There was no bandwagon for him to jump onto. He was an unwelcome trespasser on someone else's victory. And him doing what he did showed a tremendous lack of class. uh and everybody keeps talking about david swan the great statesman i i am waiting to see uh where that david swan is let's
SPEAKER_02
28:07
let's talk about his label a little bit what happens to the alberta liberal party cory i'll start with you for obvious reasons um is is what i mean what happens yeah this
Corey
28:16
this is their worst case scenario because now they're in they're in limbo they're in purgatory um they have one seat and
Corey
28:24
and that's where all of their credibility lies at this point but it's with their past leader and how do they move on because he will be their de facto leader in the legislature until he seeds that seat at which point they will have no seeds it's it's a perfect storm it's really bad i actually think the liberals would have been better off if they had a total wipeout because that would have been wiped out to build carter do you feel the same
SPEAKER_02
28:46
same way a wipeout would have been much more favorable to them no
Carter
28:48
no dead is dead it doesn't really matter matter how you die great
SPEAKER_02
28:54
i'm gonna i'm gonna take it there listen on that one that's cory i will give
Corey
28:58
give that's gonna be on carter's tombstone by the way listen
SPEAKER_02
29:00
listen dead is dead cory i'm gonna give you three gut punches for that one no one should bet against the flames uh and carter let's let's have you run two laps if you can uh do that without getting winded um
SPEAKER_02
29:13
two other items i want to discuss around this in terms of guys's predictions now both of you guys had predicted a score score of seven or eight on the legit meter, if you remember that, for the IVR phone polling system. I want to talk about polling a little bit more because, Corey, you were an absolute believer about polling. And you were standing right there, side by side, making every prediction in this election for the last couple of weeks with the polls. The rest of us weren't so convinced. And effectively, the polls turned out to be right. All 20 of them that signaled the same thing. That's a healthy dose of skepticism from the rest of Alberta. Let's talk about the IVR phone polling system and polling at large. Is it back? Is it now credible? What space does it sit in right now as it relates to political campaigning?
Corey
29:56
So it's gotten a lot better. What they've understood between 2012 and now is that you can't just call everybody and assume that's a sample. They do weighting on IVR that's a lot more sophisticated than it was in 2012. And when I was talking to a pollster friend of mine who had writing by writing numbers, what they told me today is they They were really
Corey
30:15
really excited, not just about the overall number tracking so closely to what they were saying, but on a riding-by-riding level, they were right the vast majority of the time. I think that IVR is back, at least for now, but I think in the long term, IVR is fundamentally a doomed polling method.
Carter
30:32
Carter, what do you think?
Carter
30:34
I think that IVR is so cheap that it will continue to be used, but it's cheap for a reason, and that is that it's not particularly effective.
Carter
30:44
these polls all worked out. This seemed to work very well. And we had an election where the polling matched. But I
Carter
30:54
I don't know. I mean, I still get very skeptical of polls because polls are measuring yesterday. It's not necessarily that I object to the polls. It's how we use the polls. Everybody says if an election were held today and then they project forward 10 weeks or Ten days, five days, three days, two days. And in politics, on these types of elections, things change in 72 hours. And polls,
Carter
31:21
polls, you know what, polls tell us what happened yesterday. They're not really that good still at telling us what's going to happen tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02
31:28
So I want to challenge you a little bit on that point. Because, you know, last podcast we talked about, Corey talked about the runway that it takes for messaging. You know, there is a delay between putting out an action and actually having it resonate with the public. is a poll not two days before the election not the most valid thing you can you know put your hat on in terms of betting when it gets to what the final result is going to be i
Carter
31:49
don't think i mean it's it certainly is a the best measurement but i'm not sure that that's how i'd want to win an election um
Carter
31:55
um if i wanted to win an election putting out a series of polls that shows that i'm in the lead isn't going to win me the election um what's going to win me the election is a a message that resonates with people that people want to be a part of. And let's be clear, the message that the NDP put out, no one's remembering their platform today.
Carter
32:14
No one's talking about all the great platform ideas that Rachel Notley put forward. What they're talking about is that she had the best campaign, she was the best leader, she had the most candidates, she was the only one who
Carter
32:24
who was in a position to capture all those anti-votes. And the angry people voted for her. And that's really what the polling was capturing. capturing the polls were getting all the angry people every
Carter
32:36
every time and it was only the angry people who were answering those polls so
SPEAKER_02
32:41
so there it is well i'll give both of you guys a victory lap you can hold hands side
SPEAKER_02
32:46
take that one together okay last one in in this category i want to talk about because you guys had diverging views on this uh twitter carter you called this a two out of ten in terms of how legit it would be cory you called a seven out of 10 uh i i don't really know how to assign scores here but i just wanted to discuss this topic because i want to see if you guys had any any final thoughts or wanted to revisit it because the trend on social media was certainly ndp and a sign of change but is is is the medium just at you know anti anti-establishment in the in that case and so
Corey
33:17
so i've had a lot of time to think about this uh since carter made his original comments and i think steven you got a fundamental flaw there that i'm going to point out and take oh here we go doing so
Carter
33:27
so yeah that's good you said
Corey
33:28
said said it's not real until it's on Facebook. And
Corey
33:30
And I sort of agree with that. But then you went on to say it starts at Twitter and then it goes to Facebook. So that's kind of like to me saying the ignition part of my car is not useful. Only the car is useful. Right. I tell
Carter
33:42
tell you what you try to run your car with only your ignition system and try and move it up or down the hills and it's not going to work.
Corey
33:50
Well, you try to move your car without being able to start it.
SPEAKER_02
33:56
I'm going to let this go as long as I can just to make people realize you guys know nothing about cars. Okay.
SPEAKER_02
34:03
Listen, I'm going to tally up the votes right here and listen, Corey, you had a absolutely good round, but the winner clearly is Stephen Carter. Corey, let this be a lesson to you that you never go against the Calgary Flames. Okay,
Corey
34:16
Okay, okay. But listen, you didn't talk about the most important one in my opinion. You asked us what we thought our percents would be.
Corey
34:24
Yes, this is true. Just
SPEAKER_02
34:25
Just lay it out there. You were right on the nose with percentage. Is that what you want to tell everyone? Yeah, 41
Corey
34:30
41% NDP, 28% PC. Called it to the number.
SPEAKER_02
34:35
Fantastic. Okay, I want to move on. We've got a lot to talk about. Corey, you can have your victory laps later. You can have your combined victory laps together at your own discretion. Let's go to this next segment. A funeral, a birthday, a reincarnation, and a dead body. Guys, let's...
SPEAKER_02
34:51
I am in Vegas. guess these are all things i plan to do over the next couple of days but this is also my
SPEAKER_02
34:58
my analysis of what happened yesterday first let's start with the pc campaign 10 seats out of 87 the party gets absolutely crushed in stronghold of calgary but moreover than that i want to start with with something else i want to start with jim prentice let's talk about what he did last night he went up to the stage resigned as leader of the pc party but also triggered a by-election by resigning his seat that he just got elected and even i know you live he
Corey
35:24
he did not even get elected yet it was not
SPEAKER_02
35:28
was not confirmed okay steven i know you were livid about this so i'll let you go first well
Carter
35:32
well i'll tell you what i've never seen someone step down as a as an elected official before the ballots have been counted they were literally counting people's ballots people who took time out of their day to vote for jim prentice mark an x beside his name they were not getting their Their votes didn't matter. And the idea that you're only putting your name on a ballot if it works out in your favor. I
Carter
36:00
mean, sure, most of us know that if you lose your riding, you're done. You don't have to worry about it. Right, right. But when you win your riding, you have been asked by the people of your riding to serve as their representative. And he said, you know what? Fuck you. And then that's it. And he was gone. Yeah, he was gone. You
Corey
36:20
You know, all he missed was dropping the mic, getting in a limo and putting the middle finger out the sunroof. Oh,
Carter
36:25
Oh, my God. That's all it was. Is
SPEAKER_02
36:27
Is that is that not kind of honest to why he was brought here? And I'm going to put brought here in quotes. I mean, he was billed as a savior, as a messiah. If anyone could do it, he could. And if he couldn't do it, he he buzzed off. Well,
Corey
36:40
think this is this is why he lost. If we're going to if we're going to start deconstructing like this. Yeah, please
SPEAKER_02
36:45
That's a good segue. He
Corey
36:48
went out there and he lost the leadership or the premiership, but he won his seat. And he said, you know what?
Corey
36:55
Being a mere representative of the people is beneath me. I'm out of here. If I can't be in charge, I'm gone. And he gave off that vibe the entire election in some way, shape or form. You know, look in the mirror. Kind of this condescending math is hard. There was this sense that he just thought he was in charge. And Albertans, I think, fundamentally don't
Corey
37:14
don't like it when people come in and tell them that they're in charge. They like to be in
SPEAKER_02
37:18
in charge. I don't think anyone does, frankly, with that being said. Carter, do you agree with that analysis?
Carter
37:22
analysis? I totally agree with it. I mean, everybody was getting a feeling from this guy. And they couldn't put it into words, but that feeling was just reinforced tenfold by him standing up and saying, you know what, sorry
Carter
37:36
sorry folks, I was just kidding.
Carter
37:39
Boy, oh boy, talk about just visiting. Comes back from Toronto, runs and wins the leadership, does his little barnstorming turn, loses the election, and then that's it. And
Carter
37:53
wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in Toronto very, very soon on some high-powered boards, making a lot more money than any of us are going to make.
SPEAKER_02
38:02
Carter, you talked about the leadership there, and I want to talk about that a little bit more as a road down some good moves I remember us talking in the summer when he won his leadership that he could be here to stay. He made some good moves during the leadership. They won the three straight by-elections, a couple of them close ones. At the same time, he got the wild rose to cross over in what many were calling a political masterstroke. How did something so
SPEAKER_02
38:32
so good go so bad so
Carter
38:35
so quickly? What happened? Well, I think that what happens is you become too smart by half. And people, when you're making all those political moves, one of the things we have to remember and keep in the back of our minds is people don't actually like politics that much. And they don't like it when we behave like entitled brats. And he was starting to behave like an entitled brat. And when he brought over Danielle Smith, there were two things about bringing over Danielle Smith and the rest of the Wild Rose. Number one, it just fundamentally undermined democracy. And number two, he screwed her. He screwed her and he screwed the entire Wild Rose caucus that came over. They were made, promises were made to those folks and promises were broken. And I think that Albertan said, you know what, maybe we can't trust this guy if he's going to screw over the very people that he's bringing over to help. Do
SPEAKER_02
39:27
Do you think people were paying attention at that point? I remember some polling came out around the time that the crossers went over to the PCs, and it seemed like all of the credit was going to Prentice and all of the blame was going to Smith. And at that moment in time, even when she lost her seat and a couple other crossers lost their seat, it seemed like he was doing fine. I'm not challenging you on that, but I think it's interesting that it went so quickly and so rapidly, this demise. Well,
Corey
39:54
Well, I'm going to back Carter up. I think he's 100% right. I think it just looked too Machiavellian. know he came in um he
Corey
40:01
he he won this leadership in a bit of a walk some parts of it even got a little weird and a little questionable i'm thinking of you know the
Corey
40:08
the vote irregularities going in and whatnot not saying it would change yeah but it just he
Corey
40:12
he started to get this sense that this guy was just you know come hell or high water gonna get what he wanted and um that
Corey
40:18
that doesn't that doesn't look good on a politician not even a bit
Carter
40:22
then he appoints two cabinet ministers that haven't been that haven't been elected by the people, moves them into ridings, moves other people out of the ridings. I mean, the way he treated Premier Dave Hancock around that time was just intolerable. It was terrible. And all of these things start adding up. And we can start to get a picture of the fellow that he's not the guy we thought he was. And that
Carter
40:48
that is where things ended up in this election and
Corey
40:52
and you know what it
Corey
40:53
it was it was classic business maneuver you know not to be too anti business here but this was you
Corey
40:59
you know he he treated albertans like we were shareholders that he was going to impress with his clever dealings but ultimately we
Corey
41:05
we wanted an honest guy we could trust and we felt we could trust and we didn't get that with jim prentice no
SPEAKER_02
41:11
no and you know and you know what that business pitch was something that was a campaign narrative through and through and and something that many have described as being one of the chief flaws of this campaign pain uh if if you guys were to describe a few others or you know i asked this question last time which is the straw that broke the camel's back in your guys's opinion for the last 29 or 28 days in this campaign what was it for you that you felt like that's the moment that is when it happened uh and that's when i went down many are signaling the debates but for you guys was there was there another moment or a moment it
Corey
41:42
it was sooner for me i mean that camel had a pretty weak back from the onset that
Corey
41:48
they didn't uh they didn't go into that putting their best foot forward and the fact they went into it at all was really they lost it the minute they called it with the benefit of hindsight albertans were furious about that and i think if it hadn't been rachel notley it would have been brian gene i just don't think the pcs had the votes from day one to win that thing yeah
Carter
42:05
yeah it was really uh you
Carter
42:08
you know the fixed election law it's a flawed law um i mean i think that everybody knows that well not everybody knows because people don't understand the parliamentary you know the parliamentary system but to have a fixed election date is it's popular with the people but it's not a particularly good idea in a uh in this type of a legislature um but to it was put in it was incredibly flexible because you could choose it within three months it's not like a fixed election date it was a fixed election period which we got a lot of of trouble for when we put it in. But then to just simply ignore it. Oh, my goodness. I mean, people were losing their minds and
Carter
42:46
and they should have been.
SPEAKER_02
42:48
Yeah, absolutely. Corey, I want to jump on something that you were talking about here as it related to, I guess, leveraging it into a conversation about the NDP. You know, Jim Prentice got a little bit too smart for half. And at the same time, there was tons of mistakes here on the PC side. But when you look at the the ndp campaign the word that's being described quite a bit is that they ran a flawless campaign and cory you were just mentioning right now that if it wasn't rachel notley it would could have been brian gene that captured these votes and took home the big prize number one i guess it's two-part question did the ndp run a flawless campaign and number two why was it rachel notley
Corey
43:25
well nobody runs a flawless campaign there were a couple of small flaws but they ran a really good campaign one
Corey
43:31
one of the things that makes it a good campaign is they cleaned up their messes quickly
Corey
43:36
to the other part why rachel notley because she's awesome she's the best by far of those leaders at a lot of those measurable skills uh she she was the warmest of the leaders in my opinion she was the smartest of the leaders and i am including you know the big brain jim prentice there i think she's smarter than he is certainly the result bears that out she just ran laps around him and And her party was behind her, not
Corey
44:02
not just because her party was popular. And she came with a core group of people who had been laying the groundwork for years, including Brian Mason. And he's going to get a lot of credit in the coming months, I think, for the steps he took. As
Corey
44:15
They did everything right. I said this on Twitter months ago about the NDP. I
Corey
44:22
I compared them, Zane, you'll enjoy this, to the Toronto Raptors, who at the time were a pretty good basketball team. We all saw what happened when they met the much better Washington Wizards in the playoffs there.
Corey
44:35
But they did very well in the regular season, not because they were great, but because they had no bad parts, right? And there's something to be said for a team constructed with no bad parts, no glaring holes. The Liberals have glaring holes. The PCs have glaring holes. The Wild Rose, you bet your ass they have glaring holes. But the NDP did everything good or better. and
Corey
44:56
and that absolutely set them up for success. Okay,
SPEAKER_02
44:58
I want to jump in there before you get in, Carter. I want to jump in there before you get in, Carter. You said no glaring holes. Now, a lot of people are waking up this morning looking at that roster of candidates, maybe looking at their new representative, whether that be in Edmonton, Calgary, or somewhere else in the province, and they're saying, God damn it, this is my representative?
SPEAKER_02
45:17
That looks like a glaring hole to me. No, it's a hole, but it was
SPEAKER_02
45:21
No, no, it was not glaring. Okay, so as much as you can say, Corey, that we should not have been surprised by the result, are Albertans going to have a little bit of, A, buyer's remorse, and B, to a lot of people, that looks like a glaring hole, whether they were aware of it or not. Carter, do you have any comment around that? Yeah,
Carter
45:37
Yeah, here's my comment. The NDP campaign looks really good in the face of a PC campaign that was really bad. There really is. Historically bad, in your opinion? I think it's one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. And I'm comparing, and I'm including Dix's campaign in British Columbia where he dropped like a stone right in the middle of it. It
Carter
45:59
It was a really bad campaign. Every decision that was made seemed bad. The smug confidence that they were going to win. What did the PC campaign do to undermine or to take the NDP campaign off of its game? And what did the NDPs do to win the confidence of Albertans? honest to god i believe the ndp won simply because they
Carter
46:24
they were the least offensive and
Carter
46:27
you know like that
Corey
46:28
that sounds like no glaring holes to me that sounds like you're agreeing with me
Corey
46:32
me are you kidding
Carter
46:36
you and i had done awful research on the the end uh the ndp you
Carter
46:42
you and i would have had some fun just
Carter
46:45
just the two of us we don't have to build a war room the two of us could have done a war room-esque look
Carter
46:50
look at the NDP, and we would have had a gas on it.
SPEAKER_02
46:55
Listen, guys, not to demise your skills, but it only took average
SPEAKER_02
46:59
average everyday Albertans only a couple of hours this morning to find out who exactly their representatives were. It only took a little bit of interest and a little bit of time to make that happen. That disengagement, I think, is certainly true. But at the same time, I might hear you say, Carter, that that this campaign was was good but effectively what wanted for them was just a very historically bad campaign on the other side yeah
Corey
47:24
yeah i don't think you give them enough credit and we can talk about that we can how good was how
Carter
47:29
how good was the pc campaign gory it
Corey
47:31
it was scale of one to ten
Corey
47:33
good was it scale of one to ten it was a one and that's a charitable one right but it's a charitable one but
Corey
47:39
but oh let me tell you when you start comparing these things things, apples to apples, candidates to candidates. The
Corey
47:46
The PCs had worse
Corey
47:48
worse baggage, in my opinion, than the NDs did. Because, you know, Mike Allen versus, you
Corey
47:54
know, a woman who takes a selfie in her bathing suit, come on. Come on. We're getting so distracted here, I think, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02
48:03
Okay, so hold on. Let me move it on a little bit, because I think this is an interesting discussion, and it'll certainly unfold as it does. But let's talk a little bit, and very quickly about the, and I want to go back because I was on the PC side, but I want to have one more question on the PC side.
SPEAKER_02
48:20
Quickly from you guys, what is the future of the PC party in your opinion? You'd mentioned Greg Clark potentially positioning himself as center center, right? Maybe. But from your guys' opinion, standing here today, one day after the election, while the body is still warm, what is your opinion of the PC party?
Carter
48:37
is no future for the PC party. It is done. The only thing that kept the PC party together was power, and power is gone.
Corey
48:47
Yeah, they don't have enough staff to man a Burger King at this point. They won't know what to do with themselves. The problem with a party that's been in power as long as them is bureaucracy and party bleed together. other and you start to rely on you saw this with the federal liberals too you start to rely on the bureaucracy way
Corey
49:07
than you should and your
Corey
49:09
your party apparatus shrivels and dies and they don't have a party apparatus and they don't have a caucus of any size i i think they're in a lot of trouble a
SPEAKER_02
49:17
lot of trouble is very clear but at the same time yesterday they had the second highest vote total both in terms of raw votes and percentage than any party there now for a party with only 10 seats certainly certainly makes you think but at the same time that seems like support now if someone does not stake the center right do you not see them coming back in any form or fashion well in
Corey
49:38
in 1993 the i think the party with the second most votes was the was the pcs wasn't it they
Corey
49:45
they got two seats where are they they got they
Carter
49:46
they got two seats and then the pcs could never recover and the argument was in 19 from 1993 to 1997 uh we got the second most number of votes we'll bounce back. We have the second highest percentage of votes. We're going to bounce right back. These regional parties will never be able to keep us down. And you know what? Those regional parties grew stronger and stronger. And now where are the PCs? They're done at a federal level.
SPEAKER_02
50:13
Okay. Interesting analysis. Okay. That was the funeral of the PCs. We talked a little bit about the birthday party that was the NDP. Guys, I want to just touch very briefly on what you think some some of the major challenges that the NDP are going to be facing in the next, let's say, month or so. And we know cabinet's one of them. We know the potential budget might be down the pike. Anything else that you guys see that should be of note from your vantage points as to what this means in terms of change of government and where these tentacles might reach?
Corey
50:39
Yeah, they're going to have to set a legislative agenda and then set the speed of that agenda. We're coming into the summer. I'll be curious to see what a sitting looks like. And are they going to do a full budget or just a mini budget to deal with the most pressing concerns like education for the fall well
Corey
50:53
well these are things they're going to have to answer and
Corey
50:55
and they've got a fine balance they're going to have to strike between uh
Corey
50:59
not scaring the crap out of everybody and not moving too slow because slow equals uncertainty and uncertainty equals bad i
Carter
51:07
i disagree with you i think they've got lots of time to move slowly um
Carter
51:11
um you know the the bringing in of a budget uh quickly is going to be very challenging for them uh i would go at a at a very deliberate pace and I would go slow to reassure the oil patch and maybe if you're focused on only one thing and that one thing is going to be the budget and then of course you're going to bring in some accountability measures to make sure you toast the PCs by eliminating corporate donations. But that seems to be like a fairly good agenda for whenever the first legislative session is.
Corey
51:42
Well, I think that one thing they absolutely have to settle is this royalty thing and it's one thing to say we're going to do it when the industry is better but that means this will remain uncertain until an uncertain time in the future. They're going to need to talk about what's going to activate that, what they're hoping to get out of that, who's going to be on that panel. I think those details, they're going to have to settle by the fall. I do.
SPEAKER_02
52:04
Lots to talk about at the NDP, but we'll leave it there for now. We'll discuss it on future episodes. That was the birthday party. Let's talk about the reincarnation of the Wild Rose Party. Now, you guys mentioned this earlier. They got no seats in any of the major urban centers, but, man, did they do quite well. They picked up seats from where they stood even in 2012.
SPEAKER_02
52:24
What do you make of Brian Jean's, what I'm going to call a contextual victory, as leader of the opposition yesterday? And how do you see this dynamic playing both in the legislature but also from a campaign perspective? What is your analysis of the wild rose?
Carter
52:39
Brian Jean could have been the premier if he'd figured out how to say anything other than we're going to keep your taxes low in the leaders' debate. debate.
Carter
52:47
His performance in the leaders' debate was horrendous. And then you contrast that with his speech last night, his victory, or his, you know, I'm going to be the official opposition speech. His speech last night, who is that guy? People would love that guy. If that guy had shown up in the debates, I think things would have gone much differently for them. So on the one hand, it's got to be a victory. You increase your seat total. You have a leader that's been in there for uh less than 50 days um very impressive on the other it is a bit of a missed opportunity if if they'd been able to uh uh
Carter
53:21
humanize brian gene a little bit more i think that uh they they would have been uh
Carter
53:25
uh more capable of holding the the ndp to a minority yeah
Corey
53:30
yeah you know i love the wild rose and i love brian gene i think those guys are awesome and there's something now they're not my cup of tea. I don't really like their policies, but that kind of flinty, we're going to do it ourselves, roll up our sleeves, hey, check out this terrible backdrop and this terrible podium that looks like my kid made it. There's something so damn endearing about that and so on brand with this small government, no taxes thing they've got going on. I think they're going to be a pretty good opposition, especially to the NDP.
SPEAKER_02
54:01
Interesting. Okay, so we've covered the reincarnation we've also talked a little bit about the dead body which is the alberta liberal party cory did you want to add anything to what you said earlier about the liberals anything that's come to mind or or should we just let it rest and say that it's ultimately over yeah
Corey
54:17
yeah the thing about dead bodies is it's best to just call the coroner and move on i think i
Carter
54:23
i would like to propose a moment of silence for the liberal party of alberta are
SPEAKER_02
54:27
are we calling the time
SPEAKER_02
54:33
as close to a moment
Corey
54:33
moment as we're gonna get yeah our
SPEAKER_02
54:35
our our final section the lightning round as always um cory are you ready for it you betcha baby okay yes
SPEAKER_02
54:44
yes or no manmeet bular runs for the leadership of the pc party of alberta yes
SPEAKER_02
54:51
interesting dr david swan resigns as As leader of the Alberta Liberal Party.
Carter
54:57
a leader right now.
Carter
54:59
was the interim leader.
SPEAKER_02
55:01
He resigns as the interim leader.
SPEAKER_02
55:06
Did I hear you say no? Well, that's interesting. I think Corey knows David a little bit. Well,
Carter
55:10
Well, yeah. His ego knows no bounds.
SPEAKER_02
55:13
The NDP pick up the seat in Calgary foothills that Jim Prentiss leaves vacant.
Carter
55:19
Oh, I'm going to go with no. No, just because I want to be able to look back on this podcast with shame.
SPEAKER_02
55:25
Kelly Charlebois resigns as executive director of the PC party again.
Carter
55:29
Resigns? They're not going to be able
Carter
55:31
to pay him. Resigns, leaves. I like
Corey
55:33
like Kelly. Suddenly people will realize he hasn't answered his phone in a month, and that'll be that. The last time anybody talked about Kelly Charlebois.
Carter
55:42
Oh, you guys. I mean, here's my big question. Who's going to go to their fundraiser?
Carter
55:47
Their leader's dinner is next week. This is true. This is true. I can't believe it. It's the best thing ever.
SPEAKER_02
55:55
Bring your pins and drop them. Lori Blakeman becomes a staffer or somehow
SPEAKER_02
56:03
is affiliated with the NDP. Yes or no, going forward? No. No.
SPEAKER_02
56:09
The NDP end up with the same amount of candidates going into the next election as they have today.
Corey
56:20
wait what do you mean by that i'm
Carter
56:21
i'm not even sure i understand the question
Carter
56:26
they're not going to lose any mlas they're
SPEAKER_02
56:28
they're i'm effectively saying some of them are egregious enough that they have to go citizen independence sorry that's my phrasing oh
Carter
56:33
oh yeah some of them are
Corey
56:35
have to go certainly
Corey
56:35
not then i'm sticking to that yeah interesting
Corey
56:38
has there been has there been a session of the legislature since 2008 we haven't seen a floor crossing
Carter
56:48
i think it even goes back further than that cory i think
SPEAKER_02
56:49
think it does yeah i think we've seen one every single time yeah
Carter
56:52
yeah i mean every someone crosses somewhere yeah
SPEAKER_02
56:56
in four years we have the same leader of the ndp and the wild rose party going into the election i
Carter
57:02
i think so absolutely
SPEAKER_02
57:05
the ndp get more than one seat federally
SPEAKER_02
57:08
federally because of this bump provincially oh
Corey
57:13
i'd hate i mean i don't take any joy in it but um i think particularly in edmonton like the funny thing about the liberals is i think they're much stronger in calgary in some ways um but
Corey
57:23
but i think in edmonton the liberals are really going to be feeling it now well
SPEAKER_02
57:28
there it is let's wrap it there episode 530 of the strategists i'm zane velji with me cory hogan stephen carter we'll see you next time