Episode 4013: Use All of It or Use None

This is the Strategist episode 1413, mind me, 1413, Carter, we're

My name is Zain Velji, with me as always, Shannon Phillips, Stephen Carter. Guys, the small navel oranges of podcasts, episode 4013, it's good. We

We did large navel oranges last time, right?

We're still the orange apologists.

One of us is.

There's a deep cut.

um fix it back speaking of speaking of orange apologist i was not going to start here but shannon did you watch any of that leadership debate last night and

and tell me why you didn't

i did not uh because i was on an airplane however uh i was being rage texted uh by my friends and essentially them flagging parts that would make me the most mad uh and i didn't have time uh today uh when i was on the bus home to uh look it up because i don't care enough and also the hockey game was on wow

wow nicely nicely said steven carter i suspect you tuned in um you are avi lewis fan boy number one uh and you've always suggested that uh mark carney is accelerating a uh militarized petro state uh which is something you have talked about many times on this podcast with

with full support times i mean basically i've been giving him his lines uh i've been writing them for him you

you know as you know i wish that he uh didn't exist in politics but here we are here we are zane um

um carter you just build segways uh didn't exist in politics uh could be

could be the uh the sub headline for the next person i want to talk about does the phrase use it all or none uh

uh ring a bell to you steven carter does that apply to does that ring a bell is

that all or none i

i you know it's funny it's funny because someone put that in a uh in a in a statement about me uh

just the other day really

implying i had some sort of mental health issues um you

because you don't like racism yeah

yeah because because racist behavior uh where you talk about replacement theory uh and you talk about the judeo-christian ethic upon which this country was formed um

you imply that there's not a place for uh people who who are different than that, and I called that out. I called it out, Zane, and I called it racist because you know why? It is.

Let me fill in the gaps. Let me fill in the gaps. So City to City TV takes a clip of our podcast, the segment from last episode, 4012 Large Navel Oranges, as other people have called it, where we are discovering in real time, myself included, the Bruce McAllister tweet, and then I'm trying to verify if it is indeed his account. Shannon calls it full replacement theory. Stephen Carter says, I'm not shocked. This is racist. City TV then takes this to the chief of staff, the premier, who says the following. Do you want me to read the quote, Carter? I can read the quote. I think you should.

should. I think that reading the quote gives it the full context.

Those that accuse others of racism for pointing out that the current immigration levels in Canada are unsustainable should seek help. I wish Mr. Carter the best and hope he gets the assistance and attention he so clearly needs. Unquote. Use it all or use none.

You got to admire the use it all or use none. I mean. I

I want to fill in the blanks for our listeners. he was telling the the journalist from city tv use

use all of this quote or use none of it yeah in other words you must print that stephen carter has mental health issues for print pointing out that white replacement theory is racist you must say that or you don't get a response from the premier of alberta yeah

is the use the full quote about going after carter or Or fuck it, no comment from us. We'll use the whole quote,

quote, accusing a private citizen of

of having something wrong with them because they are leveling fair criticism at the government.

Make sure that you use the power of the state to target that person via

If not, you do not get a response from the representative and spokesperson for the Premier of Alberta.

That's what that was.

Listen, I mean, these guys are the smallest type of politicians. They're always fighting against the others, right? Whether the others are the Stephen Carters of the world or immigrants or LGBTQ or, you know, name your teachers, teachers of the others, name your foe. These guys are always fighting against the others. And at some point, there are other circles. All the circles of others are going to represent the majority of Albertans. And I hope to God that we have the actual strength to stop this party before it spirals out of control. Although one could argue that their most recent behavior is spiraling out of control. Mr. Segway hits it again. Yeah.

Well, we haven't talked about that recently. For this episode, Shannon, we recorded prior to we recorded this prior to the premier's 13 minute address, which was fucking bananas, Shannon,

Shannon, for many reasons. By the way, fucking bananas. Episode 4011.

all into the self-checkout here, Stephen Carter. Carter. The premier does a 13 minute address, Shannon, in which she lays out in October 19, 2026 fall referendum, nine questions on immigration, permanent residence, abolishing the Senate jurisdictional issues. I can go through all of them, but I suspect listeners of this pod will be well aware of most of them that have been presented.

She lays out nine referendum questions And then today clarifies that should separatism or coal hit their citizen initiative thresholds that they are after, yeah, they will be tagged on to this October 19th date. Shannon, there's so much to dig into from the substance to the policy to the morality to the strategy. Start wherever you'd like. I'm giving you a free sort of commentary on what you saw last night. Carter, same to you. And then I want to go into strategy mode very, very quickly, despite the fact that I'm sure we've got plenty of outrage oozing out of us in terms of this government trying to do this. I

don't even know where to start on the immigration issues. I once heard fascism defined as a backlash against a revolution that never happened.

And that kind of describes what we're doing here. This is a series of public policy initiatives proposed from the government of Alberta that are designed to meet a problem that does not exist and

and an emergency that does not exist. If it does exist, it is of their own making. If there are logistical problems with how we did settlement through the 23 to 25 period, you know, at least the first half of 25, then they are of their own making. but they are nowhere near outside the norm of population growth in this province or in this country for the last century, for God's sakes. And

And so what we're talking about here is that, yeah, we had a 4.3% increase in population in 2024. It would have been more. In fact, 10 to 15,000 more people had Daniel Smith gotten her way when she asked to bring in And more temporary people, which

which she asked, they brought in, they capped it at 9,000 in 2024. She was asking for 20,000 in

in 2024, 2025, and 2026. And that's the provincial nominee, which are explicitly temporary people that then go into a path to permanent residency and citizenship.

She wanted way more. If there is a crisis, she wanted to double it, to triple it.

And we spent, by the way, people, millions of dollars doing that on

on ad campaign, on every possible channel. But also we have given tax breaks to people to move here of

of $5,000 for skilled tradespeople.

We have spent money on her agenda that until 10 minutes ago was about bringing people here to help grow the economy. Because here's the other thing, folks. We've now tamped down because of the immigration levels plan that came out through the budget of 2025 from the feds. We

We now have reduced immigration levels to the point where they are likely to be a drag on economic growth. And we're going to be having a completely different conversation by Q1 of 2027, especially

especially in provinces like Saskatchewan, where the only way that they keep their population

population stable is through migration,

but Alberta to a certain extent as well. So this is where we're at. This is where we are at. And I mean, those are the facts of the matter. But it is it is it is disgusting. It is, as Racky Pancholi said, it is bullshit that we are doing this. And it is it is extremely distressing. And like it

is very clearly what they have been setting out to do, even though they didn't run on any of it.

Carter, I'm going to go through these nine questions because there are probably people that, for whatever

whatever reason or not, are aware of them. I'll try to do a plain speak version of them. So question one, taking over immigration. Alberta have control of its own immigration system, focused on skilled workers, give locals dibs for jobs. Restricting fee services. Should provincially funded services like health care, education, social programs only be restricted to Canadian citizens and people with the Alberta approved status. A 12 month waiting period. Temporary residents be required to live in Alberta for at least a full year before they're allowed access to these support services. Targing health care for health care and schools. Temporary immigrants recharged a fee or a premium to use our health care and education system. Proof of citizenship to vote. Republican style voter ID law. Picking judges. Alberta have a chance to pick judges. Scrapping the Senate. Abolish it. Opting out and keeping the cash. Should provinces be allowed to opt out of federal programs like health care and social services, but still get the transfer payments? And finally, provincial laws win. If a provincial law and a federal law crash over a shared responsibility, province automatically overrides federal jurisdiction.