Transcript
Zain
0:03
This is the Strategist episode 1892. My name is Zain Velji. With me as always, Stephen Carter and Shannon Phillips. How are you, friends?
Carter
0:11
Oh, I'm having the best day. It's been fantastic.
Zain
0:14
Yeah. I'm cleaning out my basement. And that's nothing to do with the live show, which, by the way, we're not talking about.
Carter
0:20
No. You know what? I don't feel like promoting the live show anymore. Everybody knows that it's happening.
Zain
0:24
happening. Sorry. To be clear, that's why we don't want to talk about it. It's just we've gotten some feedback. We're done. people
Zain
0:28
people have been like even shannon was going too hard um on the live show problem people have said so we're gonna stop we're gonna stop promoting the live show okay
Shannon
0:37
yeah it's fine i find that rude but okay yeah get
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Zain
0:55
Yeah. No, no. I mean, welcome to our listeners. They are a rude bunch, especially those that don't pay.
Zain
1:02
feel like there is a group of people that don't pay to listen to us that are very rude. And then there's a group of people that pay that are extremely nice. And then there's a group of people that pay and are very rude. And we like them the most, Carter, to be clear. Yeah. And those are the people attending the VIP event, which, by the way, I'm not going to talk about. 6.30 p.m. There'll be a whole thing. It's catered, apparently. The economics make no sense. Carter's explained it to us off-air. They make no sense whatsoever. No, but it's cater.
Zain
1:27
You used the word loss leader in a way that I don't think you know and fully understand the definition of.
Carter
1:35
You know what? Zane, you're verging on promo.
Zain
1:37
True. I vote promo. Speaking of things, speaking of someone, let's spend the entire, my plan is to spend the entire episode on someone that could use a little promo, that could use a little bit of TLC. Okay. That person, Shannon, is one Pierre Polyev.
Zain
1:55
He has not had a good week, has he, Shannon?
Shannon
1:58
He has not. He has had a terrible week, in fact. No good, very bad time.
Zain
2:02
Carter, listen, there's process and then there's outcome. Let's talk about outcome first, and then we can talk about the shitty process week that he's had as well. The outcome is that he's lost one MP. He had another resign who I suspect they've convinced to stay, last i have heard unless you guys have heard otherwise this is matt generu yeah to stay until april so generu's sticking around until april not leaving so you know as we relate it to the majority minority math for mr mark carney that number does not play the role we thought it did when we recorded our breaking news episode on matt generu and then they've also had a really shitty process week with articles coming out around their culture their bullying culture And let's not forget Andrew Scheer also coming out and saying the reason that one Mr. Matt Gennaro left is liberal scare tactics, that the liberals finally got to him. The people who are incompetent in politics became very good at it and picked off Matt Gennaro off the conservative caucus. Carter, not a good week.
Carter
3:05
No, it's a no good, horrible, terrible week for Pierre Polyev. And it's on top of kind of a not-so-great time since the election. I mean, as we know, he lost his seat. He had to seek a new seat in the liberal stronghold of Battle River Crowfoot. Battle
Zain
3:29
Battle River Crowfoot. Liberals go battling there, and they lose. They get 5% to 6% generally.
Carter
3:35
Yeah, I mean, it was pathetic that that's where he was, where he found himself. But that's that's been his year. It's not like this is a guy who's been riding a high who all of a sudden had a bad week. This is a guy who was 20 points ahead prior to the election, who lost the election and who is continuing to have bad time.
Zain
3:56
Yeah, and I want to spend a bit of time with the two of you helping Pierre Polyev out. But I guess before we help him out, like we could help him out for this week. Like that's an episode we could do, right? How to help Pierre Polyev with the Matt Jenner to ruin Chris D'Entremont situation. That is a thing we could do. But I want to almost leave it up to the two of you in terms of how and what help you think this guy needs. I'm always kind of asking you to put your consulting hats on, your strategist hats on to say, what is the core problem with Pierre-Paul Lievre before we jump into what the solution to Pierre-Paul Lievre needs to be? So let's spend like at least a couple of minutes. And Shannon, maybe I'll start with you to give me like a problem definition. What it is this week? Is this just an inflamed version of the core problem? Is this a symptom of a larger problem than what we saw this week? How would you like to define the problem that we helped solve for one Pierre-Paul Lievre? Devin Carter, I'll give you a shake at it right after Shannon.
Shannon
4:51
So in the summer of 2024, I guess, I was looking at some federal polling. And, you know, Pierre Poliova was riding high. Justin Trudeau was generationally unpopular. And here we had, we were looking at Pierre Poliova's strengths and so on. And I saw even in that polling that
Shannon
5:14
that women were identifying him as arrogant and
Shannon
5:19
and doesn't, you know, represent people like me. And it was more, there was some softness in the numbers when
Shannon
5:27
when you looked at leadership attributes.
Shannon
5:30
And that is exactly what ended up being the problem through 2025. 25 the
Shannon
5:38
guy's a self-satisfied asshole and
Shannon
5:41
women can sniff that out from a mile away
Shannon
5:47
so they do yeah and so when you go in there i feel
Zain
5:51
feel like you know someone in the same league and category yeah
Shannon
5:54
yeah with your you know like you got your your tea prescription just a little too high i need to dial it down there pally she
Zain
6:02
tea as in testosterone okay keep going okay Okay, thank you. You
Shannon
6:05
You know, he just gives off this energy that he's too good to be told anything, that he's never going to change. And he's just the worst of the comments section come alive.
Shannon
6:20
And that is the vibe. Now, men
Shannon
6:24
men apparently can have a higher tolerance for that sort of horseshit than women do. you um but i when a an even bigger asshole came on the scene of donald trump it became very clear how brittle and how how uh well how brittle mr polly ever was and he could not uh change so that's a still his core problem when you looked at i watched chris don't from on today i gave an interview to rosemary barton live where
Shannon
6:54
where i was talking about how nobody had changed since the election that
Shannon
6:58
that the election had had surfaced all of these problems that
Shannon
7:02
that say uh that people had identified for you know about a year a year and a half but well maybe you owned it closer to two years now um had surfaced all of that and yet nothing changed nothing changed so
Shannon
7:15
so the the core of the problem for mr poliever is he is an asshole and he needs to stop being an asshole to his own Own people in the first instance. Leave aside the public for a moment and talk about his own caucus and be nicer.
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Zain
7:45
Carter, Shannon's given me a list, but at the top of the list, Shannon, is this fair to paraphrase, is women? like the women the woman problem the women problem for pierre pauliev is up front and center in terms of his electoral problem is that a fair description in part of
Shannon
8:02
of what you're saying it's women and boomers really when you look at the data but uh i mean really it's it's people who have kind of who have an expectation of politics that people don't behave themselves like absolute jerks uh
Shannon
8:14
uh and and that's his electoral problem but
Shannon
8:17
but it is also his caucus It's a caucus management problem.
Zain
8:30
And B, would that top your list of issues that Pierre Palliev faces in your mind?
Carter
8:56
Well, I totally agree with Shan, right? Pierre Palliev is an asshole, and the people who pick it up the most are women. I
Carter
9:04
I think that women have a finely tuned sense of assholery for men, and they have a, I mean, to
Carter
9:13
to be just absolutely frank, it is essential for women to be able to pick out the assholes very quickly. And very easily. And they do pick out the assholes easily and very quickly.
Zain
9:23
You mean like from a pure evolutionary perspective, to be clear? Like
Zain
9:26
Like seriously, though. Like seriously.
Carter
9:28
seriously. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you hang out with the better guys because we're better, you know, and I'm throwing you an eye in that, Zane. We're the better guys. As
Zain
9:37
As you just admitted to everyone mere moments ago that you're a self-described, self-satisfied asshole. Okay. It's true. It's true. But still better than
Carter
9:47
than Pierre Pellievre. so so what's fascinating but what what shannon has offered is she's pointed out that this is not a new problem this is a 16 18 24 months and my history with pierre poliev goes back to 2000 decades
Zain
10:02
decades long problem i know
Carter
10:03
know pierre poliev as an asshole from 2000 he's not it's 25 years this is not a new thing that he's developed but i think that if we are going to solve the pierre poliev problem we have to solve the pierre pauliev problem from 25 years ago into the next into six six to eight weeks from now when he's got his january review and then another period of time when he is uh he's he's the leader um that has to win over uh the electorate my view is let's do this in two phases let's look at a six month problem or a two month problem and then a two two-year problem, because I think that... Or potentially three
Zain
10:46
three-and-a-half-year problem, depending on when he gets...
Carter
10:50
gets... Whatever the election is. I'm going to call it two years, just because it's easy. It's right in the middle.
Carter
10:56
But it's how do I survive the immediate, and how do I survive long-term? Those
Carter
11:02
Those are the two big questions for Pierre Polyev that I think that if I was being hired to analyze and create a solution for him, I'd say, okay, here's how we're going to solve the this this short term we're
Carter
11:14
we're fucked because we're losing people and you're an asshole and nobody likes you and you call on jenny burn uh the way that a baby calls for its mommy you know that that's not the way it's supposed to happen so um let's go let's have some fun
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Zain
11:45
Shannon, do you like this frame, two-month, two-year? Is that like a reasonable frame for you in terms of timeline and what we're trying to solve, which is get him through the leadership review, and then, Carter, your two-year slash three-and-a-half-year whatever is unclear, but I guess because we don't necessarily know where he'll be, it's about making himself, to Shannon's point, palatable to that same electorate he'll need to face any time between two to three-and-a-half years from now. yeah makes sense to you shannon yes
Shannon
12:10
yes and here's why uh he's he has kind of a two problem uh between now and uh the the leadership review which is obviously keeping the party on side and keeping the caucus from bucking any more than they already have i
Shannon
12:25
i actually think that he's in better shape and i've always maintained this that like the the leadership he's okay on probably Probably because the party membership is behind him.
Shannon
12:35
You know, they like this vibe, you know, the kind of new conservative coalition.
Shannon
12:42
But the dangers on, I think, where there's dragons for Mr. Polly is actually after January. And that's where he needs to keep his caucus together even more,
Shannon
12:50
more, right? And that's where, you know, we might get Reform Act stuff or other things popping up. But there's kind of two different problems to solve, right? It's in the near term. It's the it's the get through the budget. Don't lose any more personnel between and and make sure that that that party piece is
Shannon
13:12
is is in good shape. And then after January, it's kind of managing through the and that's when there might be more more caucus that actually, especially if his numbers stay low when he's got more danger ahead. head.
Zain
13:27
So I agree with the frame too, Carter. But inherently, and I think Shannon's hit it perfectly here, inherently in the two-month strategy is a two-week strategy, which
Zain
13:36
which is if Carney gets to a majority, then the two-year strategy almost becomes irrelevant because he almost doesn't survive. It just becomes not irrelevant. Sorry. It becomes fundamentally different, I guess, to be charitable. It becomes fundamentally different with the two-year strategy if and so talk to me before we talk about two months let's start with the next two weeks and that could include cleanup from what last week looks like heading into this week as a record on sunday november 9th heading into monday the 10th and remembrance day on tuesday just so people are anchored with the timelines we're talking about carter as you talk about two months start giving me some ideas around two weeks well
Carter
14:14
well the very very first thing is to take actually a page out of uh brian mulroney's uh book of of success with your caucus that is pick up the telephone pick up the telephone you call every single member of your caucus and you have a 10 15 minute conversation with them it's going to take up the bulk of your next two weeks any free time that you thought you had you're now making telephone calls anytime that you you know we're supposed to be in a meeting or supposed to be in a house supposed to be doing something else you're actually making telephone calls you are making so many telephone calls your fingers are going to bleed but that's what you need to do is take a piece page out of brian moment brian Brian Mulroney, before we had the databases that we have now, he had a database of every single person, their wife's name, their children's ages, how old they were, what they liked, the sports that they played. And he would pick up the telephone on their anniversary and call them and wish them a happy anniversary or on the wife's birthday or on whatever. That was the rigor with which Brian Mulroney approached his caucus relationships. And because he was doing it every day, it
Carter
15:20
it was never overwhelming.
Carter
15:22
Pierre Polyev has to make it overwhelming. It has to be overwhelming today. He needs to sit down. He
Carter
15:27
He needs to go from east to west and make a full day of telephone calls every day for the next two weeks, just to make sure that everybody feels the love, not the love from Jenny Byrne, but from the love from the leader himself.
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Zain
15:55
Jen, let me get to you in a second. Carter, what's the message? Does he lay out the stakes that majority territory is a death knell for all of us sort of thing? How does he, without necessarily knowing where a lot of these folks stand,
Zain
16:09
and he probably has good insight in terms of who the three to five other potential floor crossers are. So my question is, what's the overall message? And my sub question is, what's the message to the three to five swing votes, the people that could leave? Let's assume they have the intel that the media does. And I certainly don't. Let's just assume that he has some intel the media does on who the other folks could be.
Carter
16:28
I would start off with two relatively simple messages. Number one, we can win together.
Carter
16:34
Right? We were so close to winning together. We can win together. You and I working together can can win the next election? And number two, what can I do better?
Carter
16:45
How can I better serve you?
Carter
16:46
You know, the servant leadership model of how can I serve you as a leader? And then, you know, scratch notes out, make sure that people hear you writing notes on cards so that they think that you're actually engaged. So you're not just kind of going through the motions, but you're actually saying, you
Carter
17:03
you know, I think that the two messages are, we
Carter
17:06
we can win together.
Carter
17:08
Together, we can win a part we cannot together
Carter
17:11
together we can win but i'm willing to do my part what can i do better to be a better leader both for you and for the country shannon
Shannon
17:19
those conversations are only going to be genuine though uh
Shannon
17:24
he uh front loads it with there
Shannon
17:27
there is not going to be retribution if you tell me the truth and
Shannon
17:32
and uh you need to be able to say uh what i did what what i have done in the last few months that you thought were mistakes and
Shannon
17:42
and and he needs to be very upfront and and that's why he needs to sweeten it before he even has some of those conversations with some of the crankier ones by giving them something and
Shannon
17:53
and to keep them in right uh whether it's you know i'll come to your writing i'll not come to your writing as the case may be um or when
Zain
18:03
when you look at leader poll numbers like the party outpolls the leader so like as funny as tongue-in-cheek as that shit is Because it's kind of not, depending on what circumstances folks are up against. Or
Shannon
18:12
Or I'll give you an opportunity to do more stuff regionally. You know, like it's possible that if he had elevated Chris Dontremont, for example, and let him do a little bit more of the Atlantic Canadian comms, that, you know, Chris Dontremont wouldn't have had the kinds of complaints that he had about Andrew Scheer's presence. You know, when he was acting leader in the House about the, you know, some of the RCMP stuff, like, it's possible that some of these folks that are that are cranky in the caucus are actual, like, well, moderates, whatever that means in the Conservative Party of Canada anymore. But it is people who would like a different communication style and different focus rather than, you know, talking about jailing their opponents. um and so i i think he needs to sweeten it you know carter's right that this was the this was the playbook for mulrooney it's why none of his caucus bucks when mulrooney essentially left them a party that won two seats the
Shannon
19:14
93 election right but going into that everybody knew they were headed for the iceberg and nobody jumped ship um
Shannon
19:22
um and what the big reason that is sort of lore in canadian politics uh is because he commanded the people's loyalty because he talked to them um
Shannon
19:32
um and so uh but i think probably ever needs to do a bit more than just talk to them he needs to sweeten it first because people are afraid of him uh
Shannon
19:42
uh in the caucus and if they say oh well here's what you could do better they'll probably get you know metaphorically kicked in the teeth with a demotion or like getting mean girls frozen out or or because we know that that stuff's happening in there
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19:58
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Zain
20:12
carter shen brings up a really good point i think one you've talked about historically which is we've we've seen in political history that that you know politics isn't always a selfish transactional act that there are leaders that pull low that are not destined for victory but their teammates stick with them right their teammates are like i'm loyal to you man like we'll ride or die together i get it right like uh you know i'm not i'm not leaving you high and dry uh we've seen that historically despite the rap that politics gets of being extremely transactional of people biting stabbing each other in the back and kind of jumping ship. Yes, that is a more commonly told story, but that loyalty piece is really interesting. I would challenge, though, that Pierre-Paul Lievre Carter has really promoted himself as, like, we're asking him to flex muscles that he's A, not used, but B, we do not know if he has. We know he can make the calls because he's done that historically. That's been well reported that people have talked about that. However, as it relates to being more than a transactional leader that can get through point one of your message, which is we can win together, I have a hard time kind of seeing Pierre Polyev add sweetness, both in terms of rhetoric, but also in terms of roles and responsibilities for anyone that already isn't in his very, very tight orbit. What do you, what do you kind of, I don't mean to be skeptical of what Shannon's saying, but I'm trying to right-size the advice to the guy that we have here.
Carter
21:35
No, but the guy you have here is losing, right?
Carter
21:38
right? And I think that this is one of the, one of the things that I was trying to get across to people is, you know, if you're, if,
Carter
21:45
if, if you want to continue to behave the way that you've been behaving, you can lose the way that you've been losing.
Carter
21:51
That's fine. And that's what's going to happen with Pierre Polyev. If he doesn't foundationally change things, he is going to be in trouble. And it's, and it starts, Shannon made up a really good point early on. It's circles of influence, right? We always kind of, I think of, of, of circles of influence is just kind of of like a target with the bullseye is is your close uh set of advisors peer probably does not have a problem with this close set of advisors they are loyal to him they have always been loyal to him it is the next target out this caucus that we've got a problem in the next one after that is is you know caucus staff the the the board all of those kinds of you know people who are insiders and then you get to general population or i'm sorry members of the party members of the party think he walks on water he may survive his his leadership review on nothing more than he's pierre pauliev and he's a fighter and i love fighters but
Carter
22:49
don't get to hold on to the to the reins of power by only having that particular sphere of influence and
Zain
22:56
and i agree so you gotta change
Zain
22:57
i also i also think that the two-week problem might be harder than for him than the two-month problem not to you know telegraph what we're talking about in the two months but the membership should probably like him more than perhaps the caucus does right now in some cases with the prospects of Pierre Polyev. But that all being said, Carter, I want to test another thing Shannon's put out there. If you're Pierre Polyev, what are you willing to give to
Zain
23:19
to these folks that you're talking to? Are you adding any sweeteners? And what are you willing to give away in the sense that what are you currently doing, staffers, strategies, people around you, those sort of things that you're willing to kind of say, I will dispose of this sort of thing? How do you deal with those things? Because these are also, you know, 100 plus people who feel like they should be the leader and are not coming at this completely naive to the world of politics themselves. How does he deal with those sort of inbound requests and sort of the negotiation of what change looks like in the moment within the confines of these calls?
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23:53
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Carter
24:09
for the most part, I think most of the change is going to be listen to me, right?
Carter
24:12
right? I'm hearing what's on the ground in my neighborhood. I'm hearing what's on the ground in my riding. I need you to listen to me. I'm also a very talented political operative. I need you to listen to me. You listen too much to your political circle. It's going to be one of the biggest pieces of feedback. That is the same feedback that every leader gets. You listen too much to your political circle and not enough to me. If I could be in
Zain
24:34
in your political circle. What if it gets more specific? Fire Jenny Byrne.
Carter
24:37
you know what he was supposed to fire jenny byrne after the after the last election he didn't do it you know where he'd be right now if he'd done it in a much better spot because jenny byrne knows how to only hit nails with hammers she hit nails with hammers and she's got uh andrew sheer who knows how to hit nails with hammers and she's got well i can't remember the name of the whip who knows how to
Shannon
24:58
to hit the landsman yeah
Carter
25:01
people who know how to hit nails with hammers but that's not what this situation demands this situation doesn't demand a nail being hit by a hammer so they need to rethink and rechange and change the way that things are unfolding in the caucus so they they need to say if jenny burn needs to be the one who goes if that's the sweetener that they need to to do then bye-bye jenny you're making your
Zain
25:24
your money that's why i'm trying to get you're able shannon are you offering it i'm waiting to see if it needs It's a trading ship accessible to you across these calls over the next two weeks. That's what I'm trying to understand. Is the firing of Jenny Byrne something that you would be willing to propose to Pierre Polyev? Let's say you're writing him this memo to say, in the next two weeks, this needs to be on the table, my dude.
Shannon
25:49
oh i think it has to be almost public repudiation right because she was she was not hired like it needs to be leaked out somehow that jenny has been absolutely put out on the ice flow right i i just she's she's gone um and and she and and if there needs to be one or two others like leak it out by politico or whoever right it doesn't you don't need to you know make podium art about it or uh but you do need to make it clear that there's been a break from the old ways.
Zain
26:24
You'd be open to that. What else do we need to do in the next two weeks, Carter? The phone calls, the message we got, and I do want to revisit before I jump there. Carter, what's the message to the folks that you know that are the ones that are looking to cross? You have the intel. Do you deviate from your two-point channel? I want to come same to you in a second.
Carter
26:41
No, I think that the primary message, the emphasis in that case, becomes the Conservatives are going to win the next election, right?
Carter
26:47
right? We have won the popular vote. We have been up by 20 points. Canada is ready for a change, and we will be that change, but we can only be that change together.
Zain
27:00
Yes. Shannon, what are you thinking about as it relates to message for those that are the potential floor crossers?
Shannon
27:09
Well, you know, yeah, there's going to be a change of government. You're going to find yourself in opposition again on a team that you can't trust. They don't have your best interests in mind. They're using you. And so you're better off over here with the team that you've been fighting with for the last 10 years in opposition.
Zain
27:30
Carter, anything else to add to the two-week category of tactics or strategies before we move on to now in January in Calgary for his leadership review?
Zain
27:39
No, I think that's it. it chan anything on your end um
Shannon
27:44
um i would switch up as i i think i said last week i would switch up some critic portfolios uh some house house assignments just keep people busy um and the other big thing is if if there's some if there's anything right
Shannon
27:58
right now uh that they've got in their files you know since we're jenny barker coming andy uh you know on uh on liberals if they've got any oppo anything like that anything that's going to make the team feel good you
Shannon
28:13
know if they drop a bomb or two on the liberals that would be a good time for that um because nothing focuses the mind in a caucus like who the real fucking enemy is uh
Shannon
28:24
uh and uh that can be very helpful to you know sort of galvanize the troops and uh you know bring them over the uh over the ridge altogether and you do really feel like if you can score a point or two on the government uh feels very very good uh or i mean failing that uh you know a nice big fundraiser um or you know a couple of of uh uh you know fundraising touches in some of the the more malcontented people's ridings uh or directing some party resources to make that happen even if they don't want the leader but but just kind of you know uh shoring up uh uh you know always within a caucus there's There's people who are cranky about, you know, who got the leader's time, who didn't, you know, some of these kinds of things. Just papering some of that over would be helpful. Do that right now.
Zain
29:14
And Shannon, can I start with you on the two-month strategy? The now to January? Start with a few building blocks in your mind in terms of things we need to think about, things he needs to think about. What would you be kind of leading that part of the document with?
Shannon
29:28
Well, you know, to Carter's point, I saw the abacus today that showed that 70% of CPC voters thought the sun shone out on Pierre Palliot's ass.
Shannon
29:37
So, you know, they're fine. I think your party membership is fine. I would still be a little concerned. If you know who were these three to five to however many people who were wobbly were, I would be concerned about, you know, I would be looking under the hood a little bit about how many members they have, how many delegates they're sending, some of that kind of stuff. staff uh and i would be just making sure that i had that floor uh
Shannon
30:06
uh and obviously i would you know be putting organizing resources to making sure that the floor is uh that it's not going to shake underneath you right there's no earthquakes there i think that's probably the easy part uh a the other part would be um you
Shannon
30:23
you know making sure that you don't have any more walkers uh
Shannon
30:26
uh because you might after the budget hmm
Zain
30:29
that's a good point the budget isn't the i mean it is the one in front of us but it's not the only reason and only timeline someone could walk on
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Zain
30:50
carter can you build on this uh shannon's talking about membership Membership, she's talking about the three to five wobbly folks in terms of what you need to do with them, make sure the floor crossings don't happen, understand who's trying to organize elsewhere. What else are you adding to this bucket of two-month strategy for Pierre Polyev?
Carter
31:10
Well, I think that I'd be making sure that the direct mail and the emails that are going out are going out even more so in my voice now. I
Carter
31:19
I want people to feel like I'm communicating with them. I would say to the fundraisers, let's use my voice more. Let's make sure that my voice is going out. I'd say to the people writing all the emails and the messaging, this is a leadership opportunity. Let's keep me front and center. And I would start doubling down on videos. The membership loves the videos. I don't remember the last video I saw of Pierre Pavliev really rocking it, right? Right. Let's get let's get the old Pierre up and get him out in front of a video camera again, get him doing the things that that we love them doing before. Right. The members eat that shit up. So, you know, there's lots of things wrong with the Carney government, not the least of which is that the central premise has been that he can deal with Trump and he's failing. So
Carter
32:12
get up and start throwing some haymakers. If they like the fighter, then become the fighter.
Shannon
32:19
One of the things that he did really well, obviously, up to and even during the campaign, which we know is his famous rallies. rallies um
Shannon
32:28
um i would not say a rally is a good idea uh but i would say that maybe that format in order to generate that content might be a good idea in a smaller um more tallish all type thing maybe um but have it a bit um have your
Shannon
32:47
your ability to showcase maybe a softer polyever in between the haymakers he still has to do those for the for the base there's no question but there's got ought to be ways to give him a bit of of of personal narrative or other uh delivery some other content uh that he can you know in a town hall uh atmosphere be a little bit more empathetic
Shannon
33:13
right like on costs on affordability on uh unemployment on those kinds of things be like soften those edges a little bit there you know it doesn't have to uh just be you know hang Trudeau up by his toenails at the rally like it was for two years. It wasn't ever, Jesus Christ,
Shannon
33:32
It really was. But you know, there are ways to script him with a little bit more human content. And you can put him in rooms of people, because they're really good at bringing the people out of the woodwork. And so, I would think about doing that in a sort of maybe smaller, or more town hall-y kind of thing or something like that. I mean, obviously, these things are well-controlled, but it feeds the base on one hand, but it allows you to maybe start test-driving new messages on the other.
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Zain
34:22
Carter, I'm going to walk you through a series of considerations on the two-month side of things, and I want both of you to kind of comment on them in terms of severity of risk and whether you'd plan for them or not or execute on them. Let me throw this one out. The opposing force of a opposing leader or leadership contender starts organizing heading into January. Now,
Zain
34:45
Now, all we've heard from the Conservatives is that that's not happening.
Zain
34:48
can list to you a bunch of factors that might, you know, expedite something like that.
Zain
34:54
Risk level for Polyev, concern level for you if you're helping him out. Let's put a name to it, right? The Corey Tanik Organization of Replacing Peer Polyev. Not saying that I know that that exists. In fact, the opposite. I do not know that that exists. But I'm giving a name, so a credible name who's organizing a leadership contender. Maybe that person is known, not even known in terms of what it is. But it's get Peer out because we want in within you because we do believe that the party should and will win the next election. We just don't believe Peer is the guy to do it. Heading into January, how big of a concern is that for you, Carter, from your strat planning?
Carter
35:27
Massive. I mean, we've been watching leader after leader after leader get taken out in their leadership reviews. First of all, you see, you know, the whisper campaign has enough power in it that you don't have to have the no committee or the yes committee or the whatever committee. You can have just a few people, you know, whispering that, you
Carter
35:50
you know, they're not going to support the leader in the ballot box. And all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose.
Carter
35:54
Bonnie Crombie was just the most recent one where she's completely blindsided by the lack of support in the room because everybody was saying to her, don't worry, you've got my support.
Carter
36:06
think Pierre Pelliev could find himself in a very similar situation where people tell him that they, you know, don't worry, you've got my support. and then um
Carter
36:14
um you know push comes to shove and he's shoved out the door uh
Carter
36:18
uh especially when you only need a few percentage like what
Carter
36:22
what you know 50 65 is that enough to stay anymore like i don't even know what the number is uh shannon probably knows better the number because shannon's smarter than i am but
Carter
36:30
but you know this is what is the number that to stay if you're if you're uh if you're pierre poliev and how do you make sure that that's i've asked
Zain
36:39
asked this question before let me ask it again who is best advantage of getting that number and socializing that number out right now uh
Zain
36:46
uh is it pure polyev in his side or is it any opposing forces any opposing any
Carter
36:50
any opposing force has a much better chance in in a guerrilla warfare right
Carter
36:57
right if it's a guerrilla style
Zain
36:58
style defining what the what the what the bar polyev should reach 90 absolutely
Zain
37:02
85 whatever it is i
Carter
37:03
i think that they have i think they have a really strong chance of of knocking off like let's say that he's going to get 85 you know
Carter
37:11
know with no organizational structure right 85 i think it's just yeah
Carter
37:17
it'd be great everybody would everybody would kill for 85 in today's leadership world um
Carter
37:21
um 85 would be golden um
Carter
37:27
we started 85 and you add an organizer you add someone who's organizing against you It drops down to 70, 66, 67 really fucking fast.
Carter
37:37
And I think that that's – I don't think it even needs to be someone who's organizing, organizing so much as a whisper campaign that starts around the convention, around the leadership
Carter
37:49
leadership review. And all hell breaks loose. Like this is my – like
Carter
37:54
like I don't think you need to have an organizing campaign is the answer to your question, Zane. I don't even think it needs to be that organized. High
Zain
38:00
High risk and even higher risk considering doesn't need to be formalized. Shannon, do you agree with Carter in terms of a opposing force to your leadership? Not just the naysayers who may cross, which is a different consideration I'll talk about in a second.
Zain
38:12
But how concerned would you be if you're helping Pierre Polyev out around, like, we have a new leader in mind organizing force?
Shannon
38:21
would be quite concerned for exactly the reason that I flagged earlier with the phone calls, which is that everybody's going to lie to him because they're scared of a group of people who clearly keep oppo files on their own people and
Shannon
38:36
and are ready to deploy them if they go offside, right? This is essentially what
Shannon
38:41
what we heard happened with Gennaro. And so, if they've got an oppo file on him, they've got an oppo file on all kinds of people internally. And, you know, obviously, when you vet your own people, you have some stuff, but it sounds to me like they
Shannon
38:58
they were keeping pretty good tabs and more than vetting their
Shannon
39:04
their own candidates and their own caucus members. members
Shannon
39:09
if that's the case you're not gonna you're not gonna tell them and you're not going to openly do anything you're just going to register your disapproval and there's going to start to be whispers and that's probably enough if there's enough of those members of parliament that feel that
Shannon
39:28
that maybe they might be next or that they're not being listened to or that it's a dead dead end, and they're not going to win with Mr. Poliover, because Carter's first sentence is actually the key here. If his numbers stay as shitty as they are,
Shannon
39:45
the whispering could start into January, but there's almost not enough time for it. I think it's after January when people start to get really skittish,
Shannon
39:53
skittish, because his numbers are so terrible. They could improve, but
Shannon
39:59
but even in the two months, that might not be enough time for a real movement other than whispers and
Shannon
40:06
and he might get 80 85 but even that's pretty tepid actually uh
Shannon
40:11
uh and uh but i think it's after january when the when his numbers stay shitty and uh caucus gets more restive the
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Zain
40:34
i'll jump to the to your strategy in a moment here i do want to ask you both to scenario plan one element of this for me that i think could change the game which
Zain
40:43
which is a subcategory of the two-month strategy to january but
Zain
40:47
but that two months now has mark carney having a majority government shannon how
Zain
40:53
how does well then i think he's done how
Zain
40:55
how okay interesting so give me your analysis which i'm curious about expand on what you just said but still let's help a brother out how does he change anything we put on this smorgasbord here of tactics and strategies if Carney has his majority by January which is not out of the question to be clear as we record tonight I
Shannon
41:15
think he's thought it'd be done right?
Carter
41:16
right? well it depends if it drops from the NDs or if it drops from the liberals I guess and
Zain
41:22
and the Gennaro number doesn't count until spring but there could be more to that saga who knows if that story's completely written
Shannon
41:30
I just think these guys turf their leaders.
Shannon
41:33
Like PDQ, one and you're done, right? And this is sort of a special situation if the government fell, but if it's three and a half years, you actually think that people are going to sit with a leader who's 20-some-odd points behind in his favorabilities? I mean, even if he comes up to 10 behind? I
Zain
41:51
thoughts here. I'm curious, Carter, what you think. I have thoughts, but I'll step aside. I'm curious if, Carter, we're in the subcategory of Carney's majority is now in place, even if it's a seat or two. And you might tell me that that's actually materially different if it's seat or two. But tell me what the Polyev January strategy needs to look like, if different from what you folks have put on the board, what the two of you put on the board, if Carney's got the majority. Well,
Carter
42:15
I think that it's it's functionally still a minority. Right. Because, you
Carter
42:21
you know, every backbenchers now got the power of taking down the government just by shifting their their their support. Right. So it's functionally still a minority, even if it's a majority. Do you know what I mean? Like anybody can choose
Zain
42:36
choose to change their vote. In the Polyev universe, you think, though?
Carter
42:39
Well, I think that that's more than just spin. I think that it would be really difficult for Mark Carney to govern as though he has a majority just because he's got one extra seat. I don't think it's fatal for Pierre. You don't, eh? I think it's devastating for him.
Zain
42:57
him. Okay, fair, fair. But I
Carter
42:58
I do think that the
Carter
43:01
conservatives, while they do throw away their leaders with alarming disregard for, you know, for what they, you know, they're definitely the definition of what have you done for me lately party. party um pierre pauliev has a special grip on this party and has been afforded so much just by the virtue of how much he won by you
Carter
43:21
know this is a guy who dominated and
Carter
43:24
and i think that he's still going to be a uh
Carter
43:27
uh a force because he knows the membership better than everybody else he represents the membership better
Zain
43:32
better than anybody else i'll let shannon respond to this carter anything you would would change strategically or tactically no
Zain
43:40
shannon your your thoughts on this to close us out carter thinks it's devastating not fatal anything you would change strategically or tactically even if your analysis is that you think he's done as an outcome of this leadership review does this give pauliev
Zain
43:54
pauliev more latitude to to do hail marys does it give him more latitude to try to swing for the fences anything you'd suggest he do differently if carney's in majority territory
Shannon
44:04
well because he's still like his personal uh his favorability uh is so bad compared to to carney he's 20 points or more depending on the pollster back of carney on best prime minister yes and what ends up happening uh over the course of a campaign is the party number and the leader number come uh into alignment more right and if one is way above their party it comes back down if they're way uh below their party the party comes back down because people look at the leaders right uh or sorry it goes back up like they go up if if they're like because and carney had this the leader number set the pace they
Shannon
44:47
they set the pace and so the like the leader numbers are what matters here and his leader numbers are in the toilet and
Shannon
44:55
and have been for some time and
Shannon
44:58
and he has not to my mind anyway shown any willingness to fix
Shannon
45:03
fix those leader numbers so i mean to if it's two weeks or two months or two years if he wants to hold on to his job he also needs to invest some money in focus groups and in quantitative and all the rest of it to figure her out how do i talk about myself and how do others maybe talk about me not just my wife right when they wheeled her out to make him uh look more normal during the campaign um i mean that might be part of it but but there has to be more people who think he's fine to be around you know uh and right now like there's there's like three or four people who think that he's nice nobody else wants to talk to him i and you know or much less make him prime minister so he's he's got to i i focus on that and invest in that and show canadians even if it feels like eating crow a little bit that he heard them on this
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Zain
46:21
Shannon's already getting us started on the two-year thing. I like that, Shannon. This is helpful because if I'm to summarize, Carter, in a word, the
Zain
46:28
the two-week strategy is stay. You're my caucus, stay with me, right? We can win, we can do whatever. It's whatever it takes
Zain
46:36
The two-month strategy is for the membership, but it's ultimately, you
Zain
46:41
you may argue with me on this, it's balievs you're getting more of the same he's not changing sort of thing right he's bringing back the pugilist that you know that is still popular there are tweaks that both of you have acknowledged needs to make soften the edges but it's not the two-month strategy tell me if i'm wrong is not a renew change wholesale new dude strategy it is it is a strategy of of bringing that back to the people who love it the most which is the membership who are going to be present Is it mindful of the opposition, mindful of your scenario on majority?
Carter
47:12
Yeah, it's use tactics that you were, that make- That brought you here, sort of thing. That brought you there, right? Remind them who you were.
Zain
47:20
Now, I'm going to venture a guess that the two-year strategy is different than that. Carter, can you get us started? Because I think Shannon's version of it is, but I want to give you a fair shake to maybe rebut that if yours actually does extend organically from a two-month strategy. strategy it
Carter
47:37
for me it extends dramatically differently because
Carter
47:41
because now i want you to be likable i want you to be the likable fighters right and they're over the course of history as
Zain
47:49
as we've called the the composite profile in politics yeah
Carter
47:53
i had nenshi i've i've talked about how negative his campaign was in 20 in 2010 happy warrior um he
Carter
48:00
he he was very very negative but everybody liked him he was a nice guy everybody thought he was a good guy and he He was going to be, you know, a great leader, a great mayor. And because of that, they forgave him some of the techniques and tactics that he had used.
Carter
48:17
I think that Pierre Polyev needs to be more likable. And
Carter
48:21
And he needs to, women
Carter
48:24
need to like him. They can't have alarm bells going off when they look at him. They are just far too influential. And they will shift all of the battlegrounds. against him that's one of the reasons you know that there's
Carter
48:40
there's so many examples kevin taft in in alberta uh who was just an unlikable character who couldn't play against ralph klein even in ralph klein's you know weakest
Carter
48:53
weakest days was klein yeah no it was still mac it was still mac the taft was against um and
Carter
49:00
and no four a
Shannon
49:02
a taft was later in all four okay
Carter
49:05
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Zain
49:15
likability shannon what else are you going to add to the mix carl come back to you in a sec well
Shannon
49:19
well i think that's honestly that's that's more that's exactly what it is but also i i mean it's so tough because of the trump stuff right but he's got to figure out a way to be tough on the things that people want him to be tough on today which is different than the things that he they wanted him to be tough on at this time last year uh
Shannon
49:39
uh and maybe some of the affordability and crime stuff you know is coming back up uh in terms of issue salience but But you still can't look at the guy because Trump ain't going anywhere unless, you know, it's attack of the cheeseburgers until, you
Shannon
49:59
you know, another three years. So you've got another election cycle potentially with the orange menace. And so he needs to figure out a way to be, you know, not just a happy warrior. Right. But also be be strong in the way because people ultimately think that he. You know, they might be a little bit out on how, they're not really out on how Carney and maybe the left is dealing with Trump now, but they certainly don't think that Polyamory
Shannon
50:28
Polyamory will be strong on that issue at
Shannon
50:32
all. They think he'll, in fact, be weak by genuflecting at the altar of fascism. And so, you know, he needs to figure out a way to be strong there, right, as well. uh and you know um
Shannon
50:46
his negativity is so uh
Shannon
50:49
uh it has so much venom to
Shannon
50:52
it it's so much personalized venom that you don't you feel like he's the one like and it works because everybody hated trudeau so they're just like channeling right but now uh it just feels like mad for mad sake you almost got that out of out of don't you know when he in his sort of floor crossing uh press conference He was saying, you know, it was just so negative. It was so, you know, it didn't seem constructive.
Shannon
51:18
He needs to figure out how to talk about issues in a way that doesn't sound like he's got a personal axe to grind.
Shannon
51:25
That he's going to war for you, right? With you. That he understands what's happening to you. And it's not, he's almost made the fight about him personally, right?
Shannon
51:38
right? Right. And that that can never be the case because the protagonist always has to be the voter. It can't be the politician. Let me present
Carter
51:49
present one little thesis. You do
Zain
51:52
and I've got I've got a crazy thesis to throw at your way to both of you after this. Go Carter.
Carter
51:56
Pierre Polyev was only likable when compared to Justin Trudeau. He has never been likable in any other context. context so as long as they're you know he needs to be likable against um against
Carter
52:11
against carney or he is done
Zain
52:15
have a different consideration for both of you which is both of you put likability as
SPEAKER_04
52:20
core of his strategy for the two year to three and a half year category your
Zain
52:23
your paper gets sent back and say nice try he's not willing to do it you
Zain
52:28
you have to work within those parameters carter you've had had to work within these parameters all the time shannon you've had to work within these parameters all the fucking time take
Zain
52:35
take me a step further if likability is not on the table and you can give me your analysis you could tell me if likability is not on the table this guy will never be prime minister i'll happily hear those remarks but i'm also wanting to challenge you a bit to say let's say that's not on the table because it's very likely that's not on the fucking table even with attempts they've looked weird in the past he tried them remember the fucking strange Strange smiles. Right. So let's say likability. Let's just say at some point we take it off the table because it's working so fucking poorly that we decide, okay, we need plan B.
Zain
53:09
Help me construct plan B here. I appreciate everything you're saying. I'm going to challenge it. Who wants to go?
Carter
53:15
Plan B would be to surround them with people who are likable.
Carter
53:19
Surround them. It's one thing to be a complete. You're not
Zain
53:22
up on likability at all. You don't think the prick can win.
Carter
53:24
You don't think prick can win. win prick
Carter
53:27
prick can't win but prick surrounded by like his wife seemed to be human so let's make sure that his wife is
Shannon
53:33
is more visible yeah
Carter
53:34
let's make sure that uh he's got at least a couple of advisors who uh go on on on uh power and politics and and power play and or whatever it's called and
Carter
53:46
and and make it you
Carter
53:47
you know come across as human beings as opposed to absolute assholes um bring
Carter
53:52
bring michelle rempel garden garner out of retirement and put her back up as a human kid you know as a human being representing him instead of um so
Zain
54:04
so you empower kindness and and hospitality whatever those terms are but
Carter
54:09
is a female version of him right
Carter
54:13
the most most unlikable unhuman
Carter
54:16
unhuman version of a of a of a sitting member of parliament that we've ever seen
Carter
54:24
you can't put two of them in the same room you gotta if you've got one of them then everybody else all the other cyborgs have to be put into cold storage you have to surround them with likable people period like
Shannon
54:38
like and why the fuck we've got andrew sheer doing anything like it would seem to me that Canadians have already passed judgment on him in a big way. I do not understand. I mean, I guess it's loyalty and that, you know, he's prized over political skill, right? I
Shannon
54:56
I would just add to what Carter said that, and I think those are all really good points. You might be right, Zane, that likability is not necessarily always the number one thing. I give you Stephen Harper was prime minister for nine years in this country right he's not exactly you know a guy that you wanted to go have a beer with unless you brought your excel spreadsheets with you but what the voters have to get the sense of is that and I heard who's the trans woman who's the congresswoman from Delaware she's like kind of a moderate Sarah something or other McBride she
Shannon
55:33
she was saying you know voters have two questions about you the second question is what do you think about things right the issues or whatever but the first question is do you like me do
Zain
55:43
do you like me the right
Shannon
55:46
does this politician like me do
Shannon
55:49
do they have affinity for me or
Shannon
55:51
or are they somewhere trying to elevate themselves above me or yelling at me or or talking past me or want to be smarter than me or do they like me and
Shannon
56:03
and you know and harper for all of his faults you know he inherited the financial crisis some of these things right that like people were like oh okay he's got my back he likes me right um
Shannon
56:14
and and and that might be the piece for polyamory right like think about other people for once in your life buddy um and for a hot second the existence of other people is a real thing and find common cause with them maybe channel that less so like take of like i'm nice guy i like puppies whatever um and more think about uh how do you communicate uh how you you like people you empathize with them you uh you want to be on their side you want to hang out with them you want to talk to them this
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Zain
57:01
i'm gonna propose pose a theory to you to round us out on this episode. And you tell me the holes in it, and you tell me if there's any strengths in it.
Zain
57:09
Pierre-Paul Lievre, in the long term, the two-year, is actually running back the same playbook.
Zain
57:13
Here's what I mean. He doesn't care about the external environment at all. He continues to be a prick. Let Carney get his win on Trump. Let Carney sour on himself. Be pugilist against Carney. But do one thing that you did exceptionally well that I still don't think Pierre-Paul Lievre gets enough credit for, which is see into the future. Pierre Poliev was the first person on, and we were making fun of him, you and I, Carter, when he did that lumber video on inflation. He was the first guy that brought up cost of living. And he saw into the future. It's a tough task, but if you're not likable, Pierre Poliev, you better be able to look into the fucking future. And what if that is a strategy for Pierre Poliev over the course of the next two and a half years? Generate, find, do whatever you need to, to find the next big thing to rally this country around that you are first and on the right side of because you've got really no other path with Carney because you're not a good fit. Trump, you're not a good fit. Likeability, we've seen it. You're not a good fit. Tell me if there's any value in what I've put on the table, Carter. Tell me what the holes are.
Carter
58:18
how good is your Ouija board?
Carter
58:20
Like, to me, it is just... To predict.
Carter
58:22
Yeah, it's... I mean, he did it
Zain
58:25
unbelievably impressively once, So I'm not asking him to kind of like, maybe
Zain
58:30
maybe twice is too much, but you keep going here. Lightning in a bottle, you might not give him the credit that he deserves.
Carter
58:35
It's not a strategy.
Zain
58:40
that's what he did with
Zain
58:42
think to be able to address this strategy, we have to understand what he did.
Carter
58:45
I think he threw the dice and they came up aces.
Zain
58:50
I tend to give him more credit than that. But interesting, like I'll accept it. I'm asking in good faith, Shannon. And your thoughts on this path for Pierre Poliev?
Shannon
59:00
Well, you know, it doesn't take a fucking rocket psychologist to figure out that, you know, cost of living, affordability, even at that time, right, when people were trying to book their summer vacations in 2021. I remember people, you know, just talking about how expensive it was compared to prior in 22, like compared to, you know, 21 or 20. money um so for sure there's that uh and you can see that that affordability is not going away anytime soon right uh that um you know there's been a bit of softening of interest rates and stuff but like uh you know uh housing mortgage isn't going to change the grocery store is not you know going to go down in price for christ's sakes my wages are stagnant or a lot of people's right like that's that's the calculation for people so that that part is going to get worse so sure you can predict the future on that that housing affordability uh probably
Zain
1:00:02
probably like let's just come out of left field like let immigrant i'm gonna throw i hate to throw this out as a real world example immigration let's just say he throws that out and says makes the entire thing about immigration except
Shannon
1:00:11
except the liberals have completely taken that off the table now right and so the the thing that he had was an explanation of why it's the government's fault that lumber is too expensive right when it was demonstrably not justin trudeau's fault it wasn't the fucking carbon tax it wasn't anything that came out of a federal budget that made lumber more expensive and same goes for you know trying to buy a bag of chips in the grocery store or anything else it wasn't justin trudeau's fault but he had a convenient cudgel that the liberals did not take out of his hand he was coming at them with the nail the carbon tax every day all day because he had a reason why you could blame the government right right now he doesn't have a reason to blame the government the problems are obvious and they're going to remain obvious um but he needs like and and everywhere he's reaching the government is just thank you very much and taking the nail bat out of his hand right whether it's carbon tax or Or whether it's immigration or whether it's, you know, we'll see what happens with housing or defense or any of these other things. You know, they've neutralized him on every explanation for your woes. So, finding things that will rile people up, that will make people want to get rid of the government, that's where he needs
Shannon
1:01:31
needs to look into the future on what is the government's fault. What can I plausibly blame the government for?
Shannon
1:01:39
Even though I was lying to Stace off on the carbon tax, it was still plausible because it was one thing that was new, right? I
Carter
1:01:46
To be able to do it once is a really impressive parlor trick. You're probably right. You're
Carter
1:01:52
Most of us live in the present, not in the future. This
SPEAKER_08
1:01:55
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Zain
1:02:11
Speaking of the future, Wednesday, Carter. Oh, sorry, we're not promoting it. No, we're not promoting it. It is a live show. We've been really good about it, really disciplined. No, we've been extremely disciplined. This
SPEAKER_08
1:02:18
This Wednesday, the doors to Knox United blow open and the strategy room goes live. A podcast that takes no prisoners. The Strategist, live taping Wednesday, November 12th, 7.30 p.m. Knox United Church. Tickets as low as $30 at strategistlive.show. Get in. Get loud.
Zain
1:02:34
with that, we're going to leave it there. That's a wrap on episode 1892 of The Strategist. My name is Zane Velji. With me, as always, Shannon Phillips, Stephen Carter, and we shall see you next