Transcript
Zain
0:02
This is a strategist episode 1857. My name is Zain Velji. With me as always, Stephen Carter. And oh, look who decided to show up. Oh, it's Corey Hogan.
Carter
0:12
we refer to him as the Corey Hogan now? Like, what's the deal? Like, sir? Do we have to go with sir? Oh,
Zain
0:17
Oh, sir. Have you been knighted? Is that how much the Liberal Party has access? That you've just automatically gotten knighted as part of your candidate package?
Zain
0:28
it was Sir Thomas Keeper, and now it's Sir Corey Hogan. Is that how it is?
Zain
0:33
Yeah, that's exactly right. Are they going to keep his knighthood?
Corey
0:38
Hey, as a new candidate,
Corey
0:39
is the previous candidate going to have his knighthood kept?
Corey
0:42
I'm going to have to check with the party office on that. That's my answer, by the way. Such a mania, Carter.
Corey
0:46
That's my answer to every question going forward.
Corey
0:53
sicken me. What a step down.
Zain
0:54
This actually makes sense.
Corey
0:54
sense. Zane has Mark Carney opinioned on it because if so that's my opinion this makes
Zain
0:59
makes sense Carter he's like I want to do a strategist YouTube page we're like why? less is more and he's like no no no people need to see my face they need to get climatized
Zain
1:10
I want to wear suits during this I'm like why? Carter I never put the pieces together but this motherfucker had a plan the whole time I knew
Carter
1:20
knew it the whole time I'm so good at strategy I would have bet that on April Fool's Day he was going to announce his candidacy.
Carter
1:28
That's how I would have done it. I would have bet that. By
Zain
1:30
By the way, do you want to confirm or deny that you are the candidate right now? No, I don't
Zain
1:34
to do that. Put it
Zain
1:35
unequivocal terms for the people. Because I'd say there's a good 50%. It's down the middle that don't believe you're the candidate. So, Corey, I'll give you this opportunity right now. This is Corey Hogan, Liberal Party of Canada, candidate for Calgary Confederation, telling you that he is indeed that. Go ahead, Corey.
Zain
1:52
it's been reported I'm the candidate.
Corey
1:56
to me, Carter. I feel like I'm sold.
Corey
1:58
Yeah. On April 1st.
Corey
2:01
that's pretty good. On April 1st. That's pretty good. I thought that's how you create a buzz. You know, you create a little excitement. I think that the launch, like the press release also referencing how I won an Irish stew competition. Yeah.
Corey
2:11
Yeah. Maybe people had some questions.
Zain
2:13
Carter, let's jump right into strategy mode. How would you go after Corey's late launch here? Irish stew? How would you undercut the fact that Corey Hogan is the Liberal Party candidate in Confederation? Go ahead. Yeah. As a good friend and personal advisor to Corey, can you broadcast how you would actually undermine his campaign and go?
Carter
2:31
Undermine Corey's campaign. That's
Zain
2:32
That's right. Yeah, I want you to do it.
Carter
2:33
Well, I think that the actual answer was you got to focus on the candidate, right? Like, you know, candidate strengths and weaknesses ultimately matter a lot in politics. And this is where, you know, Corey's probably pulling, what, 20, 25 points behind Mark Carney right now. So focus on focus on the fact that, you
Carter
2:52
you know, Corey Hogan is running. I mean, thanks.
Corey
2:55
thanks. Appreciate you. I
Carter
2:56
mean, Corey Hogan's unofficial slogan and it might be his actual official slogan is you could do worse. So let's
Carter
3:06
let's test that premise. You know,
Zain
3:07
is where I question Corey's candidacy, because you could do worse. Sure. But the thing is, they had worse. You had worse. Right. You had worse. And now you have Corey. Right. This is why you need the brainpower of someone like me on the campaign, Carter. We can't just be you all the time.
Carter
3:24
No, no. Let's be clear. We've asked you to be on the campaign. We've asked, I think, 17 times, will you be on the campaign? Doesn't seem like enough. And the answer has
Corey
3:35
has been- Seems a little light.
Carter
3:37
I'm pretty busy. I'm pretty busy. Well, I've got a new show. Can I launch my new show? Are we
Corey
3:42
we all just talking about- Are we just launching things today? You can go to whateverthisis.ca. It's very good, I've heard.
Corey
3:48
And I've been told
Corey
3:49
Unfortunately, I did tell you that. It is very good. Whatever this is, .ca? Whatever
Zain
3:54
Whatever this is. Not
Carter
3:54
Not a joke. Did I make it through a whole episode? No, I have not. It's three minutes an episode.
Zain
3:59
You can make it through. I
Carter
4:00
I can't. I've tried. It's a brown man yelling at you for three
Zain
4:03
three minutes, okay? I've
Carter
4:04
I've tried two times. You've worked in the Northeast. You know
Zain
4:06
know what this is like. This
Carter
4:07
This is missing two people that would have made this thing. Absolutely. I
Zain
4:12
I just really popped. You really take the quality elements of the podcast and or the ones that are not leaving the podcast, and you then isolate them. Carter, this is what I should have done years ago.
Zain
4:24
I limited my career. Yeah, Zane's basically
Zain
4:28
joke aggregator. So I guess this is a breakup episode with Carter, right, Corey? Is that where this is going? Am I out?
Zain
4:32
Is that what happened? No, no, no, you're the only one that's in. Oh, I'm the only one left.
Zain
4:37
It's not you, it's us.
Zain
4:40
One of the reasons I haven't joined is, you know, I respect you, but I do think at this point you are the flair airlines of candidates right you're you're late and excessive baggage um is is part of the issue um i appreciate that you think if i i'm prepping him carter i'm prepping your boy
Zain
4:56
for for what jeremy nixon will throw at you okay
Zain
5:01
okay yeah that's what's gonna happen just
Corey
5:04
fair hey listen one
Corey
5:07
one of the things you learn as a candidate is sometimes you don't swing at every pitch you know you just let it go you've not been schooled in the same school that carter and i went to uh
Corey
5:17
want to tell us
Zain
5:18
here because i think
Zain
5:19
there's people that that are still i think we've reduced the number i think at the end of this episode our core objective is to convince a hundred percent of listeners you are indeed the candidate now i think your statement helped but
Zain
5:32
don't think it went all the way yeah do you want to actually tell us more to this fiction uh to give us a sense of why you're the candidate yeah
Corey
5:39
yeah i mean so on friday i got a call that the candidate that did exist in calgary confederation was going to be leaving that post and that that was going to be happening pretty soon and then i was asked you
Corey
5:51
you you know can i put your stuff forward to be a candidate for calgary confederation and i you know talked to my wife about it and thought yeah
Corey
5:58
yeah i mean look let's even step back from there i think like most canadians have been pretty
Corey
6:05
pissed off about everything donald trump's been doing what's been going on in the united states the americanization of our politics all of that and in january it kind of came to a head like we've got this lunatic down south calling us the 51st state we've got these tariffs looming uh we've got trouble going on with russia like the world is just such a crazy dangerous place and it just felt like something had to give right and who knew that all we uh all we really needed was a central banker but that you know mark carney really changed the game in the conversation and so it started thinking in
Corey
6:35
probably february march like well is there other ways i can be helpful so when the call came i
Corey
6:41
i took the call you know i i thought that's interesting talk to my wife and uh and it's been kind of whirlwind since friday if i'm going to be totally honest like i uh i
Zain
6:49
i you know it's one of those things where
Corey
6:51
where it feels at times like it's moving way too fast and other times where it feels like it's moving way too slow because it's like it's like making a major purchase like it's so easy to commit and then the paperwork right all of the things you have to do in order to make it reel take days and you've got to interview with people and you've got to wait for them and they're going to go on the timeline of ottawa and ottawa doesn't really it's
Corey
7:10
it's not that they don't care but you're one of 340 some writings and they're just doing their thing and take
Corey
7:16
take some time and then on monday night get the call like yeah you are you know claimed as candidate and so
Corey
7:24
then we're off we go that's what happened cleaned up all of my files at work yesterday carter
Zain
7:28
carter jesus christ i didn't realize this is gonna be fucking sponsored content I didn't know either. Holy fuck me. It's
Carter
7:35
It's the longest I've ever talked
Zain
7:36
talked without you interrupting me.
Carter
7:39
I felt like Ottawa doesn't
Zain
7:43
Ottawa doesn't not care. That's a good campaign slogan.
Corey
7:48
What are you trying to do to me here?
Corey
7:53
you want to... Let's open-ended questions.
Zain
7:54
The more... Okay, the more we The more we tear Corey down, the greater his poll numbers will be, Carter. It is an
Carter
8:05
experiment I want to try. I think that's a great, great hypothesis. I
Zain
8:10
I think he should be coming here every week for a shit-kicking. For a shit-kicking.
Corey
8:15
That's good. That's really nice.
Zain
8:17
nice. Can we call it the humbling, which is you and I. The humbling of Corey Hogan. Yeah.
Carter
8:22
I see what Trump is doing, and I alone can stand against him.
Corey
8:26
Listen, asshole. asshole. Here's what I'm saying. It's worth
Corey
8:32
day two of a candidate
Zain
8:33
candidate and you're calling people assholes?
Corey
8:37
people will understand. No, I don't think they will.
Zain
8:39
will. I think they
Zain
8:40
I don't think they're very generous with context.
Zain
8:43
He calls all white men asshole. By the way, a constituent.
Zain
8:48
You called a constituent an asshole.
Carter
8:52
is really coming in handy that we live so close to one another now. We're all located in one federal rule writing. This
Corey
8:57
This is feeling like our entire friendship has been a mistake. Maybe I'll reverse on some of this stuff here.
Zain
9:04
He does get final cut of the end. I
Corey
9:06
I do get final cut. Yeah, like it's been my executive producer, right? It's a very Blake Lively situation. In
Corey
9:14
Hey, man. Blake catching strays. That's more complicated. Why are you defending
Zain
9:19
defending Blake Lively? There's no Blake Lively constituency within Calgary Confederation.
Carter
9:26
I'm on team Blake.
Corey
9:28
I, too, am on team
Zain
9:28
team Blake. I'm hardcore Baldoni all the way. So, appease me, Corey, as a constituent. What do you got for me?
Corey
9:35
My biggest issue with this election is Justin
Zain
9:37
Justin Baldoni. What do you got?
Zain
9:41
This was a huge mistake. You
Zain
9:44
Not for me. I'm having a great fucking time.
Corey
9:48
You know what? Sometimes you just nod and say thank you very much and move on. I just, you know. Carter,
Zain
9:54
Carter, his lack of responses is actually convincing more people that this is indeed real. Yeah,
Zain
9:58
that's right. Oh, yeah.
Zain
9:59
where are you at with this?
Zain
10:01
Oh, my God. We can take this multiple ways. Do you want to reflect on what Corey said? Do you want to discuss the future business plans of the podcast and open the books on the pod? We can do whatever, really. Oh, good. There's many directions we can take this.
Carter
10:14
I'm quite certain that he's not going to be able to accept media payments from the Strategist Media Corporation. So this goes from being a three-way split to a two-way split.
Carter
10:23
i am pretty excited to record every day
Zain
10:26
day this month every
Carter
10:27
every day you know let's let's curse the politics this fucker let's go let's let's let's monetize monetize right yeah
Carter
10:36
listen this this was uh this has been a whirlwind for all of us so you know this uh you know we weren't going to be involved in calgary confederation's campaign up until uh up until until 24 hours ago really and and now it's been you know making sure that we've got all the little things done literature signs um you know buttons t-shirts uh door knocking crew signatures yeah
Carter
11:02
all of this is coming through and the volunteer team that's rallying around this is significant we even had people this
Carter
11:08
this is gonna this is gonna shock regular listeners of the podcast we had had people from the podcast actually go and sign cory's nomination papers which uh feels like frankly you're letting the whole fucking podcast out you know who hasn't signed his nomination papers me and zane we have not signed and we will not that's
Zain
11:28
true we will not because this is not real this
Zain
11:31
is why i let people know this is this is not real and to prove it cory will say something something blasphemous right now that's
Zain
11:42
that's great carter how do you think we're doing convincing people that cory's actually indeed the candidate i
Corey
11:46
i think i mean i think you're convincing me i'm not the candidate at this point
Zain
11:51
may not be for much longer that's just what i'm saying yeah just print the new guy side just new guy for calgary confederation you had worse twice i
Carter
12:01
to the campaign today don't worry about us we'll be well behaved And here we are. Here
Carter
12:06
Here we are. Yeah,
Zain
12:07
Yeah, here we are recording. Carter, you, like myself, and Corey, you too, probably got a lot of people saying that this is not real, including media, questioning the veracity. One of the reasons is you launched on April 1st with
Zain
12:19
with the domain, which I believe is now live, april1.ca.
Corey
12:24
Well, april1.ca will bring you to— To be clear, not April 1st. We don't own April 1st. We do own april1.ca. The number one. Yeah,
Zain
12:32
if it confuses people— Don't spell it out. For Corey's campaign, you go to april1.ca, not april1.ca. And if you're confused by that, as a fallback, we also own april2
Zain
12:42
april2.ca, which will also take you somewhere.
Zain
12:47
don't go to april1.ca. Yeah,
Corey
12:49
Yeah, don't go to april1.ca. Corey,
Zain
12:50
Corey, do you want to defend purchasing the URL, the CRA is politically motivated.ca? Can we?
Zain
13:00
thoughts on the Canada Revenue Agency?
Zain
13:04
But you might have.
Corey
13:06
use a glass of water.
Zain
13:10
I've had enough. I don't know if there's anything else you want to talk about.
Carter
13:14
No, listen, this is great. This is undoing all the work I did yesterday. So thank you for that, Zane. Very grateful. I have more work to do today that is probably not going to go to naught because we're going to get Corey kicked out of the candidacy before we even get started. So, this has been
Carter
13:34
been a pretty great day for all of us.
Zain
13:38
You're feeling good, Corey?
Corey
13:42
Listen, honest to God, it's going to be a good campaign. It's going to
Carter
13:46
It's going to be a great campaign. How did the Jesperson interview go?
Corey
13:49
Oh, it's good. I took very few shots at you along the way. Not zero, but a couple. Let
Zain
13:52
Let me read you
Zain
13:53
a quote. Let me find a quote. And I'm just going to locate it here, because I wrote it down, because I thought it was excellent. Here we go. Where is the quote? You'll find it on my phone, Stephen Carter. Okay, well,
Carter
14:06
well, I'll just keep going. I'm glad you did just present. That made me happy. You
Carter
14:11
You know, because, you know, doing middling podcasts is what we're all about here at The Strategist, so... Jesus Christ,
Carter
14:18
come on. Shots fired. You're associated with
Zain
14:20
with the campaign. You can't be fucking talking like that. So, Carter, you missed the interview. I found the quote, okay? Yeah, I did not
Carter
14:25
not listen to the interview. Yeah,
Zain
14:26
Yeah, here it is. This is a quote by Stephen... I'm sorry, I'm just going to flake the two of you. This is a quote about Stephen Carter by one Corey Hogan, okay? This is the liberal candidate in Calgary Confederation, which is a real thing he's doing. Okay,
Zain
14:38
Okay, this is great. Quote, he will be around to a degree that makes sense for me and Stephen.
Zain
14:44
The question was, how much will Stephen Carter be around the campaign? And the answer was, he will be around to a degree that makes sense for me and Stephen.
Corey
14:53
That doesn't sound like a lot.
Zain
14:55
Just to be clear, I think one of the things taken away is a lot.
Carter
15:01
listen, me going and working for Corey Hogan, it's
Carter
15:05
it's not on my bucket list. It is, I think that that quote works for not just him, it's for both of us.
Corey
15:14
Optionality is two keys, right? It's a two-key system. Yeah.
Corey
15:17
It's two keys. Speaking of Carter,
Zain
15:18
Carter, Corey, how big of a, let's
Zain
15:22
let's just call it what it is, liability was Stephen Carter during your vetting process?
Corey
15:29
All right. Right. So I won't
Corey
15:31
won't go deep, deep in the weeds, but they do. So when you're becoming a candidate, they vet you, right? You've got to provide financial information. They've got to look over things like your credit history, make sure you don't have a criminal record, disclose anything like that. And then they ask you a bunch of conversations. There's an interview. My interview was about 75 minutes long. Nice fellow. Colin Lalonde was his name. And Colin is asking me a bunch of questions.
Corey
15:55
And I would say the bulk is about my punditry, Right. That's that's where I think insofar as anybody is going to have concerns about my vetting. It's what have you said in the past? And Colin says to me, you know, I haven't listened to the strategist. It's pretty clear that he thinks it's three guys in a basement talking to an audience of their parents. uh because you know that's how it is but he says but i listened to the first five minutes of your most recent episode and uh your co-host steven carter uh he called all of the voters stupid and i kind of chuckled and said yeah it sounds like steven you know that that definitely tracks i'll bet you he did say something like that which is you know not
Corey
16:35
not really i think uh what steven believes in his soul but maybe he has extreme manifestations
Carter
16:41
manifestations no i was i was at an advanced poll yesterday here in vancouver and i can assure you
Zain
16:49
hey colin colin you're definitely listening to this episode nice to meet you i
Zain
16:55
i am zane i'm also on the show i heard i heard my name didn't come up in the vetting and i want you to know i've got a new show at whatever this is dot c hey colin oh my god it'll invalidate me for candidacy for any political party but i want you to know you're welcome and thank you for subscribing do you think I think he's going to subscribe to the Patreon. He probably should. He should. He
Corey
17:14
He probably should. It's only $6
Carter
17:14
$6 a month. Is this going to be a Patreon or is this going to be a Gen Pop? No,
Corey
17:17
No, I think this is Gen Pop. I think this
Carter
17:18
this is good. I like I can talk directly
Corey
17:20
directly to your campaign vetter through this podcast. It actually makes me happy.
Corey
17:24
You're the one who named him.
Corey
17:26
He's a nice guy. I like talking to him. He was a good guy. Good. We got a new listener.
Corey
17:30
I mean, I doubt it. I doubt it. Yeah.
Carter
17:33
don't think this is going to be something that- Based on the
Corey
17:34
the five minutes. Because he didn't say, I listened to five minutes and I was just really excited to listen listen to the rest on my way home, or anything like that. He said he listened to five minutes, and that was the end of the commentary. See,
Zain
17:44
See, Colin, for most people who listen to the show, it does become their home.
Zain
17:47
It is their home. Oh, that's nice. That's really nice.
Zain
17:49
nice. Right? Trust me. Did you tell him about the discord,
Zain
17:57
Okay, Corey, let's put you out of your misery here. Great phrasing. Keep going. Yeah, for sure.
Zain
18:04
Do you have anything sincere to say to the people listening? Because this is is the indeed the uh sponsored content portion of the show we actually starting a new segment called sponsored content for candidates uh which is anytime we have one of the three of us running for public office we give you the the airwaves of the strategist podcast uh for a full 90 seconds to make a plea and carter this applies to you too if you
Corey
18:27
ever run for public
Zain
18:27
public office we will give you this portion at the end of this show it's just kind of like the public service that we're that we're able to do yeah yeah
Carter
18:34
yeah no every everybody thinks i'm gonna run for public office yeah
Zain
18:36
yeah Yeah, I think so. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, you'd
Corey
18:38
you'd do really well. Corey,
Corey
18:41
Ah, yeah. Look, I think that this is an important time for the country. It's not one person holding up the weight of the world. It's the fact that a lot of us need to make sacrifices and try to do what's right for all of us. And so I'd encourage anybody who thinks strongly about this election like I do to come on out and volunteer, vote, donate, tell your friends, get involved in any other way you can in your community. Put together groups of people. if you're in confederation i'll probably come talk to them and you can get a hold of us all by going to um april1
Zain
19:14
and just i know there's going to be some people
Carter
19:16
people put a bed of music underneath that like that would be fantastic yeah no
Zain
19:20
no and i hate to kind of be like the footnotes to what that but once again april1
Zain
19:23
april1.ca is the site we own
Corey
19:25
own april 1st we do not own we couldn't get it we also don't own april the word one spelled out it's just april the number one so don't yeah oh that's actually true yeah
Zain
19:35
don't mess that up ca um
Carter
19:37
and for those who are vetting uh cory we do not own cra is uh politically motivated.ca that's
Zain
19:45
that was that another strategist jump ball that we're gonna release to the masses no
Corey
19:48
no it's uh it's um it's not a jump ball let's not do that let's not do the jump ball let's
Corey
19:54
let's not do it you
Zain
19:56
want to end the podcast with let's not do it is that the energy you want to bring to it yeah can i
Corey
20:01
okay let's do that again okay
Zain
20:04
okay let's do it again i'm not giving you another 90 seconds i'm giving you another 30 this is we're not fucking charity here okay yeah i'm not registered with the cra as a charity which could be politically motivated
Corey
20:21
let's try that again yeah
Carter
20:22
yeah okay go ahead yeah let's
Corey
20:24
let's do it let's fucking do it let's get Get out there and let's make Calgary Confederation a liberal city.
Zain
20:29
That's a wrap on episode 1857 of The Strategist. My name is Zane Velge. With me, as always, Stephen Carter and your newly minted liberal candidate for Calgary Confederation, Corey
Zain
20:37
Corey Hogan. And we shall indeed see you next
Corey
20:47
Look, I think that this is an important time for the country. It's not one person holding up the weight of the world. It's the fact that a lot of us need to make sacrifices and try to do what's right for all of us and so I'd encourage anybody who thinks strongly about this election like I do to come on out volunteer vote Donate tell your friends get involved in any other way you can in your community put together groups of people if you're in Confederation I'll probably come talk to them and
Corey
21:14
and you can get a hold of us all by going to
Corey
21:17
April one dot CA