Episode 1091. The Young & The Restless; The Old and The Rich; FIXED. MAYBE.

Welcome to The Strategist, episode 1091. I'm your host, Annalise Klingbeil, and with you, as always, Stephen Carter and Zain Velji.

We got to record in

in the mornings, man. How

How is it real?

Well, I feel fresh. I don't know about you. That was fantastic.

record at night. It's like early

early Friday morning. this

is like friday morning energy and and doesn't it feel good that there's no one to lecture us about um really anything carter this feels like no

no i'm i'm anticipating uh i'm anticipating a phone call at some point this afternoon though about my inability to set up the patreon properly so mom

mom is out of town and i like it yeah

last time carter you

you were like one Were you like one step away from doing everything properly?

Well, it's that one last step that seems to be driving Corey the absolutely most crazy. One last step of

that that last step is going to get messed up today, but

but it might. And

And if it does, I'm

I'm going to be pretty happy.

You're going to try your best.

He's been leaving up my bad post as punishment. And I'm like, I don't think that's punishment, but whatever. whatever you know okay yeah

yeah i don't think after all these years i don't think he understands your just your basic psychology of motivation

i don't think he understands it

it at all he is you

you know he tries to treat me like one of his children i'm like i am ancient i don't need this

but we're both in smoky spots me and cory me and cory are in smoky areas yeah you're

you're pretty great and you

you you're grumpy about it it's smoky in calgary too it's smoky everywhere right now well

well heather was like maybe we should go home early i'm like why and then we just you know in smoke in calgary like how is this better you

you know it just is going to be what it's going to be

whole of canada is covered in smoke it's brutal yeah

sorry it's our reality now just smoky summers oh

oh great well that's good news fantastic

fantastic great reality thanks annalise do

you know what's really depressing my toddler one of his first words was smoky because he loves going outside and at the beginning of the summer he'd be like outside side outside and we were like no you can't go outside

outside it's smoky that's where the mistake you started

gotta keep them inside you gotta keep them inside at least i think that's where the mistake i

i just want to chime in here that's

that's where it started this is an own goal okay if you're a noted indoorsman like myself things

in a basement there

there are no windows you know what

next year i already bought the little holder that puts the toddler in the front of the mountain bike and i am taking zane's kids sufjana and i are going mountain biking next year i'm pretty excited about it i

i haven't told zane don't

don't let him do that it's not safe

all and yeah this

what you mean what i thought you'd be on my side no

no not not for mountain biking i

i i have my windows carter i'm

in less than two weeks i'm very excited

excited i know countdown is on um

um we've got lots to talk about a lot has happened this august week of the summer and uh let's let's dive into it let's start with trump um late monday in georgia trump was indicted again his fourth one since march uh i don't need to get into all the background we could kind of get into it i want to just start with like what stands out to you this time um

um what is different this time what are you paying attention to let's uh carter i know you've got some thoughts let's jump in well

well i think that there's a couple of things uh the first thing that's standing out to me is that in Georgia, the governor cannot pardon. That is something that can't be done in terms of they can't preemptively pardon Trump or the co-conspirators. That's excellent. The second thing is that the president can't pardon. This is not a federal crime. It can't be pardoned by the president. So Trump himself couldn't pardon him. And the case that maybe Biden should, for the good of the nature nation pardon uh pardon trump in some level and although i've heard a lot of that argument this now but i think it is an argument that should be made every once in a while um

um that can't be made either this he's on his own it is up to now the da and the the jury in in georgia to determine whether or not he's guilty or not and

and it looks like the da is going to be following through on this that's fantastic i think that's that's outstanding um so that's the the first thing that jumps out at me the second thing and uh maybe we'll get into this a little bit more in depth is the polling seems to be changing with these with the georgia uh charges as well and uh i think that that you know we

we mentioned number of time i've predicted a number of times that at some point the just the sheer volume of uh charges would result in trump dropping his poll numbers dropping because that's what tends to happen in other in other democracies uh when a leader it's not the first charges people rally around the first charges second charges but at some point there's just too many charges to ignore and um people start walking away from the leader uh almost like they're walking away from pigpen not not the leader themselves and i think we're starting to see that so that's that's what's exciting to me trump is now pigpen okay

good summary maybe zane what what jumps out to you before we kind of dive uh i

i don't know what the fuck pig pen is what is pig pen well what are you talking about pig pen who is pig pen okay we'll start with who is pig pen then snoopy

carter pen is the character that always carries around dirt with him okay

okay this is helpful um

um it sticks out that

that carter is living in the 50s so let's start there this

this was big in the 80s my my friend huge

huge yeah it had his third wave a long time ago i'm glad carter i'm glad that something popularized in the 50s had its third way yeah they're understood don't record this

this and she was like yeah he does people in the discord they

they can fuck themselves i don't care about the timeline carter's wrong that's all i care about uh what sticks out to me um let me add i think carter's right these are state charges not federal charges that's very interesting the the clemency or the the pardoning laws fascinating right so this is not one that should he become president to be totally clear he cannot pardon himself on um

um should these go ahead well actually even before that rico charges like these were a 1970s federal statute to ultimately go after the fucking mafia and that is what they're charging him under him and 18 co-conspirators holy fuck with the an extremely, I shouldn't say vicious, I was about to say vicious, I'd say thoughtful, talented, and deliberate use of these laws. If you hear the charges, and if you read the indictment coming out of the state of Georgia, the selection of this particular instrument, this RICO instrument, fascinating in terms of their justification of it. And I can't say airtight because nothing is is airtight, but the closest thing I as a layman and not having understanding of US law thought was airtight. That's what's interesting to me as point number one. Point number two, there are going to be assets in this trial, and it's going to be quick. What do I mean by assets? Fuck, we're going to see a mugshot. If Trump is arraigned by the end of this month, which is what the folks in Georgia are requesting i believe it's a end of august arraignment for a trial set no later than march or april um we're gonna see a fucking mugshot and then if all things go to plan trials in georgia are televised yeah so like this is now going to be like a reality show we're talking about talk about something circular where trump right is is is sitting there and kind of like his his show back in the day, curing his fate day to day, performing these tasks, at least having his lawyers talk about how he performed these tasks. The whole fucking thing is nuts. So Carter's right on the legal front, the lack of pardoning, but then the fact that there's a comms marketing political strategy element with assets entering place, and then this concept of the RICO laws, which were used for the mafia developed in the 70s so that the folks at the top of a ring could actually face accountability, even if it was just their foot soldiers carrying out the tasks, which is like a very simplified way of describing it. That is what's being used to charge Trump. I mean, this is, I shouldn't say it's novel, but it is different than the first three indictments that we have seen. And I would argue, and this is my layman sort of thought about it, this one might might be the most piercing and this maybe goes to carter's conversation about the polling numbers too yeah

yeah before we jump into the polling let's talk about those the the asset because i think we talk a lot on this podcast about the storytelling and the story around this and it's complicated right like there there's a lot of layers and it's complicated but carter what does having that potential mugshot having cameras in the courtroom how

how does that change um the the the story and the brand and and the the marketing around this well

well i mean we've talked a lot actually about how um you know the muller report was preempted by by bar who put out the you know the three-page memo that basically summarized there's nothing in the muller report and it's so much easier to read the three-page memo well there's

there's not going to be a three-page memo because it's going to be on everybody's fucking television screens like this is preempting days of our lives like there is no days of our lives during this trial there

there is no you know the the daytime programming is all gone and everybody instead is going to be watching this uh this is the modern day oj simpson trial now oj

oj simpson zane was a football running back and