Transcript
Annalise
0:02
Welcome to The Strategist, episode 1059. I'm your host, Annalise Klingbeil. With you, as always, Stephen Carter and Corey Hogan.
Carter
0:13
I tried to distract you, but
Carter
0:14
but you were just locked in. You noticed I did not
Annalise
0:16
not look at you.
Corey
0:18
Yeah, it's good. It's nice. Yeah, it's getting better.
Carter
0:21
Guys, before we go any further, before
Carter
0:23
before we take one more step, I have to tell you something.
Carter
0:27
Do we care? I went nine for nine in AFL predictions this week.
Annalise
0:31
Nine for nine. We
Annalise
0:33
don't care. The answer is we don't care.
Carter
0:35
The Brisbane Lions were the clincher, and I nailed it. It was the first game of the weekend. Boom! Nine
Carter
0:42
Nine for nine! How long
Annalise
0:44
long does the season last for again? You told me once, but I've blocked it out. It's like 23
Carter
0:49
wow. And then it goes to the playoffs.
Corey
0:52
Hey, Stephen. Yeah. Hey, Stephen. Yeah, Corey. 23 weeks? That's about the length of wildfire season. Our province is on fire. How
Carter
1:00
I'm not going to lie to you. I did not bet on that. That was not something I had bet
Corey
1:05
You're 0 for 1 in wildfire. As you should know
Annalise
1:09
Guys, I hope you had good weekends. Do you know what I got this weekend? Some good feedback on our last episode, on the Bob episode. Really?
Carter
1:18
What does good feedback sound like? Because I'm not sure I've heard it. it
Annalise
1:22
sounds like hey i laughed a lot it was funny i learned something i
Annalise
1:29
i don't know oh that's nice yeah i heard there was lots of laughs was
Carter
1:32
was that the one that was behind the paywall so there's people having that is
Corey
1:35
is behind the paywall so this is actually a great promo gonna allow it yeah yeah
Annalise
1:40
yeah people should sign up for patreon so they become patri patrons patreoners
Annalise
1:49
and they can also join donors they can also join discord which i haven't been on all weekends but i assume i assume it's been hopping stephen carter cory took that terrible positions that
Carter
1:58
that i had to clarify you're
Corey
2:00
you're talking about the picture of the horse yeah whether it was wearing pants or okay
Carter
2:05
because you like a position basically inferred that horse's legs are the same as people's arms and that is a terrible position terrible
Corey
2:14
uh you know if you understood anything about the theory of evolution you'd be on board with me okay
Annalise
2:19
okay so people can go to discord and uh see see fights like this in real time with pictures and they can learn about the election they can talk about the election forget twitter get on the strategist discourse yeah
Annalise
2:32
yeah that's true i'm
Annalise
2:33
i'm not sure how much
Carter
2:33
they're learning i mean i
Corey
2:36
assume that the cbc is gonna get onto the strategist discord right away to fill that hole in their hearts from the uh the twitter or abandonment they've done.
Annalise
2:44
Yeah. Hey, Corey, have you noticed they have not come back yet?
Corey
2:49
Yet. Yet, being the operator. When
Annalise
2:50
When does our bet end?
Corey
2:53
Listen, they're the public broadcaster. It's going to take them a while. Even if they decided they were going to go back like three weeks ago, it's going to be another three before
Annalise
3:00
before they actually No, but they left quickly. We should have put a time limit on our bet. We should have. Yeah, you failed on that one. I made a big mistake there. See,
Carter
3:06
See, my bet on
Carter
3:07
AFL was just this weekend. So it was very easy to understand the outcome.
Annalise
3:12
outcome. Okay, we're going to move into our first segment because you're talking about AFL again.
Corey
3:16
Yeah, yet again. Moving
Annalise
3:17
Moving on. Our first segment is called One Week Down. Guys, it's been a week. A week has passed since Rit Drop Eve. It's only been a week?
Annalise
3:26
It has been seven days.
Corey
3:28
That's Rit time, baby.
Annalise
3:30
baby. We're a week into the Alberta Provincial Election Campaign.
Annalise
3:34
I want to get into how the last seven days have gone. But before we do that, I want to just talk bigger picture here. You guys have both been on several campaigns. tell me a weekend what
Annalise
3:44
what are you focused on what uh what are you thinking about what are you doing seven days in knowing that you've got 21 more days to go steven carter well
Carter
3:53
well i'm doing an analysis i'm doing an analysis of where we are versus where i expected us to be so there are two major two major things that you need to evaluate the first is where you are on the air war are you getting the media coverage that you require are you getting the uh the ad placement how are people responding to those what are the polls saying there's you know the media war or the the air war is probably the most um i
Carter
4:19
don't know maybe the easiest to measure but at the same time the hardest to measure because carter
Annalise
4:24
carter do you measure it by cutting out clippings and putting them on a wall no
Carter
4:28
no we don't have time for arts and crafts in my successful campaign but
Annalise
4:35
thanks for that that's a reference that's a reference to our last episode for those
Corey
4:38
those That's a paid walled reference. Yeah.
Carter
4:43
so you measure the ground game. Most, mostly you're probably measuring that in polling and things like that. Then you have to measure your ground game efficacy. And that's much harder to understand because you've got all these people running around and you're in this particular case, you're divided into 87 little campaigns and 87 little campaigns are each going to have different personalities that are going to be dictating how those campaigns are actually performing sometimes those personalities will be dictated by you're in the middle of you know but fuck alberta and you're never going to win a seat or you're absolutely going to win the seat so you don't work very hard uh or you're in the middle of downtown calgary and everything is really challenging um you know you're you're you're working super hard you're everybody's exhausted um you know different different situations different outcomes. So I'd be wanting to measure those and trying to get some sense of where we're actually at. Because the other thing that's going to happen is that people are going to lie to you. The data that you're going to get, you're not even going to believe it yourself. It's so hard to understand where you are in the middle of the campaign. So I like to preset my objective measures for what we're going to see. And then I measure against those objective measures to see whether or not we've actually attained them.
Annalise
5:59
Corey, do you agree? Is your strategy similar same difference yeah
Corey
6:03
yeah i i'd like to add maybe a little bit of texture and maybe different emphasis to where steven did but for me the things that i'm looking at are like you've got your opening move right and you're seeing how people react to that opening move you're seeing the reactions from the media from the public from the other party and you're determining whether things are unfolding as you wanted for sure but you're also looking at yourself and you're trying trying to understand um look
Corey
6:29
look campaigns are spinning up all over the province for the ndp for the ucp and both the ucp and ndp central campaign teams will be looking at them and saying
Corey
6:39
is this going as we expect and not in the sense of like are these people spinning up their campaigns the way we expect them to are they getting volunteers are they getting ids on the doors are these things moving because i'll tell you something with 87 campaigns even if we say only Only 40
Corey
6:52
40 of them for each party are serious campaigns that you care about.
Corey
6:56
You're going to have a lot that misfire. And so there's a certain, okay, I've got to get in there. I've got to fix problems where there are problems. Maybe I've got a candidate who's really not what I was expecting at the doors. And there's a bit of corrective that needs to happen there. Maybe I've got a campaign team that does not actually seem to be doing anything, or maybe they're just not putting the data in.
Corey
7:15
I guess what I'm saying is the first week is a bit of a shakedown period for ground campaign. And it
Corey
7:20
it is also a
Corey
7:21
a period for the air
Corey
7:22
air war to say, is
Corey
7:23
is this landing? Like you're getting your first post first announcement polls coming in the next day or two here, I would imagine in terms of your internals. And so if you're the UCP, is your tax pledge landing? If
Corey
7:35
If you're the NDP, are your announcements on healthcare primarily, so far, and you know, your overall campaign commitments, the four or five, I think they laid out, are they landing? And are they resonating? Are they sticking? That's the kind of thing you're looking at at this point. And in some ways, it's kind of like reverse
Corey
7:56
reverse Christmas because you're sitting there with dread waiting to see if all of the things that you've been working to build up for so long are going to hit or miss. And, you know, maybe just to jump in, if you're the UCP, you did your big arena thing, you did your big tax thing. This is supposed to deliver you Calgary. I'm sure they're sweating what the polls look like in the next couple of days. I'm sure the NDP are too. Before
Annalise
8:19
Before we get into that, thanks, Corey. You always bring texture. He brings good metaphors, Carter. Reverse
Annalise
8:25
Christmas. A week ago, we were talking about New Year's. That was some quality comments that he had there.
Carter
8:30
I'm confused by reverse Christmas. Why? Well, it feels like Christmas for me always because it's so damn disappointing.
Annalise
8:42
I see. No, okay. On that note, before we get into how the UCP and NDP are doing, what
Annalise
8:47
what are both of your favorite times in that 28 day period like is a weekend nice because you're you're weak down but you still have the hope of three more weeks ahead or is the best day like the 27th day like what cory what what's your favorite day in a campaign my
Corey
9:02
my favorite day is the 28th day the minute the polls are closed because then i have first of all the 28th day in general because when you work central campaign and steven can attest and we can actually say
Corey
9:14
specifically in 2012 like we're both sitting around our central campaign offices texting each other yeah
Corey
9:19
because it's over and we're just like what are you doing what do you think it's going to happen how's it going right and um and so that's a nice day for central campaign because it's now over to the eda operations that are out like your campaign ended basically the morning of the 28th day you know maybe there's a little photo op of your candidate going and voting and they're home riding or some crap like that but the day the i mean the moment the the polls are closed is is like i don't even care like that's the moment of maximum release i just get so loose and like don't care nothing i can do can break this at this point i've gotten it exactly where it needs to be that for me is my favorite moment of the campaign even a campaign that i lose the minute the polls closes my favorite moment carter
Carter
10:03
carter what about yours yeah
Carter
10:04
yeah i'm i'm i mean like Like, I went and saw Pearl Harbor, you know, the Ben Affleck film one year on election day. Because if you're not running GOTV, you have nothing to
Corey
10:16
to do. Like, central campaign doesn't have a lot to do. I deliver, you know, go
Carter
10:21
go and deliver sandwiches to, you know, scrutineers. Like, you're done. So you become this kind of, you know, transactional, regular level employee of the campaign. anyways i mean your question is what's your favorite day um you
Carter
10:39
you know i it's
Carter
10:41
it's hard not to pick election day um but honestly like when you win and this again something cory's less familiar with but when you when you win that metaphor
Annalise
10:50
metaphor is bad at winning yeah
Carter
10:56
i'm sorry cory it's so cheap it's so cheap that i keep taking that one it's cheap i feel bad bad um but the the truth is like it's the day after like
Carter
11:06
like the day after when you've won like fuck i mean the day of it's just like well that's like cory didn't yeah it's filled with
Annalise
11:13
with now you're just rubbing it in
Corey
11:14
in his face i no i didn't pick the day after because the day after is outside of the campaign i
Annalise
11:20
i did say all the 28 days there's no rules there's no
Corey
11:24
no rules she gave rules she
Corey
11:26
rules right at the start yeah yeah it's
Corey
11:29
you know what my number two is though Can I give you a number two?
Annalise
11:31
two? I was going to ask number two. Yeah, give me a number two. Debate
Corey
11:34
Debate night. Debate night is number two. Oh, I hate debate night. That is it. Debate
Carter
11:37
Debate night is... Love
Corey
11:38
Love debate night. Oh,
Carter
11:41
debate night and election night are just a bunch of trips from me to the bathroom. Like that's basically all
Carter
11:47
it is. But no, I mean, debate night's terrible because you've prepped them. You've given them all the words and they're never going to say them. you just sit there and watch the opportunities go past and every time i watch the opportunity go past it it hurts with physical pain oh
Corey
12:08
but you know why i like it i agree with everything you've said and i'm sure i wore like a hole in the carpet of that tv studio when i was in the green room in like the last time i was in there just pacing like a mad i so listeners who don't know me personally like i pace a lot at the best of times at the worst i
Annalise
12:25
i learned that the first First time I met you in person at our live show, Corey, you were pacing.
Annalise
12:30
Stephen, Stephen Carter was writing his PowerPoint and you were pacing.
Annalise
12:36
That's what was happening behind the scenes.
Corey
12:38
That's what I've always done. And, and yeah, when, when it's like, you know, during the debate, I'm just, I'm going nuts. I'm going out of my skin waiting for my candidate to say the things they won't say to Stephen's point. But it's also, it's the moment of second most relief when you get through the debate, if they have not absolutely utterly blown it. right and
Corey
12:57
for me i guess my favorite campaign moments are when you're out of the woods is you know it is generally what i look for i
Carter
13:03
i hated campaign nights well our debate nights debate nights just the worst steven shapiro and i were doing the uh allison redford debate when her mother had passed and uh we you know we're sitting in the the green room on our own we're somehow wind up in the in the room with all the windows where everybody can literally see us shitting ourselves i don't
Carter
13:23
don't i don't know that we actually turned the debate on i'm not sure that we were actually capable of watching that debate because there was so much at stake and it was so unusual to be putting a candidate who just lost their their their mother uh through that like it was just oh
Carter
13:40
oh it was a tough day tough
Annalise
13:45
that sounds rough a side note on On what Corey was saying about the candidate photo, in 2015,
Annalise
13:50
2015, I went to go vote in Crescent Heights. Corey, you would be familiar, but the good side of Crescent Heights, not
Annalise
13:58
not your side. No, not
Annalise
14:01
Guess what? I went to vote in the morning because I was the journalist at the time. I was working election night. Yeah, Jim Prentiss lived
Annalise
14:07
Crescent Road. Yeah, and guess who was there right when I went? And guess whose dog was in the pictures behind Jim Prentiss as he walked in? My dog. what are
Annalise
14:15
are you doing taking your
Carter
14:16
your dog to vote dogs can't vote you
Annalise
14:18
you needed a walk that's
Annalise
14:20
that's what you're doing crossing heights
Annalise
14:22
anyways um okay back back to what carter was saying about kind of
Annalise
14:27
what you're doing a weekend is like where are we where do we want to be let's put your your hats on carter let's say you're looking at the ndp campaign right now um
Annalise
14:37
are are they where they need to be right now i
Carter
14:40
i think the ndp campaign is where they want to be I think that they're pushing out their messaging, their messaging's landing, and they're up against a campaign that is confused and doesn't seem to know what it wants to do. This reminds me an awful lot of the Jeff Davidson campaign that
Carter
14:57
we were up against in the Gondek campaign. What was that, 21? So we
Carter
15:03
kept trying to figure out why
Carter
15:05
why Jeff Davidson's campaign was behaving so irrationally. and it it aged me like actually i'm 23 years old um but it's just it aged me so dramatically because the you know
Carter
15:20
know trying to figure out what your opponent opponent is doing when they're not acting rationally is exhausting and i suspect that that's what the ndp are going through right now you
Carter
15:32
why did no one unearth all of these videos of danielle smith and i'm sure we will get to some of these things um later in the podcast but why did no one unearth these videos when um when they were running against her for leader of the ucp because they probably would have hurt her they happened before you know before so making sure that you know like now how who's putting these out why are they coming out now you know are they helping are they hurting you know all All these things would be very, very painful to go through.
Annalise
16:05
Corey, same question to you, but I guess for UCP or for NDP as well. Where do you think, are they where they need to be? Is this going as expected?
Corey
16:15
Yeah. Stephen, could I ask you a question? Of course. You can play
Carter
16:19
play a percent to host, you know, whatever.
Corey
16:21
What do you think was the most important NDP announcement this week?
Carter
16:25
The most important? I don't care about policy announcements.
Corey
16:29
here's almost the point that I want to make.
Corey
16:32
Earlier, when we were talking about this week, and the things and the policies and how they landed, and I said, like, and the NDP, and they had a few things, I kind of struggled to get to them. And as I've sat here, I've thought about like, oh, yeah, there's like the mining, the coal mining, I think I saw something about educational assistance and whatnot. And I don't know, I'm pretty keyed in. I guess what I would say is, the first week was really all about Danielle Smith, for good and for bad, right? For good and for bad. i can't really tell you too much about the ndp specifics i think there's some danger there though right because i can actually think of the the one policy that broke through for me this week was the ucp tax reduction and i wonder how many other albertans that might be the case for because that that is actually it feels kind of substantive and somewhat meaningful there that
Corey
17:20
that said danielle smith has had such a disaster on some other fronts this week it's hard to give her the week right and in fact maybe the ndp strategy is in part letting you know it's like hockey this you know the the the line change after the line change right so you know who you're up against here might make sense to wait for the second week to do a lot of your big things if you are the the ndp or third week even but i will say this
Corey
17:47
this campaign for the ndp and for the ucp right now is going to live or die on danielle smith based on the first week if the next three weeks are like the first week it is all about daniel smith and that might not be a bad thing for the ndp
Corey
18:02
at the end of the day it might be a great thing for the ndp but it doesn't really feel like it's entirely in their control and so it feels a little risky a little uncontrolled if you're the ndp because the one thing i will say is well daniel smith had a bad week she
Corey
18:18
she i mean she was running the narrative right now that's that's for stamp sure that's absolutely yeah but
Carter
18:23
but that's that's campaigning right like sometimes you own the week and you do really badly and sometimes you own the week and you do really well but this to me they're they're they're
Carter
18:34
they're doing just fine because they they don't need to own the week and carry with policy i mean i i don't believe the policy impacts elections very much at all anyways i think that it's direction personality story and i think the The story of the week is Danielle Smith hiding and then coming out of hiding to deal with the fires. And again, I
Corey
18:58
I don't want to be misunderstood. Yeah,
Corey
19:00
I don't want to be misunderstood. I think it was a worse week for Danielle Smith than it was for Rachel Notley. But it's hard not to observe that we're all still orbiting Danielle Smith, like this is still her universe. And there's some risk in that for sure. So who do
Annalise
19:13
do you think was the winner of the first week?
Corey
19:16
Yeah, I mean, for me, it's less who was the winner. and who was the loser? I think Danielle Smith. Well, look, the wildfire stuff that's really ramped up this weekend has
Corey
19:27
has the possibility to retroactively give the week to Danielle Smith in
Corey
19:31
in a funny way. It's always a weird thing talking about these disasters where tens of thousands of our fellow Albertans are in really dire straits and dealing with something really terrible. But these are big moments that allow people to stand up and show what they're made of if they're the premier and so this is a this is a chance for danielle smith to show that she can be a premier right and it did happen in the first week but when you look at the first five days of that week yeah
Corey
19:57
yeah i mean it's it would be very tough to give it to danielle smith on points you know you had the palowski uh
Corey
20:04
um verdict which stomped on her announcement which also resulted in her hiding for a couple of days and then there was a ucp war room announcement that that they had to, the
Corey
20:15
the group that they commissioned to do the numbers, they, you know, told them, no, that's not the numbers. And then they walked it back and then they're like, maybe it was a different report. And the whole thing was a mess. And this hit on the NDP went horribly awry for the UCP. And ultimately, you
Corey
20:30
you know, there wasn't a lot of good that came out of the week for the UCP. So you've got to kind of say that, you know, the first five days were a failure for them. But But I
Corey
20:40
I think to give the final verdict, we need to see what happens in the next couple of days with wildfires.
Annalise
20:46
Carter, winners, losers this week?
Carter
20:48
The NDP won, the UCP lost. And not only that, I think that the UCP ground game is suffering as well. So, you know, we're spending a lot of time because we can see the air war. We can see the air war with a lot more clarity than we can see the ground game. um but it does not look good for the ground game uh especially in the key areas in calgary and uh the the donut around um around edmonton or the why
Annalise
21:15
why does it why does it not look good i
Carter
21:18
think because the the number of like the ndp's volunteer levels seem to be super high there seems to be a lot of activity um you know we had you know we talked about the sign launch uh you know a couple episodes ago. And that has not really been met. I think the UCP have met the NDP in large signs, but they have not met the NDP in their smaller signs on private property. And
Carter
21:45
And that matters. Private property signs are, I believe, more valuable than public signs. And I'm just not seeing that significant swing that
Carter
21:55
that we would have expected to see from a well-oiled campaign machine.
Annalise
22:01
Okay. Let's move on and talk about those wildfires. I think we need to. There's lots to pick apart. So we'll move on to our next segment, when natural disaster strikes. So there's things to talk about both locally as it pertains to the campaign, but then also this broader question of like what to do when a natural disaster strikes when you're campaigning. So almost, I think it's 30,000. It might be more than that now. Albertans have been evacuated from their homes due to several wildfires that are burning across the province. Today, we saw Daniel Smith and Rachel Notley sit down together to discuss the situation. It was photographed and posted on social. And then they actually visited with wildfire evacuees together. together so steven carter let's start with you what what is the right thing to do um when you were running for premier and it's still it's an election but you're dealing with sort of this big natural thing out of your control don't
Carter
22:51
don't try and win don't try and win using the the situation you have to do your job and doing your job may enable you to win but you cannot try to win and i think that that's actually how the ndp got themselves in a little bit of trouble today because the NDP said in their you know their statement and the tweets and such that they would be prepared for Rachel Notley to step into the cabinet room to share her knowledge and to be briefed on the situation and I was afraid that that was going to open the door to Rachel Notley being invited into the cabinet room you don't want to be anywhere near this thing if it goes well nor do you want to be anywhere near this thing if it goes poorly and today she got invited into the cabinet room um you know the the the ucp called the bluff if you will invited her in and i'm not sure that that was in the ndp's overall best interest but they tried they tried to play politics with it like don't worry we've got experience in this and oops
Carter
23:53
oops a daisy um now all of a sudden you're in the room cory
Annalise
23:57
cory do you want to talk about i guess i guess that experience and And we've talked before about how it's unique that you have someone who was premier and then was in opposition as leader for four years now running again for premier. But the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfires like that was that that was intense. Notley was fairly new into the role. She she does have experience from that. So I don't have
Annalise
24:19
have a super specific question for you, Corey, but do you want to speak to how that impacts the situation, the fact she has
Annalise
24:25
has had experience with this?
Corey
24:27
yeah well look and and the ucp have had experience too 2019 right after jason kenney was sworn in there were a bunch of wildfires in alberta and it got pretty wild um and
Corey
24:39
and unfortunately as a province we've got a lot of experience with this in the public service in our political class rachel notley as much as anybody because of course fort mcmurray was really next level stuff i joined the public service in october of 2016 so i wasn't there for fort mcmurray but
Corey
24:58
but it was a cloud over so much of what happened so many conversations that occurred uh the anxieties people had every time wildfire season came around the health risks the the psychological challenges people had who had to deal with that who were both in the provincial operations center and then of course in fort mcmurray um and you know there was it is not an exaggeration i'm not trying to be flipped to say people, had some pretty bad PTSD about that particular situation and the long, long hours they held and they did to try to keep this province safe. And so let me start here by saying these are really tough moments, like really, really tough. I didn't have anything on my watch that was like Fort McMurray. I had some bad wildfire seasons when I was there, but nothing like Fort McMurray. And I still feel that I'm wrapped up in some of that and get the anxiety about it because you do forget how life or death government can be sometimes and
Corey
25:54
these are quite clarifying moments when you have to deal with something like a wildfire the
Corey
25:59
the uh the simple reality of it is that experience matters a lot too because you do spend an awful lot of time fumbling around at the start trying to say okay what do we need to do how do we do this and it's very useful to have people who remember how it was done last time even if it's them kind of racking their brain and being apocryphal and saying, we tried that. We tried that for a day. It didn't work, right? Maybe it would work this time. Maybe not. But like, let's at least be aware of where we were previously and let's make sure it can bring forward. So, you know, Stephen, I look at it a little less cynically than you. I actually believe, especially based on the experience that she went through in 2016 and some of the experiences after, that Rachel Notley was sincerely offering her help on these particular wildfire fronts. You got to keep in mind the regions it's threatening that's her that's her home region she was premier of this province too she cares about these particular matters and one of the funny things that i hope we get to unpack a bit is at these really sharp moments where this matters like this matters this is life or death and on like timelines of hours and days not on like yeah you screw up the health care system we're all a little bit in trouble in 10 years 15 years 20 years right yeah screw up the education system we could we could wreck everything right with the next generation of citizens in 30 years 40 years 50 years this is hours and days right it's so interesting to me to see politicians actually behave like i kind of would want them to behave any other time like the way that daniel smith and rachel notley yeah with petty jabs on the side but the way rachel rachel rachel smith and daniel notley i will say the
Corey
27:35
the way daniel smith and rachel notley are
Corey
27:39
are trying to almost out reasonable each other and be like no let me help no i promise to keep please i'll take your help and i promise to keep you engaged oh please do keep me engaged and i'm also welcome i mean you know any questions you have at any time and i really want to assist on these things
Corey
27:54
this is a better kind of politics and i you know i'm sorry for all of us it takes moments like this to get it out but uh you know this is this is a weird one carter because of course it's also happening during an election you're
Carter
28:04
you're shaking your head yeah it's you know well
Carter
28:07
well how many episodes ago was it when we were talking about you just you have to win you know this this is a huge moment in this election and um you
Carter
28:17
you know this isn't the time to say no really i really do want to help this is the time to say i you know how do i make sure that this situation doesn't spin out of of control on me and i wind up losing this election because danielle smith and i actually looked like we could work together for a moment and the um the
Carter
28:38
the reluctant ucp voters who we've spoken about so many times say you know what danielle
Carter
28:43
danielle really showed her maturity she really showed her maturity on this i'm and she reached out to rachel and i think this this could work when it really gets to be crisis like we didn't have any crisis you know around covid you know or anything like that you know where danielle
Carter
28:59
danielle smith has proven that she has no capacity to deal with a real crisis and and unfortunately
Carter
29:05
unfortunately a real crisis is hitting now and and uh rachel notley offered to help and i just don't i mean i think that you can i
Carter
29:14
i just don't think this is the time to be bailing out um danielle smith in any way shape or form i
Corey
29:21
i i just really do not like it I mean, fuck, I couldn't disagree with you more. I
Corey
29:26
I mean, I get your political point. And I actually don't think it's wrong. This is
Corey
29:35
that is going to on net have, you know, if Danielle Smith acts like a premier, she's gonna benefit from this, right? And obviously, Rachel Notley helping her act like a premier is then going to be her political disadvantage. advantage but are
Corey
29:49
are there not like certain moments where we should raise above let's okay let me put it this way your
Corey
29:55
your answer is pretty flip pretty quick but what if it costs somebody their life what if it cost a family their life you have to
Corey
30:01
what if they couldn't evacuate properly you
Carter
30:02
you have a limit you have spoken about you have already spoken about how these things come in a relatively frequent basis uh in my experience we had a fire in lethbridge we had uh you know we There are fires everywhere. We were rebuilding Slave Lake because we lost Slave Lake to a fire. And you know what? We're going to have so many more fires. We're going to have so much more catastrophe because Danielle Smith will not recognize that there's a climate emergency. She is ignoring the fact that there's a climate emergency. And as a direct result, more lives are going to be lost. So, yeah, OK, we may lose one person who may in this situation fall victim to Danielle Smith's poor leadership. But that's on Danielle Smith, not on Rachel Notley. So if you want to win and you know what? I'd prefer winning to losing. Call me crazy. And if you think that this is important, as in, this is the, you know, we have to ensure that we have a functioning democracy with the capacity to recognize real issues when real issues develop. This is a woman who has ignored the COVID crisis. This is a woman who is ignoring the climate crisis. this isn't the time to sit to sit back and say well i'm happy that it was her turn to govern this week this is the time to say fuck this we have to make sure that we're the ones in government because this shit's getting real i
Corey
31:31
i think the ends justify the means said every tyrant oh my
Carter
31:36
you're making me a tyrant on this discussion come
Corey
31:39
come on man this is this is a moment a moment it should
Corey
31:43
should be a moment of clarity for people this is a moment of clarity right I cannot have Daniel Smith win at this particular moment. This is
Carter
31:50
is the most clear I can be. If Daniel Smith wins, there are more fires. There are more floods. There are more climate catastrophes. We should be talking about how with increasing frequency this is occurring and the insurance industry is going to start writing off Alberta, not protecting us from floods, not protecting us from fires. We will be Florida where the government has to be the insurance industry. We will be there. and the only way that we can stop this right now is to say that there are people who can lead and there is danielle smith and those two things are different i
Corey
32:24
really just want to land you for a moment on you saying you're willing to accept a few people dying if it keeps us from having to have government insurance no
Corey
32:34
is fundamentally what you just did you
Carter
32:38
listen danielle that's not what i said what i said was that we're going to have more and more of these incidents you know this i'm not telling you something you don't know more and more times this is going to happen on
Annalise
32:50
on that front when is the time to make that point and who should be making it as to cory's point people are evacuated and lives are at risk no
Carter
32:59
no one should be talking about it right now
Carter
33:02
because no one wants to hear it you got to get elected because getting elected matters and good leadership matters so
Corey
33:09
so so we're going to just talk about this issue which you consider so and i agree this is an existential issue i couldn't agree more strongly climate change is an important issue your
Corey
33:20
your argument is this is not an issue we should talk about during the election you
Carter
33:24
you know what i'm kim camberling this the election is no time to talk about your
Corey
33:28
your danielle smithing this doesn't want to talk about cpp doesn't want to talk about my issues
Carter
33:34
issues i want to talk about the the issues that matter i want harder health care education things that people care about and these fires may push everybody's climate change awareness up but they probably won't you know how i know that because we lost slave lake bc lost a town last year we lost four parts of fort mcmurray we almost lost lost lethbridge there's a ton of fucking places that are going to burn up this year and uh we because our economic future is tied up in it are going to to be reluctant to see it and i don't think you should campaign on things that aren't going to get you elected call me a philistine if you wish but that is what you should try not to do you should try i mean and maybe this is why you're not so good at this but you should try to campaign on issues that people want you to campaign on you
Corey
34:21
know annalise if you want to do a hard pivot to daniel smith's comments about an alberta police force being an issue for down the road this would would be like a great right here
Annalise
34:32
well look here's no go ahead cory you've got things yeah i i
Corey
34:36
i fucking understand what you're saying about the politics of it okay but at the end of the day you got to be a human being too and if you can't accept my human being argument at least accept this political one the risk of rachel notley looking like she was just willing to let daniel smith fall on her face i think is also fairly significant no
Corey
34:57
you have to look like you're invested in the success of this province you know why because people actually want a human being and i think there are ways not in my experience both they
Corey
35:06
they do not can both help help
Corey
35:08
help make sure tell
Annalise
35:10
tell us about your experience with people not wanting human beings all
Annalise
35:15
all right yeah i'm
Corey
35:16
i'm intrigued but let me just say this there
Corey
35:18
there is a way that rachel notley can help with the fire and win win this election those two are not mutually exclusive oh
Carter
35:26
god you're making it harder you're making
Carter
35:28
making it harder tell
Carter
35:29
people want they want a story they don't want they don't want they don't want character they want celebrity they want like look around us look at look at donald trump donald trump's not a fucking human being we all know that donald trump's not a human being and he's one he he just came out today the polls have him in first ahead of joe biden while he's he's indicted, while he's facing a civil rape trial, while he's potentially facing all these other charges. People are fucking nuts. People don't even know what they want. But all they know for sure is that they'd rather have drama and lunacy than sane government. So if you want to go out on a sane government, I mean, the Alberta party used to do this. What we need in Alberta is a sales tax. I agree. We do need a sales tax. When's the time to talk about it? Not during a a campaign turns out that's really difficult to campaign on you shouldn't be campaigning on stuff that's stupid there
Carter
36:24
there i said it all
Carter
36:28
okay uh let's move on to our next segment i can't believe you're moving on to the next segment like i was wrong like i've said something offensive no
Annalise
36:37
no you haven't this damn right you have you two have very you have very different and interesting views but i just you're
Annalise
36:48
your point you had that passionate speech about climate change in the future and this and that and then you're like but no we can never talk about this not
Carter
36:55
not never we can't talk about it during a campaign i mean i think as soon as you win yeah
Annalise
36:59
yeah but if but if but if smith wins then when do we talk about it if
Carter
37:03
if smith wins we'll never talk about it that's the fucking point don't
Carter
37:09
what where are we missed where are we not connecting
Annalise
37:15
our next segment our next segment speaking of the alberta party our next segment is called there's a new party in town oh
Annalise
37:21
uh move over alberta party move over alberta liberals move over greens there's a new party in town and so far they have the third most candidates running in this election after the ucp and ndp which both have 87 um as dave burda reported good old dave the wild rose loyalty coalition was recognized as a political party just last week and then this weekend they registered 54 candidates across alberta uh the party was formed by paul hinman a former wild rose mla and the wild rose leader before smith was leader of the wild rose what do you guys think will this party make a dent dent cory hogan what
Annalise
38:01
what what are your thoughts on their names a mouthful what are your thoughts on the wild rose loyalty coalition i
Corey
38:07
think the wild rose wild rose loyalty coalition is unlikely to make much of a dent because of the areas it's decided to run when i look at where those 53 candidates are they seem to be in rural alberta and in edmonton i think there's a certain awareness that they they cannot if they if they want to maintain and build a coalition longer term cost the UCP the election. And so almost by design, it looks like they're not going to affect this election. They want to be able to have a showing in writings that the UCP would otherwise run up the board 70, 80% of the vote in some areas. And by the way, for those not in Alberta, maybe not an exaggeration. It's quite possible that these are the percents they're getting. And so no, I don't think they're going to have an effect. They're certainly not going to be invited to any debates i i mean as i say that i'm now wondering like i wonder if they pulled a 10 instantly if they'd be invited to a debate but no they're not going to be invited to any debates and uh i actually don't think they're going to get a very high percent of the vote as a result like they're designed to not actually have a shot steven
Annalise
39:10
steven carter do you agree with cory hogan this time yeah
Carter
39:14
yeah i mean there's no such thing as vote split they they will have virtually no impact Corey actually
Carter
39:20
actually made my case that there's no such thing as vote split and
Carter
39:26
they will not have any impact they are not relevant
Carter
39:32
than the Alberta party but I don't think that that's possible to
Corey
39:34
to be clear what
Corey
39:35
what I said is they are aware of vote split which is why they are not running in certain geography and you see this as evidence of me what I
Carter
39:43
I heard was you were agreeing with me that there's no such thing as vote split it
Corey
39:48
all right yeah laurie's
Carter
39:48
laurie's gonna be okay laurie thinks there is and she's gonna have some you're gonna have some splaining when you get home wait
Annalise
39:55
wait let's let's talk about the like starting a new party yeah
Annalise
39:59
i don't know what's what's your advice what's the strategy of starting a new a new party and is coming out with a bang like this being like hey we registered a week ago and now here's our 54 candidates it's
Corey
40:13
it's actually one of the easiest ways it's one of the easiest ways to register a party i can't remember the exact guidelines steven you might have a better sense uh
Carter
40:21
50 we don't need
Corey
40:22
need the exact 50 candidates or
Carter
40:23
or something like that and
Corey
40:24
and but the candidate threshold is the easiest one because otherwise it's go get a ton of signatures across the province so yeah the
Carter
40:32
the hell candidate or sitting mlas are the two easiest ways to get yourself uh registered so
Carter
40:37
so this is the easiest way and yeah this is the way to do it because you're making a big splash and this is really 50 people putting their name on a ballot you don't need to live there you just you physically choose where you're going to put your 50 candidates and it's 50 people sitting in a uh sitting in a barn somewhere talking about how how uh you remember that time when cory hogan didn't win the uh glenmore nomination and
Carter
41:01
and the liberals gave away the
Corey
41:02
the seat to cut deep cut liberals
Carter
41:04
liberals give away the seat to uh paul hinman and then daniel smith wins the leadership like a week later and politics
Carter
41:11
politics is fucked forever in alberta and you know whose fault it
Corey
41:14
it is it is a deep cut it's
Carter
41:16
it's my fault yeah
Corey
41:17
so for for the uninitiated and i hope that's all of you there's no way that this is that
Carter
41:23
everybody's uninitiated like vincent's
Corey
41:25
in 09 in 09 i ran for a liberal party nomination in calgary glenmore there was a by-election that's going to happen i lost it by like five votes it was super close and and there were like a lot of votes because it was a time when the liberals were the opposition it seemed like it was a potential liberal gain mean the
Corey
41:43
the conservatives uh came in third they were the incumbents they came in third wild rose beat the liberals by like 100 votes 200 votes super close nothing
Corey
41:51
at the end of it yeah it was very very close and so that's the sliding doors hey man if i had found five more people who would have voted for me instead of you know who
Carter
41:59
who didn't vote for you who
Carter
42:01
who zane or i that's
Carter
42:05
it's hurtful hey you
Corey
42:06
you don't live in glenmore well we could
Carter
42:08
could have we could have at that time i don't know
Annalise
42:11
didn't know that i didn't know that you ran for uh for
Annalise
42:14
for a liberal this is why we all make mistakes
Corey
42:18
we all make i ran for the nomination yeah for the nomination
Annalise
42:23
would have won the
Carter
42:24
the election guaranteed because yeah avalon ran a terrible campaign and
Annalise
42:28
and then you carter
Annalise
42:29
carter you wouldn't be here with your best buds cory hogan debating climate change yeah
Corey
42:35
yeah you'd be my chief of staff and i'd be premier exactly this
Carter
42:38
universe Sports felt way better for me, I can assure you.
Annalise
42:44
What a time. Okay, back to the party stuff. Okay, strategy of starting a party, you told me, super easy. What about when a party should die? Like, when should you say, hey, we've
Annalise
42:55
we've given it our try, and we're not going to do this for another election. Like, let's close doors. Let's wrap this up. When should that happen? in
Corey
43:07
is a great question i wish we could find a metric for it because there are so many parties that are propped up just by stubbornness people who don't want to say it didn't work you know they're just going to give it another shot and there should be like a metric which is like the number of people who naturally call you or something i don't know what it is but we should create this metric and say hey you
Corey
43:30
you know the metric i always use but it's like an impossible one to kind of quantify on the other side is if tomorrow we were all struck dumb and none of us knew any political parties political parties didn't exist and we had to create them again would anybody think to create your political party and if the answer is no your political party serves no purpose and should not exist that's that's kind of threshold one but there's also kind of a popular support and and maybe it's like is your volunteer grace base growing or shrinking what's keeping it alive if you took out okay here's one for you on the off the dome here if you took out five key volunteers from this political party would it stop oh
Corey
44:09
oh that's a good one yes if the answer is yes it should not exist that is the number i
Corey
44:15
think five is the number i think i think five might even be generous three
Carter
44:18
three people have kept the alberta liberals alive over
Carter
44:20
over the last decade like Like, Corey leaves, three people have kept the Liberals alive. It really has been such a tremendously small number of people. And in the last four years since David Kahn left, it might even be smaller than that. This
Carter
44:37
is, you know, the Alberta party is like one real candidate away from being irrelevant. You know, and don't even get me started on the smaller parties. there
Carter
44:48
was a guy uh the the paul hinman of the past was thorkelstein thor do you remember randy thorstein thor yeah
Corey
44:57
yeah and he ran like he's for leader of like the greens and like yeah right he'd made
Carter
45:03
made and created i'll get corrected in the discord uh
Carter
45:06
uh if you're not a discord member you can be just by joining our patreon um that
Corey
45:12
that was good such an elegant natural sale right there um
Carter
45:19
you know he created all these parties that then failed and at least he let them fail uh some of these middle parties um they just need to go away i mean and you you don't it can be a little bit like art you don't necessarily need to have a key metric to say this is the metric but you certainly should know it when you see it and and i'm looking around and i'm like like that one and that one and that one and that one should all go away now.
Carter
45:46
I mean, keep in mind, the Alberta Party-
Annalise
45:47
- You do need a metric if, as you're saying, there's ones that should go away that still exist. Yeah,
Carter
45:52
Yeah, but you know what? People, I mean, it's like nonprofits, right? How many nonprofits are out there that barely survive each year, but they are kept alive by a founder or two or three people or whatever, and that's not serving their mandate, right? But their mandate at some point, becomes survival and that's what they think their actual mandate is it's not your mandate is supposed to be to serve the community not just simply survive and
Carter
46:21
and the same with political parties with
Corey
46:24
with political parties there's a very organic i think solution to this problem which is we should just make it that parties need to re-register using the exact same rules as registering
Corey
46:35
every three years or something to that effect right because as long as you continue doing in your filings as long as you run like one candidate you will continue to be registered as a political party but maybe every three years you should show yes
Corey
46:48
yes i have run 50
Corey
46:50
50 candidates in the last election or yes i can go get 6 000 signatures again or 8 000 or whatever it is i think it's a percent i can't remember what it is steve but
Corey
46:59
but that i think that's a bar that for sure the alberta liberal party would fail right now and i think it's a bar that probably Probably the Alberta party would fail. Carter,
Annalise
47:07
Carter, do you agree with that? Re-register every three years? I think the re
Carter
47:11
re-registering is good because it doesn't really cost you anything. Re-registering is just a simple exercise in volunteer commitment and volunteer management. So yeah, I think that that's good. I don't think you want to put a financial threshold on democracy, but I do think you need to say a party is a collection of individuals who can achieve things. And if you can't achieve them, then really, are you a party?
Annalise
47:35
okay let's leave that there and move on to our lightning round all
Annalise
47:41
47 minutes in no
Carter
47:42
no but you had another topic that you just skipped and just pushed into the no
Annalise
47:45
no i didn't i did i did three topics that's that's i did three segments that's a lot what a
Annalise
47:50
twist lately right you guys got me into that like one two segments thing that i didn't love um
Annalise
47:58
lightning round i mean
Annalise
48:00
no it was good you
Annalise
48:01
like being here with the past few episodes you like you
Annalise
48:04
it more than you
Carter
48:04
you thought you would you can tell everybody more
Annalise
48:07
more than i thought i would i mean you came in thinking well
Carter
48:10
well i'll give this a try at least they're paying me uh
Carter
48:13
uh i could use some extra cash
Annalise
48:16
carter carter gave me a call and then i said well i don't listen to the podcast dude i i could i could give this a try here we are that was a few
Annalise
48:26
you still don't listen to
Carter
48:26
to the podcast which is even more
Annalise
48:30
people around me listen to the podcast um i'm busy yeah lightning round there's a video circulating today uh it was just posted early this evening it's a clip from a podcast that daniel smith did in november 2021 um
Annalise
48:44
um she talks about the netflix series how to become a tyrant and then she equates the 75 of the public who who got vaccinated to those who followed Hitler. It's making the rounds. As I say, it was just posted this evening and it's getting a lot of views and a lot of reaction. Stephen Carter, you're rubbing your eyes.
Annalise
49:04
Let's say you're advising the UCP. Right now it's Sunday night, Monday, and I'm thinking mainstream media will hopefully pick this up. What do you tell the UCP to do?
Corey
49:26
feel like i want to read you on this episode like this might have changed some of my views about this is
Carter
49:31
is the lightning round you know what i think if i'm if i'm the ucp i'm telling danielle smith that the wildfire is the only issue right now and she has to stay in the command center center uh where she is essentially um unable to address political
Carter
49:47
political questions of the type uh
Carter
49:50
that have been raised by this video i mean if i'm advising her i think that that's really the only place you go i mean cory you you
Carter
49:56
you got any better ideas bud buddy pal but
Carter
50:01
but i'm mine i
Carter
50:02
told you well i told your avalon roberts story come on buddy the
Corey
50:07
the uh yeah well look
Corey
50:10
that's that's fucking rough holy shit um the velgey rule comes to mind immediately yeah
Annalise
50:15
yeah what's the velgey rule the
Corey
50:17
velgey rule zane velgey uh emphatically wants you to know it is not named after him because it's something that he's done or would do but because he coined it which i think is you know bad marketing very
Carter
50:30
very bad marketing because
Corey
50:31
because the rule is your political career is over the The minute you have to say the phrase, I have always been a friend of the Jewish people, because that means you've done something that forces you to have to go in and really re-articulate, you know, your commitment to the Jewish people. So that's,
Corey
50:50
that's, I mean, that's really bad. I mean, I don't know if you guys know this. It was in all the newspapers in the 40s. Hitler was a bad dude. And to suggest that the 75%, the vast majority of people who got vaccinated are the kind of people that would follow Adolf Hitler, you know, arguably history's greatest monster, if not like top three, you know, like there's some,
Corey
51:13
there's been some bad people out there. Right.
Corey
51:17
That's, that's not great. That's really not great. So I'll be interested to see where they go with this one. Okay,
Carter
51:23
Okay, hang on. Can I jump in here?
Carter
51:25
Yeah, you can jump in. You've simply re-articulated the problem.
Carter
51:28
I understood the problem.
Carter
51:31
Annalise asked us a specific question, and I'd like your input on the actual question. Well,
Carter
51:36
Well, I asked you
Annalise
51:36
you a specific question, Carter, and then you asked it to Corey. No, but I answered the question, which was stay
Annalise
51:45
stay in the wild. Maybe I had a different question for Corey. Do
Corey
51:48
Do you know what? Let's talk this out. Let's do this. let's do this as though we were actually in the room with daniel smith processing this for the first time
Carter
51:55
time hang on can i be okay can
Carter
51:56
can i analyze your daniel smith okay
Carter
51:59
okay i'm gonna be rob anderson okay cory that means you have to be marshall smith okay
Annalise
52:06
i'm gonna go i say
Corey
52:08
say a lot definitely not gonna i'm not gonna play roles i'm not gonna play your dumb game but what i am gonna do is i'm gonna say let's
Corey
52:15
let's throw some solutions on the table here like one is the mea culpa right You just say, like, I fucked up. That was a really stupid thing to say. You know what? I was really mad about vaccines. I felt they were coercive. But
Corey
52:27
that was clearly way too far. Let me tell you
Carter
52:29
you something, Marshall. We learned in 2012 that a quick apology doesn't necessarily take us there.
Corey
52:36
In 2012, if Danielle Smith had quickly apologized, she'd probably have been pre- Now,
Carter
52:40
Now, that's revisionist history, Marshall. I mean, I was there.
Corey
52:46
Can you play this straight for a minute? it what do you think like is that the mea culpa you can't
Carter
52:51
can't do this mea culpa because
Carter
52:52
because then you mea culpa ends with i've
Carter
52:55
i've always been a friend of the jewish people and
Carter
52:58
and what does the velji rule teach us if nothing else that you can't say that you can't
Annalise
53:01
can't do that that is a terribly named rule but yeah you can't do that yeah bad bad communications there's a great thing it's quite confusing oh
Carter
53:13
oh but it's it's it's succinct and it's insightful we agree on that it
Annalise
53:17
it needs a a better name a side note are you guys surprised that this is just and i think you referenced it earlier carter like that we're eight days seven days into the campaign and we're just this is just coming out now could
Carter
53:29
could you imagine being raj and sani who actually ran a campaign against danielle smith to become the premier of alberta sitting
Carter
53:37
sitting there as a candidate right
Carter
53:40
right now for a woman who said this like
Carter
53:43
like holy shit but why why was it not found do you think that's do you
Annalise
53:48
you think that's a statement on how but is that also a statement on how many things daniel smith has been out there speaking and saying and doing cory okay
Corey
53:57
okay but if you're gonna say okay that might have been a challenge 10 years ago 20 years ago when you had to go find tapes and stuff but at this point it's all podcasts it's digital records you can get a voice to text transcription in like a minute you can do that for all of them create a batch file this is an afternoon task for an intern and then you just do command f hitler and see what comes up right
Corey
54:23
right like this should not have been missed if this was in a podcast are you
Carter
54:27
you saying to me that
Carter
54:29
that what we say on this podcast could easily come back to haunt us well
Annalise
54:33
well i was gonna ask when when cory decides to run again end for politics who who is tasked with listening to 1059 hour long episodes like that's that's a full-time job we
Carter
54:46
started we did half hour episodes oh
Annalise
54:49
i would i would they're a little shorter and
Corey
54:51
and there were commercials in there too you
Annalise
54:53
you guys used to do commercials with
Corey
54:54
with the zoom exclusive no it was on radio well
Carter
54:56
well and then yeah i'm
Corey
54:58
i'm talking radio i'm talking about
Corey
54:59
about back this is
Carter
55:00
is early days early yeah yeah
Annalise
55:02
early early days um okay is there i know this is lightning round but that was a that was a meaty topic that was unbelievable
Carter
55:08
for lightning around that's why i said i thought you had one more topic in you okay
Corey
55:13
like a maya call but yours is hide you're saying you can just hide and hope this blows over like let's just literally hoping
Carter
55:19
something burns down and then i get to you know rescue the people like
Carter
55:24
like i'm hoping for a superhero exit on this like Like, there's almost no way to
Annalise
55:27
to deal with this. But Carter, play that out.
Annalise
55:31
Superhero X, like, exit, and then there's still a debate. There's still more days of the campaign. You think it just disappears?
Carter
55:39
Okay, can I be honest for a second? Can I just drop the facade here for a sec?
Carter
55:45
Okay, here's the honest truth.
Carter
55:47
You are asking me a question to which I do not have an answer. There is literally no good strategy for, Or, hey, why did you call all the Albertans Nazi sympathizers? Well,
Annalise
55:59
all of them, 75
Corey
56:02
do we get out of this? Can I ask, though?
Corey
56:04
Do we think people will care? Maybe we should start there. That's why I'm thinking
Annalise
56:10
But I think that speaks to this point about it not being found. If you have someone who has said a lot of crazy shit, and she says, oh, I've changed
Annalise
56:19
changed my mind, and this and that, and I speak, and I'm a broadcaster, and I'm a performer. like does it will this be a front page news tomorrow do we think yes
Carter
56:29
yes because you know what cory and i have performed quite a bit um we have been like as you mentioned we're like at a thousand hours of content so far cory how many times have you inadvertently compared
Carter
56:43
compared the people of alberta to hitler to nazis uh
Corey
56:47
uh zero steven and the only times you've done it have been advertently yeah when i chose to when i
Carter
56:53
i chose to yeah
Corey
56:54
yeah that's right this
Carter
56:55
this is this is a bad outcome for a very bad politician you know i i thought then we all we
Carter
57:03
we have said on this podcast that we like danielle but she has lost her fucking mind her
Carter
57:08
her she is she's gone i don't know i don't know what causes someone to take that serious tone and this is the other thing like the tone on it is like insane i
Carter
57:20
haven't Did you watch the whole episode, Carter? I didn't watch the whole, I just saw the clip. And the tone of how,
Carter
57:27
how, how did we wind up in this position? Corey, Corey, tell me, you
Carter
57:33
how did we wind up the position where, you know, people say, how do people follow Nazis? And here I am watching now as these people follow these people who want to save their lives. And I think this is how it starts. arts this is how we become nazis you know like fuck me like how the how how do those words escape someone's mouth how how does this happen i do not understand okay
Annalise
58:04
let's leave that one there because i will record in another day and i'm sure there will be a lot we can we can have a bigger non-lightning round segment on this carter oh
Carter
58:14
it back and you can ask me how to to get her out of it again because that would be fantastic well
Annalise
58:18
well well you got two days to
Corey
58:19
to think about it it's
Annalise
58:21
make a powerpoint steven carter you
Annalise
58:24
i had to make
Carter
58:25
make a powerpoint the other day for work and i was so traumatized by your comments i
Carter
58:29
i was trying to find that ai co-pilot thing and see if i qualified for it so that it could actually make my powerpoint for me don't
Carter
58:37
don't have it yet so i just you know sorry to my client oopsies okay
Annalise
58:44
okay next Next question, last lightning round question. Corey Hogan, if you were to start a political party, what are you calling it? What is the name of your political party?
Corey
58:58
I think it's the Coalition for the Future of Alberta.
Carter
59:03
God, that just made me so sleepy.
Corey
59:07
Well, it's the joke.
Corey
59:13
is that's what CAC is in Quebec. Coalition for the Future of Quebec. Yeah.
Annalise
59:18
That was a really insider. Yeah. Okay. It's really
Corey
59:21
It requires you to speak more than one language to get the joke. Super
Annalise
59:26
Super insider. Stephen Carter, what would you name your political party?
Carter
59:30
No, what Corey just said was really good. I'd probably do that.
Annalise
59:35
We're going to leave it there. That's a wrap on episode 1059 of The Strategist. My name is Annalise Klingbeil. With you as always Stephen Carter, Corey Hogan.