Transcript
SPEAKER_00
0:06
Hello. Welcome to The Strategist, episode 1047. I'm your host, Annalise Klingbeil. With you, as always, Stephen Carter, Corey Hogan. Oh my god. We're here.
Carter
0:19
And a live audience.
SPEAKER_00
0:20
audience. And a live audience. With a live audience at the Grands in Calgary. This is good. We can't hear your dog in the background with his little squeak toy. Heather's not making popcorn we
SPEAKER_00
0:29
we got this is good how are you feeling you
Carter
0:35
guys notice how much more lively she is when we put her in front of 400 people all
Carter
0:40
all of a sudden the energies goes way up
SPEAKER_00
0:42
so it's it's an exciting night it's a good night battle of the strategists you two are dueling it out Carter literally just finished like as Zane was speaking he was I'm not kidding he was scribbling notes the
Carter
0:58
blanks are where I know what I'm so okay yeah
Corey
1:01
Steven you know this is like a 10-minute presentation by the way that looks like war and peace there it's
Corey
1:06
it's 29 slides oh good how
SPEAKER_00
1:08
how many times have you practiced your presentation ah
Carter
1:12
ah four or five how
SPEAKER_00
1:13
how many times have you practiced yours well
Carter
1:15
well in the back there when we were waiting for Zane to stop talking
SPEAKER_00
1:18
yeah about half you
Corey
1:22
know the The last time we actually had a strategy square off was the 2012 election. You
Corey
1:26
You were running the PC, so
Carter
1:28
so I was running
Corey
1:28
running the Liberals. You
Carter
1:29
You wanted to bring that up.
Corey
1:33
Yeah, well, you know, there's no teacher like failure, Stephen.
SPEAKER_00
1:38
11 years later, we're back. You're
Corey
1:40
You're going to duel. It's about every 10 years.
SPEAKER_00
1:42
Win bragging rights, glory. Maybe we could throw in a Queen's Jubilee medal. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00
1:50
Zane? Could Zane donate his? I don't know.
Carter
1:53
I don't think that's the way those work, but the guy with the West of Centre T-shirt can pony that up.
Carter
2:00
I'd compete hard for that. An
SPEAKER_00
2:01
An audience member is going to take off a shirt, and that is part of what is on the line tonight. So, just to recap, Corey Hogan has the UCP 2023 election strategy as determined by those people who pay for this podcast. That's right. Our patrons, if
SPEAKER_00
2:16
I'm saying it correctly. He doesn't write this
SPEAKER_00
2:19
and Stephen Carter has the NDP 2023 election strategy so guys audience we want to hear from you as they're presenting cheer boo heckle it's all good it's all welcome here um
SPEAKER_00
2:34
um you guys feeling good are you nervous not really
Carter
2:38
mean we got their money as they pointed out yeah at
Carter
2:41
at this stage we We could just sit here for
Carter
2:44
for the rest of the show. Our upside's kind of
SPEAKER_00
2:46
of net, no matter. We could just keep our small talk going all night. Okay, I have the coin. You
Corey
2:50
You have the coin. So,
SPEAKER_00
2:51
So, I think we should do the toss.
Carter
2:54
Because you got your ass kicked in 2012. What
Corey
2:57
All right, I will. So,
SPEAKER_00
2:58
So, are you calling War Room or Archer?
Corey
3:01
You know, so this is true. The Canadian Energy Center, the War Room.
Corey
3:07
You're welcome. I'm calling that War
Carter
3:11
It's a private enterprise. What were you doing involved branding
SPEAKER_00
3:16
You get to pick. You want to go first or
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3:20
won. You were talking there.
SPEAKER_00
3:21
I'm going first. You won. You choose if you go first or second.
Carter
3:26
This is called setting the table, folks. It's very important in communications that you go first to set the table, especially
Carter
3:32
especially if you think you're going to win.
Carter
3:38
he just advance the slide? You can advance my slides?
Carter
3:43
It's gonna be a long night. Don't do that anymore.
Carter
3:48
Zane has already pointed out to me my first error in this presentation and that is that I've got the NDP strategy instead of the Alberta NDP strategy.
Carter
3:56
Apparently putting the word Alberta in front of NDP is gonna swing this motherfucker.
Carter
4:04
Here's the thing, 2015 is not gonna happen again. We
Carter
4:08
We had a split. As As you can see, in 2015, the results were fairly resounding for the NDP, they picked up a lot of seats. Plus, if you were to add the UCP and the PCs, or the Wild Rose and the PCs, making up today's UCP, in fact, the UCP would have won a majority. That is just the reality, that's what's going on. So, in 2019, that's what we saw. The NDP held most of their votes, and as a result, were shrunken down to the minority, or the opposition that we see today. day. The
Carter
4:38
The other thing that we know is that the election period will matter. Hey,
Corey
4:42
Hey, Steven, great, great labels on your slide.
Zain
4:47
Hey, Carter, it's Zane, voice of God here. A couple things, you know, as I go through your presentation, I want you to be clean on this, but number one, I think we all noticed you were using a soapbox, and number two, Corey,
Zain
5:00
Corey, if you can't see, you can do the Kate Kate Winslet arched back pose to look at the screen. Okay, I'll be back.
Carter
5:12
Any errors on these slides are David Coletto's from Abacus Data.
Carter
5:18
Because there is a typo on the next slide, and now I'm afraid to go to it.
Carter
5:26
It is, in fact, David Coletto's.
Carter
5:34
truth of the matter is, these
Carter
5:37
these slides were fucking perfect when I had them to say. We fucking
Zain
5:40
fucking paid money to see this? Jesus Christ.
Carter
5:52
the horse race doesn't matter.
Carter
5:54
What does matter is issues. You're
Carter
5:56
You're going to see the cost of living, healthcare, and the economy are our most important issues. Of those, there are some parties that do better and some parties that do worse. This is how we measure that. You can see that things like climate change, the NDP has a plus 15. Reducing the gap between the rich and the poor, the NDP have a plus 10. The issues at the bottom are all NDP, including one that we really care about, which is healthcare. care. Unfortunately, the other things that we care about, like cost of living, is a push between the NDP and the UCP. Above that, you can start seeing things like protecting the rights of gun owners, also things we don't care about that much. But managing the Alberta economy, it turns out that we believe the UCP will do a better job. Apparently, four years of evidence matters not at all.
Carter
6:50
So the horse race doesn't matter, right? But what does matter is how the vote is actually differentiated by gender and by age. You can see that if you're under 45 years old, how many people are under 45 here today?
Carter
7:06
There are some of you that just lied because you're liars.
Carter
7:10
You will matter. And unfortunately, of course, that's the least likely demographic to vote. vote. So more of them are likely to vote NDP, but fewer of them will vote at all.
Carter
7:22
You can also see that the NDP have an advantage with female voters. This is interesting because one of the cohorts that tends to be the last to decide are
Carter
7:30
are women voters. Women voters tend to decide late in the process, so when we're seeing the NDP and the UCP tied, that probably indicates some sort of benefit for the NDP at this stage. Horse race doesn't matter, women voters matter okay
Carter
7:45
okay does that make sense everybody's on board everybody's with me a couple people down here at the front not doing so well but we're gonna keep going anyways okay region turns out the NDP are probably gonna win Edmonton I think we can all agree who thinks the UCP is gonna win Edmonton yeah
Carter
8:03
that's that one guy from Lethbridge that introduced himself happy
Carter
8:07
happy to have you on on board.
Carter
8:10
You'll note that Calgary's right now on this poll from Abacus is a push and then we get to the other areas and it turns out the UCP is doing quite well in other areas. There are a couple areas that that breaks down but we'll talk about that as I get moving to the presentation. There are of course four key voter segments. The first is the Loyal and UCP. Loyal UCP is the largest voter segment in Alberta. We have voted conservative in this province forever. It is our natural spot. That is where we begin. We vote Conservative.
Carter
8:41
29%, one in three, are voting for the UCP. Another big chunk, 24%, are voting for the NDP.
Carter
8:48
Then you'll see that there's a bunch of people who are actually going to switch to the NDP in order to stop the UCP.
Carter
8:53
That's called the smaller parties. We invited them to be here tonight but we couldn't reach anybody.
Carter
9:00
And that leaves us with one of the most important subsets and that is the reluctant UCP. The
Carter
9:04
The reluctant UCP voter tends to be female. They tend to have voted for the UCP and the NDP at least once before, but they voted UCP in the last election. They voted for jobs. They voted for pipelines. And they voted for economic recovery because they believed that the UCP could bring us that.
Carter
9:25
They are concerned now because they are moving their votes around. They are not likely to vote for the NDP they
Carter
9:32
they are not likely to return to that that is a step too far so the NDP has two jobs move those ten percent of the voters from the smaller parties over to the loyal NDP and
Carter
9:43
and make sure that the reluctant UCP voter does not come out make
Carter
9:47
make sense who understands no one perfect so
Carter
9:51
we have to keep them home this is what's showing that so you can see that in 2015 in 2012 like there There is significant voter turnout differences. When we add everybody together, 2012 had a huge voter turnout, mostly because I was running it against Corey.
Carter
10:09
2015, huge drop in the number of people. Even though the UCP would have won the election, we still saw a significant drop of the number of people who actually voted for the UCP or the wild rose and the PCs together. We have to return to that.
Carter
10:25
That is the easiest way to ensure that the NDP wins the election. So how do we do that? Well first of all we have to accept that it's not a province-wide race.
Carter
10:33
Obviously the first area is Edmonton!
Carter
10:40
There is one seat to pick up there. I think the the NDP will do it. If they don't, they don't deserve to form government.
Carter
10:48
Casey Madu is running running there.
Carter
10:53
I'm going to say that one more time. Casey Maddow is
Corey
10:59
My aspiration in life is to be a laugh line.
Carter
11:03
Ladies and gentlemen, Corey Hogan.
Carter
11:10
Secondary is the Edmonton region. Now these are the, sometimes it's called the donuts. I call it the horseshoe because I don't think it's shaped like a donut because one whole side is missing.
Carter
11:21
But, you know, the NDP call it the donut, and we're here with their language today because we're trying to be inclusive.
Carter
11:29
The Edmonton region is super important, and right now there's a bunch of pickups. You can see the light orange will be three likely pickups for the NDP if they're able to work through it. The blue seats are a little bit more tricky. I'll talk a little bit more about that region.
Carter
11:46
it's apparently Tahoe is
Carter
11:50
don't give a fuck like
Carter
11:54
like sure we said interact with us what we didn't say is interact with us if we don't want to hear from you okay it's a different thing it's touch and go I could see why you're confused Zane made it sound like it was something we wanted we
Carter
12:08
we do want it for Corey and Zane I can hear you touching the microphone.
Carter
12:15
The next region is Lethbridge.
Carter
12:18
Shannon Phillips is the MLA in Lethbridge. Lethbridge West or East, no one really knows. And the other one's up for grabs and it is attainable. So that one I think is something that can be almost counted on at this stage. And
Carter
12:33
And then of course we bring in Calgary.
Carter
12:35
Now Now Calgary is where you see the most yellow on the
Carter
12:41
the map, and you also see some of that teal color. There is both ridings that can be picked up and ridings that are stretched to pick up. But Calgary is, if anybody here is decent at math, no
Carter
12:55
no one here is decent at math, is the area that we really want to focus on. But in order to do that, we have to recognize the NDP's strengths and weaknesses. the NDP
Carter
13:06
does not do ground
Carter
13:09
want to do ground game they want to understand how to do ground game but they're just
Carter
13:14
just not good at it and part of it is that they started off in Edmonton you know four seats eight seats ten seats depending on how far back we want to go into the 1970s they have never been a multi-city multi-area party before 2015 and you're gonna be shocked to find out you're gonna be shocked to find out that 2015 wasn't really their win so
Carter
13:38
so much as it was Jim Prentice's loss people weren't vote I
Carter
13:49
that was a former PCM LA who did that I'm
Carter
13:53
I'm not naming names I'm not here to shame anybody I'm
Carter
13:59
I'm just saying hell
Carter
14:01
hell of a race Linda hell of a race if
Carter
14:07
if the NDP wants to win this election they have to establish ground game they have people who do great digital ads Zane Velji for example they have people who do good media relations Jeremy if you're here probably not because he sounded
Carter
14:22
sounded a little testy on on the phone today.
Carter
14:25
Sorry about that, Jer.
Carter
14:27
But anyways, the point that they have people to do that kind of air war function. They're not bad at the air war. Where they're missing out is that extra 5% that they're going to need if they're going to win by six votes over Linda every single time in 2023. And that's what they have to be thinking about. They have to think about winning by six votes every time. Their whole structure, though, is set up to create air
Carter
14:52
Everybody Everybody that they have is a captain.
Carter
14:55
No one's a corporal.
Carter
14:57
No one's a private. We need corporals. We need privates. We need sergeants. We need people on the ground. And the way to do that, just,
Corey
15:06
just, I'd like the computer to still be there when it's my turn.
Carter
15:15
It's okay, it wasn't really the thesis of my strategy that I was about to make.
Carter
15:22
before he came and took the water bottle from me the
Carter
15:26
way to do this is to create regional accountability with their lieutenants and captains therefore
Carter
15:32
therefore we must set aside in the Edmonton region a
Carter
15:36
a captain who will be responsible for that race I'm
Carter
15:39
I'm gonna name Jerry Scott that's not a name that anybody knows no one should know that but
Carter
15:44
but he's a key captain in the NDP he has to be responsible for Spruce Grove, St. Albert, Sherwood Park, Strathcona, Sherwood Park, and Fort Saskatchewan. Because
Carter
15:52
Because if he's not responsible, then work's not going to get done.
Carter
15:55
Because they will not allocate the resources, they will not understand what's happening on the ground.
Carter
16:00
So Jerry Scott needs to be their person and he needs to report back every single day, not on what we need to do in the war room, not on what needs to be done for advertising. He needs to report back what needs to be done on the ground in those four ridings to make sure that they go go orange.
Carter
16:17
If they do not have that, then they can't win in the Edmonton region.
Carter
16:22
I want a Calgary Northwest region set up.
Carter
16:27
was not a laugh line.
Carter
16:31
I mean, I'm always surprised when you laugh at my laugh lines. You've heard the podcast. Often they don't work.
Carter
16:37
Calgary Northwest, Calgary Foothills, Calgary Hawkwood, these are all essential ridings. They need to be they need to be managed calgary bow is the candidate is drew farrell i
Carter
16:48
i mean she wasn't going to win her election in as a counselor and now she's a star candidate for the ndp she needs more help than any of the most of the unknown candidates in the ndp you need to focus and they need to put people in there i would recommend that um jim rutkowski good friend of ours love jim jim's a a great guy. He should take Calgary Northwest. We need to assign Cheryl Oates to Calgary South in Acadia, Fish Creek, Glenmore. Those areas aren't going to be won if there's not someone who has the Premier's ear every single day. And Cheryl Oates is the one who whispers to the Premier.
Carter
17:27
Cheryl and the Premier will go for a run and good things will happen.
Carter
17:32
It is the only time ever that good things happen from a run.
Carter
17:37
Calgary Northeast. I mean, obviously these seats are massive. This is a block that the UCP should lose. These seats should be lost. They shouldn't even be hard, but they will be hard because voter turnout's a bitch in the Northeast. So you know what you need?
Carter
17:55
And I'm going to put Nathan Rotman, who is right now supposed to be the campaign manager fuck
Carter
18:00
fuck that nathan you don't need to manage shit you need to get your ass down here and manage calgary northeast because that's where everything matters this
Corey
18:09
this is so inside ball
SPEAKER_00
18:11
carter you gotta wrap it up
Carter
18:33
not gonna lie to you if that was Zane I wouldn't care messaging
Carter
18:41
simple all messages need to be put into two categories the NDP works for us the UCP works for them
Carter
18:47
right eighty million dollars on children's medicine that didn't help us that helps someone else the
Carter
18:52
the war room the energy war room and i see you right there i see you right there
Carter
18:57
i'm not saying we have someone from the energy war room there but
Carter
18:59
but he's right there
Carter
19:02
don't raise your fucking hand steve this
Carter
19:04
this is not the audience
Carter
19:12
putting us first i want the ndp to say you we us then them right now every single communication Communication starts with them. The UCP, the UCP, the UCP. Fuck the UCP. Tell me about me.
Carter
19:29
It's us. We. You. Then it's them. And then it's the promise, the NDP promise that comes in. How does this work? You want a better health care system, one designed for you and your family, but Danielle Smith wants to privatize and commercialize your doctor's office. Rachel Notley's NDP are proposing the largest ever investment in primary health care. Frontline doctors, nurses, and other health professionals.
Carter
19:54
Because that is messaging.
Carter
20:00
is about Rachel. It's
Carter
20:03
Zane, did you find Rachel for me? I hope so. I hope you did.
SPEAKER_01
20:07
Thank you, Stephen. I appreciate you asking me here tonight to hear your winning strategy.
SPEAKER_01
20:12
As you know, you have always been my favorite strategist I
SPEAKER_01
20:22
appreciate you asking me here tonight to hear your winning strategy Rachel
SPEAKER_01
20:28
Rachel just the once was fine when I ask Albertans for their number one issue it is always health care Albertans
SPEAKER_01
20:34
Albertans especially those of us who are taking care of family members who are aging or have children are are demanding better health care options. And
SPEAKER_01
20:42
And I don't blame them.
SPEAKER_01
20:43
Danielle Smith has been clear. She favors American-style insurance privatization, where the strength of your health care service is tied to your wealth or your insurance package.
SPEAKER_01
20:53
Her proposal for private accounts to pay for primary care is one concrete example of her goals.
SPEAKER_01
21:01
My government would make the largest ever investment in primary care, making it easier to have your own doctor and access the care you need when you or your family need it this
SPEAKER_01
21:10
this election is so important make sure you are voting for the alberta ndp on may 29th you
Carter
21:18
you give rachel a microphone right
Carter
21:21
you just can't shut her up
Carter
21:24
i hope she's listening hi
Carter
21:27
we do have seats set aside for rachel and her entourage up there in the back they
Carter
21:31
they didn't use them the
Carter
21:33
the other thing they need to do is they need to do negative negative negatives they need to let me just read this for
Carter
21:38
for you they need to attack the end you see P they need to fucking destroy them on
Carter
21:45
on issues on performance on ethics why do they need to do that to keep the reluctant UCP voter home so the first set of communication is for the people who will be voting for the NDP the second set of communication is for people who don't want to vote for the UCP right
Carter
22:01
right two sets of communication it turns out that they're both required and that ladies and gentlemen is
Carter
22:08
is the winning strategy for the ndp
Corey
22:23
all of a sudden i'm seven feet tall let's move that then okay
Zain
22:30
I wasn't lying about
Corey
22:31
about the soapbox. Is that necessary?
Zain
22:33
It was really a soapbox he was standing on.
Corey
22:35
That is, in fact, the soapbox that he would not get off.
Corey
22:39
Hey, everybody, it's really great to see you. We all really enjoyed Stephen Carter's voter suppression and AI-based strategy, I'm sure.
Corey
22:49
called Rachel, she voiced that.
Carter
22:50
that. Yeah, okay, sure. It sounded human, right?
Carter
22:54
More human than Rachel.
Carter
22:56
No, I lost the audience right there.
Corey
23:00
All right, so let's talk about the UCP. We've just enjoyed a good four years of UCP government, and since good strategy comes from good analysis, I thought maybe we should start with a bit of a trip down memory lane.
Corey
23:12
So, of course, there was the post-GSA repeal fountain celebration, you know, when MLAs concluded the first session by repealing support for GSAs by playfully splashing in a fountain.
Corey
23:22
There was the time age payments were moved from the end of the month to the start of the month, which caused some chaos for the most vulnerable Albertans. There was the election commissioner who was investigating the UCP who was fired. There were coal mining on the eastern slopes. The government flirted with that. The curriculum draft that had first graders learning Bible
Corey
23:42
There was the $1.3 billion investment in KXL, which was a bet that Donald Trump would win the US election. the anti-energy campaign inquiry, the
Corey
23:51
the energy war room, shout out to the energy war room,
Corey
23:56
soaring electricity rates, soaring insurance rates. I know this is a strategy for the UCP, right? We'll get there. We'll get there. Park closures, tearing up the contract with doctors in a pandemic. Tyler Shandro fighting with doctors about the same. Casey Maddow calling a police chief about a ticket. Rules for thee, not for me, leading to drinks at the Sky Palace and vacation during lockdown, the premature declaration the pandemic was over, buying unapproved children's Tylenol at high prices that will likely never be recouped, an Alberta Sovereignty Act that at one point was even going to give Cabinet the powers to unilaterally rewrite laws, R-Star giveaway to companies for doing what they're already legally obliged to do, accusations
Corey
24:37
accusations of interference in the administration of justice, more accusations, some concerning comments by the Premier around her authorities and of course this says nothing about uh some recent comments the premier's made that have had to be walked back or disavowed the
Corey
24:50
the idea that cancer can be cured through good nutrition the unvaccinated are the most persecuted group in her lifetime health savings accounts are a great way to privatize health ukraine should give the donbass to russia and
Corey
25:01
and that she had We had indigenous ancestry.
Corey
25:12
We haven't even gone to the historical takes.
Corey
25:18
There was the idea that smoking, the anti-smoking lobby did more harm than good. School kids didn't need computers. You know what? Only so many slides a man can make. There was also the idea that you would feed tainted meat to the homeless as long as you cook it.
Corey
25:31
Bottom line, bottom line, probably don't run on your record.
Corey
25:43
Oh, what a setup, what
SPEAKER_04
25:45
what a setup, oh my, Jesus, come
Corey
25:47
So, let's ignore the past, let's stick to the present and the future.
Corey
25:53
And given everything I've just described, the present actually doesn't look that bad, does it, right? Here are the last eight polls in Alberta. Of course, we will treat as gospel the only one in which the UCP is leading, the Angus Reid one from last month, which has somewhat inexplicably the UCP up by seven. It is an outlier, but let's see what it tells us.
Corey
26:11
Well, actually, that's not great if you're up by seven in the poll. It says that Danielle Smith has strongly disapproval rating of 38, overall disapproval 49, net approval of minus three.
Corey
26:21
So maybe we should move on to the horse race numbers here. Stephen talked about them a bit. I'm
Corey
26:26
I'm not going to tell you anything different UCPs up rural NDPs up Edmonton Calgary split we always talk about needing to win two of three regions in Alberta Steven created like 80 more tonight but that's okay here's
Corey
26:38
here's the here's the simple version each team starts with one region right it all comes down to Calgary and let me illustrate that a little more that's validated by other polls if we look at the work of PJ Fournier who does 338 Canada. He aggregates polls, and he also does seat projections. And what he's seen is that of the 22 seats that are leaning or toss-up,
Corey
27:04
And by the way, that star next to Calgary North, if the UCP managed to get five of those 22 toss-ups, boom, that's the ballgame, right?
Corey
27:13
So let's make that a little more clear.
Corey
27:15
This is Calgary. This is the city you're in. Again, you are here.
Corey
27:20
This is where the election happens. This is the battleground. This is suburban Calgary. This election, these 14 ridings are everything. If the UCP wins a third of these, the UCP wins.
Corey
27:32
So first conclusion here, it's about persuadable voters in that suburban Calgary geography. The
Corey
27:38
The voters who are already with the UCP, we ignore. The voters who will never be with the UCP, we ignore. norm.
Corey
27:45
What do we know about those voters? What do we know about their issues? If I was an actual party strategist for the UCP, I would have polling on that, I assume.
Corey
27:53
But I don't. So we're going to approximate it by blending some of that Angus Reid data, that good Angus Reid data, together.
Corey
27:59
together. We're going to look at Calgary. We're going to blend in a little bit of rural, because we're talking about suburban Calgary. And then we're going to mix in the undecideds to get what we need and so these
Corey
28:13
are the most important issues to
Corey
28:17
to the only voters you care about if you're the UCP cost of living top issue of 76% of those people in the top three economy jobs 37% health care 36 note that economy jobs actually jumped into second place on this one so
Corey
28:31
so the voters top issues the issues on which which we'd better have some good answers, are affordability, jobs, economy, and healthcare. And oh, what's
Corey
28:39
what's this? Is this the current UCP website?
Corey
28:43
Is this a summary they have right at the top of their priorities? Cost of living, increased jobs, strengthened economy, improved healthcare?
Corey
28:50
It seems they have actually already figured this out. They've figured out what I've said so far, not providing them a lot of value for money if they were looking for that right now.
Corey
28:59
All of their homepage content is about these issues, plus a little standing up to Ottawa, because UCP got a UCP.
Corey
29:06
There is a real emphasis on jobs and economy there too. So let's dig a little bit deeper here. Yes, those are those issues, but some of them actually feel like weak ground for the UCP, right? Even
Corey
29:16
Stephen Carter would agree, right?
Corey
29:18
right? The slowest horse.
Carter
29:23
You're right now giving a strategy that the UCP themselves thought of. What
Corey
29:31
should the What did the UCP put in the window, huh?
Corey
29:35
Well, an excellent abacus poll from December, which Steven already talked about, identified that the UCP was more trusted on the economy, NDP more on healthcare, and
Corey
29:43
and a bit of a wash on cost of living. Not new content. He said it. I'm pretty sure you weren't paying attention though, so I thought I would say it again.
Corey
29:51
That really tells us the focus is proactively communicating the economy, but having answers for healthcare.
Corey
29:57
What do we mean by that? that?
Corey
29:59
Whenever the NDP's ground comes up, whether it's healthcare or anything else, we bridge back to a strength. Every
Corey
30:05
Every problem goes back to the NDP and Justin Trudeau, deeply unpopular in Alberta. Every solution bridges back to the economy, which
Corey
30:14
which is the UCP's box. So just look at these two conspiring to weaken our province, right?
Corey
30:21
Justin Trudeau, Rachel Notley, for those listening at at home.
Corey
30:25
Here's how it goes.
Corey
30:27
Everything you didn't like, we had to do because of the NDP-Trudeau alliance. And do you really want to risk the NDP being reelected and us having to do all those bad things again?
Corey
30:36
You got to think about that.
Corey
30:39
You've got a problem that spending was cut on social programs? Well, I'm sorry, the NDP tanked the economy. You've got a problem with the Alberta Sovereignty Act? Well, I'm sorry, but that NDP-Trudeau alliance surrendered our economy to to Ottawa and Ottawa's fever dreams.
Corey
30:52
But hey, don't worry about it. Daniel Smith fixed the mess, and happy times are here again.
Corey
30:59
Healthcare fixed, education fixed, jobs fixed. How did we fix it? Through our great work on the economy, the prerequisite to world-class services.
Corey
31:11
so all that's really missing is a story.
Corey
31:17
It's morning again in Alberta.
Corey
31:27
today we woke up in a province that has returned to conservative roots that made us such a success story,
Corey
31:32
practical, community focused, sensible, free, a
Corey
31:37
people of small government and big ambitions that
Corey
31:40
that are taking center stage again, creating
Corey
31:42
creating prosperity, prosperity that fuels the best, most compassionate social programs in the country. Now, hold
Corey
31:49
hold your booze. We've been through a dark night.
Corey
31:53
We lost our way for a while, and NDP government did their best to tear down everything that had lifted Alberta up. But, under
Corey
32:01
under Danielle Smith's leadership, jobs
Corey
32:04
More people working than ever before in Calgary. Today, a man in Calgary will start an oil and gas business that will give five other Albertans good mortgage-paying jobs. jobs.
Corey
32:15
Health care is improving. A woman in Chestermere will get the surgery she needs to play with her kids again.
Corey
32:20
And Albertans are being shielded from rampant inflation that an NDP-liberal coalition has put on us. Direct cash to seniors and vulnerable Albertans, lower
Corey
32:28
lower income taxes, natural gas and electricity rebates, help with fuel prices. In
Corey
32:32
In fact, we are now making record investments in education and social supports thanks to the prosperity and
Corey
32:40
And here's who you have to thank for that. It was generated by by Daniel Smith and the UCP.
Corey
32:44
So it's morning again.
Corey
32:46
And it will stay morning in Alberta as long as we can keep Trudeau out of our backyard and the NDP out of our kitchen.
Corey
32:59
As for all that other stuff, you know that record we were talking about?
Corey
33:06
Forget about it, you already did. That was five minutes ago, you all forgot about it.
Corey
33:12
Okay. So, we've got a message. We've got a story. We know where we're targeted. Let's talk about the biggest risk to the plan, what we in Alberta like to call bozo eruptions.
Corey
33:23
But for a bozo eruption or two in 2012, Danielle Smith might have been premier a decade ahead of schedule. The election that Stephen and I both were running in, that was fun.
Corey
33:32
She led for most of that election, though. She led for most of it. I had lunch with Stephen, by the way, and I've never seen him look worse in my life he
Corey
33:41
thought he was gonna be the guy who brought down the PC dynasty wasn't you Steven you got you got out of there it's okay we've
Corey
33:47
we've actually seen a bozo eruption seriously though in this last week this was the candidate from Lethbridge West I'm not gonna give more air time to her views it's
Corey
33:56
it's time for the local strategy candidates need to say nothing
Corey
34:08
produce nothing and be nowhere produce no campaign literature of their own be nowhere they might end up in a hot mic situation we can't allow the distraction they will use central literature central comms and just mechanically knock doors avoiding all controversy on said doors someone wants to engage you in a conversation that's a real interesting thing here's somebody else to talk to you about it i got to go on to the next door
Corey
34:32
entire campaign everywhere everywhere everywhere every riding every little rural riding every little hamlet is tailored towards suburban calgary nothing will bleed into calgary that isn't going to resonate with calgary we don't want anything or anyone official speaking to any other audience or any other message we need to win five seats so
Corey
34:54
so you don't screw it up Now,
Corey
34:57
will the internal and UCP community like this? They will not. They will hate it. They will hate being told what to do, but here's the good news if you're the UCP strategist, they hate the NDP more.
Corey
35:09
So, tell them about the Trudeau, Notley, Singh, Soros third international conspiracy to take
Corey
35:16
take things out of context and
Corey
35:18
they'll shut up. They'll do it, right? And
Corey
35:21
And sure, send your winking proxies everywhere. Proxies are easy to disavow, but candidates can't blow it. Candidates need to play error-free ball to win. And playing error-free ball will upset the tall foreheads and the NDP who will pout and say, oh, I don't like Rachel Notley's calm strategy, so I'm gonna stay home and eat Cheetos instead of being in the fucking election.
Corey
35:41
So they're gonna do this.
Corey
35:43
And if something might distract them from that message, if this is the last and most foundational strategy I tell you, it is that the UCP need to set the agenda.
Corey
35:51
They do not let themselves be taken away from their story. If something risks taking them off the agenda, deny,
Corey
35:58
deflect, distract, and if necessary, drop. It's the 4D strategy for candidate management.
Corey
36:07
You're not interpreting me correctly. I spoke imprecisely. There's no problem here.
Corey
36:13
Deflect. Blame the NDP and liberals. Our hard decisions were the result of their bad decisions. Distract. Just throw a dead fucking cat on the table.
Corey
36:23
say something harmlessly crazy and
Corey
36:28
then finally drop last resort lose the candidate do it quick and do it ruthlessly use it as an example to show your moderation and
Corey
36:36
and that's it this is the optimal UCP strategy it's morning again in Alberta I
Corey
36:41
I do hope you enjoy four more years of conservative rule because Steven didn't give you shit.
SPEAKER_00
36:58
give it up for our first segment, Battle of the Strategists.
Carter
37:03
He went long, too. Carter
SPEAKER_00
37:06
I had strict instructions to keep us on time, and then that was just thrown out the window. So we're going to be here all night, guys. It's going to be good. They're going to get their money's worth.
SPEAKER_00
37:15
Before we get into our next segment curveballs. Do you just have like a rapid spot response lightning round? This
Carter
37:21
This was really good Okay,
SPEAKER_00
37:22
Okay, this was good
Carter
37:24
This was okay Okay,
Corey
37:26
listen like I think that they the parties have different challenges, right? I think this is something to underline I I do actually agree with Stephen that one of the challenges the NDP has is conversion It's actually making it real on the ground in a way that reinforces their air war if you're the UCP that's not your problem your problem is you can't let anything pollute your air war right so you've got to focus up you've got to keep it on the issues that matter to those suburban calgary voters because they'll get scared you know if an issue comes up that really causes them to question daniel smith's judgment in the middle of the election let's be really clear the 2012 example
Corey
38:01
quite relevant had danielle smith in it right she could lose the election for the ucp like that she was leading three or four weeks in that 2012 election I'm
Carter
38:13
but what I liked about the two presentations is that they each targeted the weaknesses of the organization that we were actually talking about right the NDP's weaknesses are different than the UCP's weaknesses therefore the strategy has to be different so
Carter
38:27
so the strategies were different good
SPEAKER_00
38:29
good job to both of you moving on to our next segment curveball curveballs
SPEAKER_00
38:33
curveballs we don't we don't have all night carter
SPEAKER_00
38:36
this is how it's gonna work i'm gonna throw a scenario at you uh
SPEAKER_00
38:40
uh and you're gonna tell me what you would do if it's the election this is happening what would you do how would you respond we're gonna keep it tight so i'm still the ndp
SPEAKER_00
38:48
you're still yes of course
Carter
38:49
course maybe the curveball was we switched i mean you
SPEAKER_00
38:54
you were the end it is not a curveball
Corey
38:56
curveball for stephen carter's Let's switch political parties, let's just clear it up.
SPEAKER_00
39:01
Okay, so, so that we're all on the same page, Stephen Carter is running the NDP strategy. Corey Hogan is running the UCP strategy.
SPEAKER_00
39:11
One week has passed. Three weeks to election day. Nice.
SPEAKER_00
39:15
Two-star, big news, two-star NDP candidates in Calgary, where
SPEAKER_00
39:21
where you need to win. Okay.
SPEAKER_00
39:22
They've been arrested for impaired driving.
SPEAKER_00
39:26
there was a campaign event downtown everyone was there media was there police
SPEAKER_00
39:31
police hanging out a couple blocks away to NDP candidates stars
SPEAKER_00
39:36
star candidates I'm not gonna name names I
Carter
39:39
I think it's Joe and Drew.
SPEAKER_00
39:42
I'm not going to name names.
SPEAKER_00
39:45
Steven Carter. I see what you're
Carter
39:47
you're doing. I shouldn't have named names. It didn't actually
SPEAKER_00
39:50
It didn't actually happen. Steven
SPEAKER_00
39:52
Steven Carter, this is a curveball. It's a scenario. It's
SPEAKER_00
39:55
It's a hypothetical. How does this change your strategy? Drop them.
Carter
40:00
Drop them immediately. Do not, to Corey's point, right?
Carter
40:05
Sure, it's known that the UCP can't afford to a a bozo eruption that's just known everybody understands that that's how they lost in
Carter
40:12
in 2012 but the ndp can't either because
Carter
40:16
because the ndp right now is rachel notley and
Carter
40:21
upstaged by two candidates
Carter
40:23
candidates that don't know not to drink and drive period let alone in an election period um
Carter
40:29
they need to they need to be gone you
SPEAKER_00
40:31
you drop them and then you
Carter
40:32
you drop even if you're going to lose those seats you You dropped those candidates.
Carter
40:37
They're gone. Now you've got to win two more seats somewhere else, because if
Carter
40:40
if you don't drop them immediately,
Carter
40:43
you will look like Danielle Smith in 2012. You can't look like Danielle, number
Carter
40:46
number one, and number two, you have to be the party of right and wrong,
Carter
40:50
because we can't count on the UCP to know right from wrong.
SPEAKER_00
40:53
Corey Hogan, does this change anything in your strategy?
Corey
40:56
I mean, if I was the UCP campaign manager, I wouldn't touch it with a 20-foot-and-a-half pole. Okay.
SPEAKER_00
41:02
Okay. Let's leave it there.
Corey
41:03
there. No, he's got to tell them why. It's important. Because that doesn't make any sense. Because have you met UCP
Corey
41:08
UCP candidates? No, I'm serious, though.
Corey
41:11
You have plenty of strategy.
Corey
41:13
Scott Moe in Saskatchewan, not UCP, obviously, but obviously there's some drunk driving charges there. The fact is, if you're going to have rural candidates where there's a different view of drink driving, you've got to consider that there may be a few skeletons in your team's closet. And the minute you go hard and
Corey
41:29
and it comes back to you, what you've done is you've owned gold. because what he's doing is he's self imploding he's losing valuable days even if he does his strategy and
Corey
41:38
and the NDP need those days because they need to play relatively error-free ball themselves they've got to get three-quarters of those Calgary seats not the one quarter that the UCP is out okay
SPEAKER_00
41:49
good smart good answer two weeks to the election of a
Carter
41:52
a drunk He's a strong driver, though.
SPEAKER_00
41:54
Loves it. Loves it. Two weeks to election day. Surprise.
SPEAKER_00
42:00
CBC has a big scoop.
SPEAKER_00
42:06
Meg has a Leaf One Shield. They're at it again. Breaking news story. They've got a video.
SPEAKER_00
42:13
It's two hours long.
SPEAKER_00
42:15
And it's a dinner. It's a dinner between Artur Pawlowski, Daniel
SPEAKER_00
42:20
Daniel Smith, and two Crown Prosecutors.
SPEAKER_00
42:25
video! Two hours! It's not an AI video. It's like CBC has, their lawyers have okayed it. Oh no, CBC called
SPEAKER_00
42:33
-AI, sure, okay. It's legit. Two hour, whole video, Artur filmed it, Crown Prosecutors, Daniel Smith, Corey Hogan. What do you do? How does that change your strategy? You can't
Corey
42:43
can't drop the leader, so I guess we're just going to deny, deflect, and distract. It's not real. You saw what he did with AI a minute ago. Not real. The Luddites at the CBC, they don't know. I mean, it's just like this is the world we live in. It's very alarming that people can do that about a candidate. That's why we're going to introduce legislation to get rid of these fake videos. Plus
Carter
43:02
Plus it proves that she didn't make the phone calls.
Carter
43:06
she didn't make a phone call. She
Corey
43:07
She didn't make the
Corey
43:08
phone calls. It was dinner. No. She's
Corey
43:10
never been live. That's not the
Corey
43:13
Then you move on to the next thing.
Corey
43:15
You know, the idea that she's talked to Artur Polowski, not news. Already said that she was imprecise with language around conversation with prosecutors. Next question. By the way, the only reason we're in this mess to begin with is because of the lockdown politics brought to us by Justin Trudeau and Rachel Notley.
Corey
43:32
Right? I mean, let's really get to the root of it here, people.
Corey
43:35
It's about the pandemic politics of the socialists. Okay? Everything else is just beyond. He's good.
SPEAKER_00
43:40
This is good. You'd
Carter
43:42
You'd almost think that he makes a living doing this.
SPEAKER_00
43:44
Yeah, you might think. Stephen Carter, what about your strategy? What did the NDP do? I
Carter
43:48
I mean, they grab it and they run with it. They prove that she can't be trusted. She cannot be trusted. It's not just that she had the meeting. It's that she's lied about it. She's lied about this. She's lied about everything that has happened since she took office. And the lying will continue if
Carter
44:06
if she's elected. I had no
Corey
44:07
no idea they were Crown prosecutors. I thought they were the Deputy Minister.
SPEAKER_00
44:12
Okay, I've got another one for you. It's that... That was
Carter
44:15
was actually really good, too. Yeah,
SPEAKER_00
44:18
One week till election day. News in Alberta never stops. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has a big announcement, guys. He's stepping down.
SPEAKER_00
44:28
He's stepping down. He's going to spend... Oh, is he going to be a candidate for Rachel Notley? He's going to spend more time... No.
SPEAKER_00
44:34
He's going to spend more time with his family.
SPEAKER_00
44:37
But that's not all.
SPEAKER_00
44:38
Chrystia Freeland, she's the new prime minister. she's tripling the carbon tax go Stephen Carter what do you do yeah
Carter
44:46
yeah I was friends with Justin Trudeau but fuck this Christian feeling I
Corey
44:55
mean it's a good thing we have the Alberta Sovereignty Act so we'll just use it somehow last
SPEAKER_00
45:02
last scenario this is the last one this is a good one it's a doozy Are we still on scenarios? Yeah, last one. This is the last one. You're making me sweat down here.
SPEAKER_00
45:11
Rachel Nolley, she's had enough. She's done. She fires Stephen Carter.
SPEAKER_00
45:18
We don't know. Wait,
Corey
45:19
Wait, this is in the last week? Yeah,
SPEAKER_00
45:20
Yeah, last week. Congratulations, man.
Corey
45:22
man. He lasted three weeks.
SPEAKER_00
45:23
He lasted three weeks. We don't know the details of what he did to get fired. We do know he's got a really nice severance.
SPEAKER_00
45:36
Rachel Nolley, there's a week left, she needs someone, she needs a good strategist, she talks around, she
SPEAKER_00
45:43
she hears, Corey, she makes you an offer, you can't refuse. So, Corey Hogan, just to clarify, you're running the NDP strategy. Oh, so we switched.
SPEAKER_00
45:51
Well, no, Stephen Carter has no job, he's got a nice severance, but, but just wait, Just wait. He
SPEAKER_00
45:57
He goes and knocks on his friend, Daniel Smith, old friend, old buddy, Daniel Smith's door,
SPEAKER_00
46:03
like, look, there's a week left. You need to win. I need to win.
SPEAKER_00
46:07
Let's do this. So how
SPEAKER_00
46:09
how do you guys bring things home for your new team? You're doing UCP strategy. You're doing NDP strategy. Well,
Corey
46:16
Well, first of all, I definitely take advantage of the lapse in judgment Danielle Smith had hiring Stephen Carter.
Corey
46:24
These are my friends down here.
Corey
46:28
When you think about that, taking
Corey
46:30
taking Stephen's strategy and running with it, what I would do, what I would probably change about Stephen's strategy is I think that what the NDP really needs, what's always been a little missing for me, is kind of that enthusiasm for kind of a future state of Alberta that's optimistic. optimistic. My personal bias, my personal belief, if it had gone a different way and I was building the NDP strategy, I would say what the NDP needs is to really make Albertans excited about what an NDP future looks like, like an optimism about that.
Corey
46:59
My concern with your strategy is it's very negative, right?
Corey
47:03
And that's a place the NDPs, they're comfortable in opposition, but if you want to cast yourself forward, I
Corey
47:09
I think I would bring more positivity and I would be talking about that future state now i
Corey
47:13
don't want to be misunderstood in this room the
Corey
47:15
the ndp have it in them and they would probably do it stephen carter didn't do it okay carter
SPEAKER_00
47:21
carter you don't need to respond to that you're now running a new strategy ucp strategy how do you bring it home final final few days well
Carter
47:29
well i think that the
Carter
47:30
the big challenge is the is the running away from media like corey's point of no debates no conversations like that's all bang on but
Carter
47:38
but at some point it's going to be really difficult to just
Carter
47:43
just make it all about Danielle especially in the last week so I'd make sure that we identified additional people that could be spokespeople that aren't Rob Anderson that aren't Danielle Smith that aren't associated with that Stephen Harper did that back and they actually wound up being a spokesperson for Stephen Harper's Conservative Party at one point which is ludicrous but apparently I changed parties but the
Carter
48:07
the reason was that that they needed that old PC right they needed the moderate to point to and say this is a moderate he'll be fine you know don't worry Steve you know Stephen Carter's there he says that Stephen Harper is not a lunatic we need to find some of those people now the trick is finding them because
Carter
48:24
because they all retired the good news is that Raj and Sonny's back so we have that going we're
SPEAKER_00
48:30
we're gonna leave that segment there and move on to our next segment Vox Populi and we're Zane take it away.
Zain
48:37
What's up? Okay, I'm voice of God at the back and I only have a little bit of time I'm getting a lot of texts Mainly about three topics topic number one. Why are you guys sitting so close up to the end of the couch together? It's weird number two
Zain
48:51
Carter your Excel skills need improvement Corey. Was that the balloon from it? Three major themes I'm getting I've got a bunch of questions for you. Let me start here what people are saying guys Guys, first question, Stephen Carter, how does the Alberta NDP get respected for its economic policy, especially in Calgary? I'll ask both of you that question, actually. Probably
Carter
49:12
Probably the same way that I get respect for my longevity in employment.
Carter
49:25
The NDP always wanna fight this. They always wanna say things like, well, the economy took us there. You cannot change someone's beliefs. you can't change someone who believes that X is X and Y is Y or right you do and it takes too much time and energy we're now within eight weeks of this election actually occurring we're not going to change people's fundamental belief we have today instead change what they think is important and
Carter
49:47
and what they think is important is way easier to change and way easier to get them to vote for us that's why we're doing the negative strategy to keep the reluctant UCP voter home and the positive strategy to incent the the the Alberta party and and the NDP, and whatever liberals are left, maybe you, to go out and actually vote for the NDP. That's the next, that's all there is. You cannot convince someone that
Carter
50:16
that you're not something else. Like it's just, it's impossible if you've ever dated, and I don't suspect many of you have.
Carter
50:24
There is no point in trying to change people's minds about you. If they've decided you're the worst person in the world, you're not it's not going to be a successful relationship Corey
Zain
50:32
Corey same question quickly for you yeah
Corey
50:34
yeah well Steven's exactly right just as I talked about for the UCP health care is something to deal with reactively like you've got to have strong tight answers that you can throw out very quickly in any situation you need to be able to find a way to bridge back to ground on which you are stronger and for the NDP that's health care that's social programs more generally that's education those are the issues you want to be talking about. And if you spend your time trying to convince people, no, no, no, we're the economy people. Like I get the impulse, especially when you see how high it is there. But you know what else was really high? Healthcare. And you know what was a draw? Affordability. And so you have the winning ingredients there. You've got to talk about the things that naturally lend people to think of you as the answer, not things that naturally lend people to think of the opposition is the answer Carter
Zain
51:19
Carter this one's for you Danielle
Zain
51:21
Danielle Smith UCP reluctant voter this is the one that wants to stay at home the one that you need to stay at home what is the message get specific how do you keep these folks at home is it all about Danielle is it more than that well
Carter
51:35
well I think it has to be more than just Danielle because Danielle can point to you know probably a two-thirds of the slides that Corey put up at the beginning of his fantastic presentation about why to vote for the end at UCP the first you know 40 slides of that you know Danielle can disavow two-thirds of that so she you need to make it about the UCP in general the value set that they represent you know it's bigger than just Danielle Smith it's take back Alberta Albertans are already learning about take back Alberta I'll tell you something if you're running a pack and you're more you know as well known as the party you're not doing a very good job on your pack. So you have to try and get in there and equate Danielle Smith as just the latest in a series of bad decisions that are being made by the UCP. There's still Jason Kenney people. There's still Art Pawlowski people. All the people who are bad are in the UCP, except
Zain
52:33
Corey, I'm going to ask you a question quickly, but I'm going to ask you a question that just came in why not run at the entire Alberta NDP strategy on UCP incompetence well
Corey
52:42
well the challenge is if you do that and people don't buy it you haven't left them anything else you've given them a great reason not to vote UCP you haven't given them a great reason to vote NDP and so a voter turnout cuts both ways right you've got to have considerations as to what might make your opponents more or less enthusiastic to vote but you've also got to have consideration for what make what your supporters more or less likely to to vote and when you look at the big dramatic change elections 2008 Barack Obama 2015 Justin Trudeau do you know what you see you see voters who don't usually vote showing up because they are motivated they are excited and they want to be there for you and it doesn't just show up in the voter turnout it shows up in that that enthusiasm bleeding out onto the doors bleeding out into conversations in the community you've got to motivate your team you can't just scare them. You've got to do both, but you've got to motivate your team.
Zain
53:35
Corey, I'm going to start with you on this one.
Zain
53:37
Calgary, you talked about its focus. Carter, you talked about Calgary's focus. At what point does focus become pandering, and is pandering okay? I'm kind of paraphrasing a question here where someone says, should we have a Calgary-specific platform? Should these parties go deeper than that? They asked this question at West of Center. They didn't get the answer they wanted. They've turned here. They're paying their $35. It's
Carter
53:57
It's a high price to pay, but thank
Zain
53:59
thank you for paying it sir to
Zain
54:00
to you guys Calgary
Corey
54:03
yeah look I don't know why we're running the election in 50 of the writings it's already done but it's it's not pandering it's practical politics how's that for alliteration it's
Corey
54:12
it's always been the case that swing writings get things which is by the way why Alberta would probably benefit from being a bit more swing in a federal context because if you're if you're in the tank for one side you don't get the things now Now, Calgary is now a battleground, and Calgary is going to swing that weight around. And in reality, like you call it pandering, but you know what that is? That's an accusation people from the outside throw. Their votes aren't up for grabs. They are gonna vote NDP, or they are gonna vote UCP. So fuck them.
Zain
54:43
Carter, do you wanna add to, I'm just gonna look at it here. So fuck them. Do you wanna add to that?
Carter
54:50
Cory took the words right out of my mouth.
Zain
54:55
I'm going to go with one final question here and I want to talk about the element of people Corey, you've talked about a lot of unsavory individuals lining up perhaps on one side of the political spectrum, the one that you were writing the strategy for, now we have two people leaving, okay yeah that's great, Corey you wrote the strategy for the UCP, a lot of unsavory characters on that side, the question here is really an interesting one how do you get people to care about unsavory individuals or people that they just don't like or that are quote-unquote good humans how do you make that something that's a political sword rather than something that you're not able to attack well
Corey
55:34
well look I don't want to be misunderstood as thinking that one side is rife with unsavory characters most people who enter politics do it for the right reasons do I agree with them I don't think I agree with most people in most political parties frankly a little too robotic for my taste but if
Corey
55:51
you if you're worried about that and I think you've got to look in the mirror and ask yourself what you're involved with those people right
Corey
55:59
look in the mirror
Carter
56:02
that's that's never gone wrong the
Carter
56:08
problem is that half the voters don't think they're unsavory
Corey
56:13
half think they're all unsavory.
Carter
56:14
unsavory. Yeah, so both sides, right? The
Carter
56:17
right will point to Drew Farrell and
Carter
56:20
say that she's unsavory. Look what she did as a counselor. The left will point to her and say, she's
Carter
56:24
she's fantastic. Look what she did as a counselor.
Carter
56:26
Everything is going through the prism of how you view things, so don't
Carter
56:30
If you find bozo eruptions, put the bozo eruptions out. But the truth of the matter is, it takes a long time to get a bozo. it's hard to get bozo eruptions to work so just do the work it's
Carter
56:43
it's about danielle smith and rachel notley that's
Carter
56:47
period the candidates are almost going to be non-existent annalise
Zain
56:50
annalise i'm going to throw it over to you before i do that um for those that are here as a guest of someone and have never listened to the podcast uh can you just give me uh by a round of applause how you're feeling about this that's
Zain
57:00
that's that sounds right yeah that sounds about right um yeah that's good that's good i hope you got what you bargained for uh annalise back to you i mean i mean in our case we've got We've got patrons paying to listen to us monthly and showing up to the show. So we've got a whole little R-Star going on ourselves. Annalise, back
SPEAKER_00
57:19
We're going to move into our last segment before intermission, the votes. Who is the better strategist? We
SPEAKER_00
57:26
need the audience. I can't supersede them. I think we're going to do this by applause. applause.
SPEAKER_00
57:33
So just to clarify, we're going to vote for Stephen Carter with the NDP strategy despite that last minute switcheroo. So Stephen Carter's NDP strategy,
SPEAKER_00
57:44
Corey Hogan's UCP strategy. Let's just start with a round of applause. Who thinks that Stephen Carter had the best strategy scattered
SPEAKER_00
58:00
applause who thinks Cory Hogan had the best strategy I
SPEAKER_00
58:10
what you heard but that sounded a little too close to call and
SPEAKER_00
58:16
and and you said you both said multiple times on the pod that it's women that are gonna decide yeah right that's true so uh let's let's do the same thing but dudes like sit this one out this is just we just need the women in the audience uh so if if you're a lady same thing do you think stephen carter's ndp strategy was that the better strategy okay
SPEAKER_00
58:39
okay okay how about Let's talk about Corey Hogan's UCP strategy.
SPEAKER_04
58:47
I'll tell you something. It's going to be a close election.
SPEAKER_00
58:51
That still sounds close, so let's just drill in. One last vote. You said suburban, suburban women. And I believe it was a certain age range. 35 plus.
SPEAKER_00
59:03
Is there a top limit there? We don't
Carter
59:07
don't like to talk about top limits. Okay.
SPEAKER_00
59:10
So if you are in the audience and you live in the suburbs of Calgary and
SPEAKER_00
59:16
and you're over the age of 35, your
SPEAKER_00
59:19
your vote matters right now.
Carter
59:22
There's like one person. I can
SPEAKER_00
59:25
Let's hear it. Do you think Stephen Carter, NDP had the best strategy?
SPEAKER_00
59:31
There's a few. There are a few suburban women over the age of 35 in this audience. audience.
SPEAKER_00
59:36
What about Corey Hogan's UCP strategy?
Carter
59:41
Okay, but there was a woo there, so I think I won. But I think I crushed it.
SPEAKER_00
59:44
Let's do that one more time, nice and loud so we can hear, so that it's clear who won, so these guys aren't bickering for the rest of time about it. I mean, we will anyways. We will anyways. Steven Carter, NDP strategy, give it up.
SPEAKER_00
1:00:00
Corey Hogan's UCP strategy? strategy?
Corey
1:00:04
think I lost votes. I
SPEAKER_00
1:00:05
I think Steven Carter won. Steven Carter, that was clear. You
Carter
1:00:09
You know what? Let's fucking try something new. I
Carter
1:00:14
Who thinks it's Annalise that's the best host?
Carter
1:00:19
Who thinks it's that fucker Zane Belge? No
SPEAKER_00
1:00:24
I think you won. Okay, guys, we're going to leave it there. That's a wrap on episode 1047 of The Strategist. I'm your host, Annalise Klingbeil. Where's our music? It's
Corey
1:00:33
It's not here. I told you it was here.
SPEAKER_00
1:00:35
I'm your host, Annalise Klingbeil. With you, as always, Stephen Carter, Corey Hogan. 20-minute intermission. We will see you back in 20 minutes.