Transcript
Carter
0:00
Though, seriously, before you start, can you just tell me how it actually starts again?
Corey
0:05
You are... Because there's
Carter
0:07
there's a countdown on the other software, right?
Corey
0:09
Yeah, we're using this software. Is this the one
Carter
0:10
one that doesn't have the countdown?
Corey
0:13
Also, we don't have the soundboard here.
Corey
0:15
If we did, you would hear that the music is already playing. The episode has started.
Corey
0:21
And you're being the host today.
Carter
0:23
I'm the host today?
Corey
0:28
this is the strategists no
Carter
0:30
no but what episode
Carter
0:32
me a second i know what i'm doing just tell me the episode number the
Corey
0:36
the episode you see the software that we're in right now you see the top left corner of that software oh 10
Carter
0:44
welcome to episode 10 27 that's
Corey
0:46
that's not that's not how he does it well
Carter
0:48
well he's not fucking here is he if
Carter
0:52
he was here he could do it the way he does it i do it the way hey
Corey
0:57
you sound like a carnival barker you're like asking me to put the
Corey
1:01
top i did already it was right at the start you just couldn't hear it because we hey
Carter
1:05
hey welcome to episode 1027 of the strategists uh today you get a special episode of hogan and carter um because frankly we don't know because because we don't know zane's
Corey
1:21
zane's been and out of communication for like a week at this point i'll
Carter
1:26
i'll be honest with you i thought that the thursday night thing that we did last week would have you know spurred him to spurred
Corey
1:31
spurred him back yeah because
Carter
1:32
because we were clearly looking for a new host
Corey
1:38
we we floated roger goodell i mean that
Carter
1:41
that was a clear choice that we could have made marjorie taylor green could have joined us uh yeah
Carter
1:47
president of the united states former president trump do you
Corey
1:49
you want to know one of my problems with joe biden whenever i say joseph biden and i'm going to say like his full name i want to say joseph gordon biden like joseph gordon levitt oh
Corey
1:59
that's that's not his middle name you
Carter
2:01
you know who'd be a good president joseph
Corey
2:03
joseph gordon levitt he'd
Corey
2:05
a great president yeah
Corey
2:06
do you see him in um third rock from the sun he
Carter
2:09
he was excellent in third rock from the sun actually the best actor on third rock from the the sun is
Corey
2:16
is this one of these episodes or is it a different episode what are we doing how was your listen how was your afl predictions are they playing is that a thing they don't play until
Carter
2:28
we're in the off
Corey
2:28
off season right now it's summer it's
Carter
2:30
it's really hot so they don't play sports although
Carter
2:34
make the women play which seems weird but it
Corey
2:36
it sounds a little misogynistic i would expect it better from australia yeah
Carter
2:40
yeah well do we really though from the
Carter
2:42
the place that calls women sheilas do we really expect better i don't expect i
Corey
2:47
i don't know why they're called sheilas and i don't want you to explain it to me because now i'm worried i don't know i've been to
Carter
2:53
didn't refer to them as sheilas because i you know was afraid uh the whole time i was there everything is bigger in australia yeah
Corey
3:01
yeah even even the social anxiety apparently yeah
Carter
3:04
yeah for sure for sure it is yeah
Corey
3:06
you did say you were going to be host today though because
Corey
3:10
because zane is apparently i was gonna ask questions today
Corey
3:14
oh so should we i mean
Corey
3:16
mean i guess you're right zane doesn't really ask questions if he's no i'm gonna ask questions it's totally different
Corey
3:22
totally that's fair point okay
Carter
3:23
okay so let's set this up danielle smith uh premier of the province of alberta where we reside had an ask me anything uh uh
Carter
3:32
uh press conference today so
Corey
3:34
so this you're making it an ask me anything of us you're doing a zane velgey bit style right so we're
Carter
3:38
we're going to do we're going to we're going to build on that and we're going to i'm going to ask you anything i feel like oh
Corey
3:44
oh that's great yeah
Carter
3:46
so the first thing i'm going to ask you is
Corey
3:48
is just to be clear this is not like truth or dare you know like i can do
Carter
3:53
you know what happened to zane and
Corey
3:57
nothing you know because i'll
Carter
3:59
i'll be honest the lack of communication is starting to bother me it's
Corey
4:03
it's irritating me he's often been out of communication do you
Carter
4:06
you remember remember when we said on on sunday night maybe should we record and we didn't hear from him so we said let's try on monday no
Carter
4:13
no response and he
Corey
4:14
he said there's like a picture of him hanging out with some dude but no response no
Carter
4:20
hopeless i might add freaked
Carter
4:21
freaked me right out i'm
Corey
4:25
like where is he i think they both were very weird but anyways we're
Corey
4:29
we're gonna move right past that yeah we're
Carter
4:30
we're not going to explain that anyways
Carter
4:32
anyways it was a it was a day and
Carter
4:35
and uh here we are today let down again because
Carter
4:37
because i thought he was joining us today i
Corey
4:40
i didn't i didn't for all sorts of reasons so ask me anything i'm
Carter
4:45
i'm going to ask you some questions i'm
Corey
4:47
i'm going to ask
Carter
4:47
ask you some questions first question for the cory hogan good
Carter
4:51
good what do the words just transition transition mean to you oh
Corey
4:59
so for the benefit of the rest of the country who i hope that god has not been pulled into this madness we've
Corey
5:06
we've decided the latest five alarm fire in alberta is that we really are upset about the notion of a just transition so you asked me what it means to me yep not a lot right um but if you're going to get down to it the idea of a a just transition comes from 2015, Paris Accords, talking about if there is going to be action taken on climate change, there needs to be corresponding social action to make sure workers are not left behind. The transition needs to be just, right? Seems actually like a fairly unobjectionable idea. So
Carter
5:39
So your understanding of it is, if we lose jobs in one industry, we hope to be able to to justly transition people from that industry into new, well-paying jobs. Do
Corey
5:50
Do you know, I'm not even necessarily sure I would describe it as jobs for jobs. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, it's that there needs to be a soft landing if there needs to be action that's going to have a negative effect on jobs. So the liberals took this language up.
Carter
6:03
Yeah, so this language does
Corey
6:04
does not mean... This is the start.
Corey
6:07
The start of my thing.
Carter
6:09
Okay, please continue, sir. I
Carter
6:11
did not mean to interrupt you.
Corey
6:13
Well, let me tell you this. then the liberals did did say there was a need to move forward with a like a just transition in
Corey
6:21
2019 in their 2019 election platform so to be clear not the most recent election the election before where they decided then they needed to go get a mandate despite clearly not being done the stuff from 2019 which they're not doing now so maybe we'll get back to that i
Corey
6:35
i would hate for anybody to think fundamentally what i'm doing is defending the federal liberal government but
Carter
6:40
but i was I was thinking you were, so thank
Corey
6:42
thank you for clarifying. You
Corey
6:43
You were getting concerned,
Corey
6:46
minister has said we're going to move forward with this just transition activity.
Corey
6:53
That is how it was described on the 2019 Liberal platform. But Wilkinson has even said himself that's not his preferred language anymore. He doesn't like that as much. He wants to talk about sustainable jobs.
Corey
7:05
And yet somehow in the province of Alberta, we've decided to just rhetorically burn everything to the ground because there's a suggestion that legislation will be brought in that will create
Corey
7:16
create a soft landing on any climate activity.
Carter
7:19
Well, no, I mean, it's actually the language.
Carter
7:22
Legislation will be brought in to create a just transition. Yeah,
Corey
7:25
Yeah, but that comes from the platform. Like the liberals have even said that's not necessarily their language anymore. more but
Carter
7:31
but but the expectation is any change will ultimately destroy jobs in the oil and gas industry as though no one's been following along the actual number of jobs in the oil and gas industry in alberta it's it's as though people haven't actually looked at the statistics because the number of jobs in the in oil and gas has remained relatively constant regardless of the number of you know the the peaks and spikes in oil and gas pricing so i'm i'm confused as to what it means. And also, Danielle Smith uses the words just transition, and she applies it to the coal industry, as though, again, the federal government shut down the coal industry worldwide. Is that your understanding? Is that the federal government shut down the coal industry? No,
Corey
8:15
No, okay. I mean, let's not be super cynical about this. Because look, I've got a lot of somewhat critical things to say about some of the answers that came out of today's press conference and so i want to be kind
Corey
8:28
you know i i'm not i don't want to i don't want to fall into some sort of rhetorical trap where everything's madness here the
Corey
8:33
the idea of phasing out coal was um you know that was part of the ndp's climate action plan and it was done for a lot of reasons not least of which is burning coal is not good for us right it creates respiratory diseases it puts things into the air that hurt us as humans not just you know co2 which will hurt us a lot as humans but on a longer time scale right um
Corey
8:55
um and then the federal government followed in with a their own coal standards i'm i'm so removed from government at this point i might be a little murky but ultimately the standard is not you cannot have coal it is good as gas you've got to create coal with emissions profiles that are more like natural gas so if you can do that you can continue to burn coal it's nobody's saying you can't burn coal they're saying you need to burn it at an incredibly high standard of you know um you know environmental care that's
Corey
9:23
that's not really economical you know what is burning coal so what's ended up happening is they've transitioned a lot of these coal plants to gas plants and that requires far fewer people so that has resulted in a lot of job losses in places like hinton alberta you know around these major uh coal plants that previously existed but
Carter
9:43
but what you're seem to be implying is that that was some sort of industry reaction to regular you know to some regulations i i recall that uh the
Carter
9:51
the progressive conservative government in alberta actually put a number of regulations in on coal uh that were sometimes stronger and more more limiting than the regulations that are actually put in by the federal government um
Carter
10:03
um so this may not be a federal government issue at all i
Corey
10:06
mean the federal government they stack their standard on top of a very strong alberta standard the alberta standard Standard can, of course, be removed, but then the federal standard becomes the new floor. And then, you know, so like if there's a common theme here, it's finding a way to pick a fight with the federal government on things that aren't really the federal government. Oh,
Carter
10:24
Oh, so I guess that then leads me to another question. She also brought up today that Danielle Smith suggested that maybe the federal government won't finish the TMX, the Trans Mountain Pipeline extension, that in some fashion, they're going to spend $21, $22 billion and stop in the middle. Did I hear that correctly, first of all?
Corey
10:48
yeah okay again yeah a theme here right which is federal government bad trying to pick a fight with the federal government oh
Corey
10:59
you're right the federal government after all of the cost overruns is on the hook for like 21 billion dollars to build this pipeline i think it was 13 or 14 billion dollars is it yeah
Corey
11:08
so a lot more 21
Corey
11:10
21 billion oh yeah
Corey
11:11
is a lot but by the way a lot lot more than the federal government spending on say electric battery plants and modernization of the car industry in ontario for
Corey
11:23
forget that or think it was a long time ago despite the fact that that spending that 21 billion spending is happening right now they're finishing the pipeline supposed to come online i think in the fourth quarter of this year be concluded in the third quarter of this year so the idea that the federal government is going to not put any more money into it and get it done is um bullshit
Corey
11:43
now it's not to say that that bullshit isn't rooted in comments the federal government has made but the federal government's comments have been more like we're not putting more money into this you know yeah
Corey
11:52
not the same as saying it's not going to get done that that could imply other people come in and put money nobody's going to leave a pipeline like this you know one billion dollars short of the finish line say oh well Well, fuck it, I guess. I mean, who cares, right? I mean, that would be handy. That would make a lot of money. Who cares? You know, but a billion dollars. There's no private market for that.
Carter
12:11
You'd never be able to find the capital.
Corey
12:14
And even if nobody came in, do I believe the federal government wouldn't, if push comes to shove, finish the pipe? No, of course they'd fucking finish the pipeline. Because rational actors and, you know, as much as.
Carter
12:28
Yeah, well, I'm just asking the questions here, Corey. I don't like the attitude. wow
Carter
12:34
why am i by myself recording
Carter
12:37
recording so cory's left the podcast i'm not sure if i'm supposed to be continuing the podcast or not so
Corey
12:44
so just assume that
Corey
12:45
that you're the federal government you've invested 21 billion dollars in this and for fun let's say it's gonna cost two
Corey
12:52
two billion dollars for you to finish this project now
Corey
12:55
now you have a choice between just lighting 21 billion dollars on fire maybe be sending some asshole out with a crowbar to try to take it for scrap, or you can spend $2 billion and recoup your entire investment.
Corey
13:08
Does anybody actually, actually think that the federal government is going to say, oh, well, I guess we tried. We're done. You know, we're out. It was 21. It was going to take $2 billion more, and we had to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Like, that's just not going to happen.
Carter
13:21
They didn't teach you about the sunk cost fallacy in your fancy smancy MBA? What, they just skipped over that fallacy?
Corey
13:28
Just ask. That's a total misreading of the sunk cost fallacy. And here's the thing, like, even if you're the federal government, you're like, you know, I don't want to put $2 billion into it. Or I want to just minimize my losses. And I'm worried that operation costs, I'm worried it'll take more than $2 billion.
Corey
13:42
Your ability to kind of like sell a project that is just months from complete and $2 billion is a lot better than when this project started. it so yeah i'm
Carter
13:50
i'm sure there's buyers already
Carter
13:51
already looking at it i'm
Corey
13:52
i'm sure anyways absolutely so
Carter
13:54
so what you're saying is that the what is being said by the provincial government may not in fact be what is occurring with the federal government yeah
Corey
14:02
yeah so god you're gonna run us through a whole list and i want to talk about the list of these things but can i just sort of jump in and tell you i
Corey
14:09
i had I had a buddy, his name's Dave, when
Corey
14:12
when I was about 20 years old. Yeah.
Corey
14:16
Nicest guy. Huge guy. Tall, massive, like giant bodybuilder, right? Yeah. Really, really big guy. Biggest guy you're going to meet, right? Certainly the biggest guy most nights when you're in the bar. But like a gentle giant type of person. Well, one night I'm at the Strathcona Inn in Edmonton, sitting
Corey
14:35
sitting at the bar. My buddy Dave, a couple of other people.
Corey
14:39
And this guy comes in, comes
Corey
14:41
comes up to Dave, who's
Corey
14:42
who's just sitting there, drinking his beer, just talking to his friends,
Corey
14:45
punches Dave in the head.
Corey
14:47
Dave's very confused. You know, he just, he's like, why? Why did you do that? And this other guy's got his fists up. He's vibrating. He clearly wants to, he just wants a fight. He wants to go into the bar and pick a fight with the biggest guy in the bar, like almost prison rule style. Right? Yeah.
Corey
15:05
And Dave's just confused. He doesn't know even why a fight is potentially on the table. Now, I
Corey
15:10
I don't think the feds are confused, but, you
Corey
15:13
you know, this conservative government is offering an awful lot of the same energy that this rando who came at Dave that night, you know, 20
Corey
15:20
20 years ago brought. rot it's just it
Corey
15:25
it we're gonna this this is gonna be exhausting because not only do we have like four more of these from this ama that happened today we've
Corey
15:34
we've got four more months of this as a province because it's just never gonna stop it's never gonna stop listen
Carter
15:40
listen i of course have heard that story before because you in fact pitched it and the movie dave was made from that story it was was a fantastic story and i'm there
Corey
15:48
there were a few follow-up yeah
Carter
15:51
yeah but i mean ultimately uh the primary story still shone through um
Corey
15:56
i mean it was ultimately a story about a guy doing the right thing exactly
Carter
16:00
exactly it was a story now so speaking about uh someone doing the right thing the federal government in its infinite wisdom has decided to stop allowing cars to drive to the moraine lake because of increase of traffic um the
Carter
16:13
the biggest complaint from the provincial government appears to be that this may constrain albertans ability to affordably access uh the national park um given
Carter
16:25
given that the the federal the provincial government brought in the kananaskis pass do you feel they're being a little bit hypocritical or is that just me because i actually go outside uh
Corey
16:36
uh i mean it's it's mostly you because you go outside it's
Corey
16:40
it's not like you You don't have to spend money to go into a national park. Hang
Carter
16:43
Hang on. I got an idea.
Carter
16:47
outside? Is that why he's unable to record with us?
Corey
16:50
We will never see him again if he's outside. That guy can't. He'll never
Corey
16:55
You know, he lives near Confederation Park in Calgary. And I worry when he goes on walks, he won't find his way back.
Corey
17:06
It's a big park. It's fine.
Carter
17:09
Jesus. is it listeners
Carter
17:11
listeners that's not much confederation confederation park and antigonish uh
Corey
17:18
also fair the most generic thing okay listen here's
Corey
17:21
here's my bigger beef with this despite the fact that yet again it's just another thing that i guess we're supposed to be outraged about yeah
Corey
17:28
uh do me a solid here steve okay you're
Corey
17:30
you're sure you're not a smart guy but you're an old guy so you were around when this happened yeah
Corey
17:34
when was alberta founded as a province uh
Carter
17:37
uh 1905 i believe if i'm correct that's
Corey
17:41
do you know do you know when banff national park became a national park i
Carter
17:46
i believe it was just before the 19 1900 was it not it was the 1885
Carter
17:52
1885 close but not quite okay so
Corey
17:55
banff has been a national park 20
Corey
17:57
20 years longer than alberta has been a province and for uh you know the suggestion that the minister is there to defend us against the national interests in the national park that is older than the province is
Corey
18:10
is a little much for me, frankly. And that would be even if we didn't just have fundamentally, like, is
Corey
18:17
is this what we care about now? A single parking lot at a single thing in Banff National Park being restricted for
Corey
18:25
for a small portion of time?
Carter
18:28
Yeah, well, that's a good question. I mean, I do have another segment I'd like to tee up here, because I think that this one's getting a little old.
Carter
18:40
segment brought to you by Flair Airlines where parking is the least of your problems.
Corey
18:48
Not brought to you by Flair, but very good.
Carter
18:51
Thank you very much. I'd like to show that Zane's not the only one who can do this stuff.
Carter
18:58
Sovereignty Act, we've talked about ad nauseum. We talked about why would they pass the Sovereignty Act. we talked about what is the sovereignty act designed to do you and i actually did a segment on whether or not uh zane's mother-in-law should actually sign the sovereignty act into law um
Carter
19:15
danielle was on asked about the sovereignty act i would think 50 times maybe
Carter
19:19
maybe not 50 times but lots of times today in the press conference and and they centered around a theme of if not for this then when would you use the sovereignty act and i must say that she kind of deferred away from the idea of using the sovereignty act and i wondered at
Carter
19:37
point does not using the sovereignty act become a problem or a threat for danielle smith where she has created this weapon of
Carter
19:46
of the sovereignty act and if she chooses not to use it will her supporters in some fashion and wonder if she's just not got the guts to stand up to Ottawa. Could that be some sort of a future problem that current premier is making for herself as she moves through trying to govern our ungovernable province?
Corey
20:10
Well, maybe. So the fundamental challenge she has with the Sovereignty Act is it's
Corey
20:16
it's not constitutional, Or at least not in any way that would assuage her supporters.
Corey
20:24
she can't use it. And it's just so – it's like almost a localized trope at this point where people in Alberta, lawyers in Alberta, constitutional experts in Alberta, political science professors in Alberta will
Corey
20:39
will take the last thing Danielle Smith said and we're going to use the Sovereignty Act or we could use the Sovereignty Act for something like this. And they'll say, how? Show me how. Tell me what that legislation would look like. Where do you think is the federal override or the overstep here that that is something that you could then retaliate on? We've seen things like maybe we could use the Sovereignty Act for plastic straws. We've seen maybe we could use the Sovereignty Act to stop EV targets, I think, at one point. Right.
Corey
21:08
you know it's just like i
Corey
21:12
i don't you know it's it's become this thing i was saying on twitter it's it's a mcguffin from film like at this point you're not supposed to ask questions about the sovereignty act it's just the thing that people are fighting over it's it's the battle and to your question um
Corey
21:27
don't know if you remember the movie dave where they had the the briefcase and they just kept saying is that what i think it is and you know the various characters were fighting over it and you just saw light illuminate their face that
Carter
21:37
that was a good movie yeah i really that's my favorite part of dave yep and
Corey
21:43
then there was a a sitcom called community years later oh
Corey
21:47
oh yeah where they're like is that what i think it is and they open it and they showed it was just a light right but like it was one of those things where you
Corey
21:55
if you open it and you show there's nothing in the briefcase the illusion is snapped so if she goes out and And she tries to use
Corey
22:03
use this Sovereignty Act, and it immediately gets struck down by the courts as something that's unconstitutional, ultra vires, outside of the power of the province, right?
Corey
22:13
That's a problem for her, right? She sure can't do it now because there's almost too much time before the election.
Corey
22:18
And if you find
Corey
22:21
find a situation where everyone's like, well, clearly, if it was made for anything, it was made for this. So you got to use it now. And she doesn't use it. That's a problem. So you might have a point. And I wonder, I
Corey
22:33
I mean, I don't know that there's wisdom in Justin Trudeau picking a fight with Danielle Smith. We've talked about that. We've talked
Carter
22:39
talked about that, yeah.
Corey
22:42
But if he wanted to, if
Corey
22:43
if he wanted to, part
Corey
22:45
part of me thinks this would be the moment to poke her in the eye, like almost to do something that her supporters think this Sovereignty Act will absolutely allow her to deal with it. which
Corey
22:54
which of course as we've gone through we know it can't and basically watch her twist in the wind for two months as she explains either
Corey
23:01
either why she can't use it or watch her use it and then have it immediately slapped down by the courts i
Carter
23:07
think that this is why i asked the question because i think that you know in political strategy strength is rewarded and impotence is punished and
Carter
23:15
and this feels to me like she's created uh
Carter
23:19
uh her own impotence right where she has put herself in a position where she has written this act she's quickly passed the act rather than talking about it because she could have very easily talked about it and made it you know the first bill in the spring session but
Corey
23:34
but she couldn't well
Corey
23:35
well i mean she could i guess she could have done that you gotta go way back in
Corey
23:38
time she put herself in a box right
Carter
23:39
right you gotta get way back in the way back machine to make that actually happen but had
Carter
23:44
had she not gone out big guns a blazing that she was going to bring in this as the first act, um, then maybe she would be in a position where she doesn't have to, um, make it, uh, the, the, the centerpiece. And, and if it's not the centerpiece, then maybe she gets to kind of live for another day. Uh, I've, I'm, I
Carter
24:06
I actually like the opportunity because of course I'm not real keen on Danielle Smith remaining the, the premier of the province. I think that this is a really interesting opportunity for
Carter
24:16
for her to kind of suffer a little little bit and her supporters um
Carter
24:21
may start to walk away from her if she's perceived as weak on the federal government uh and and and it does kind of you know you're you know we're doing this whole why is this happening kind of podcast uh about the rhetoric that danielle smith is using for the for the uh with the with the federal government well part of it is the
Carter
24:42
the rhetoric is the only strength she has the words that she's using are infinitely stronger than a non-constitutional or non-constitutional uh piece of legislation that she ran through a reluctant legislature um so i just you know when i was thinking about this i thought man it feels like she's created her own problem because now she's going to appear impotent and uh i was looking for that answer from From you, you kind of blew it, so I had to fill in the answer for myself.
Corey
25:12
Okay, but I got a question about that. You say a bunch of things that I just have trouble with, like her supporters are going to walk away if she seems impotent in the face of the federal government.
Corey
25:23
Yeah. Walk away to where? Walk away to where?
Carter
25:26
But I think this is what we learned from the Abacus poll in mid-December. The Abacus poll says that where they walk away to is nowhere. They walk away from the UCP. they walk away from the NDP, and they just simply don't participate in the next election. And in Alberta, we have that history. Well, I think in more than just Alberta, we have that history. There are many provinces, many, you know, even the federal government have seen lower turnout elections, when the electorate is not thrilled about the choices that they're presented with. In Alberta, the 2008 election had the lowest turnout ever. And it was primarily primarily because no one wanted Kevin Taft with the Liberals or Ed Stelmack with the Conservatives to be the Premier, and they didn't vote for them. So the risk to Danielle is to demotivate her existing base, and if she demotivates it enough, there is a risk that potentially she's unable to get them to come out and vote for her in May.
Carter
26:31
May. so that's what that's what i'm watching um i'll be watching to see if that continues and if she has to ramp up the rhetoric all the way to 11 um to actually try and stop that from happening can
Corey
26:44
can i ask though let me follow up here do
Corey
26:47
do you think her odds get worse if
Corey
26:50
if those people are no longer with her like do you think her odds go down in the city of calgary if if like the the the most fringe parts of the conservative movement say
Corey
27:00
say she's too moderate like or too ineffectual or walk away yeah
Carter
27:04
yeah they do if she continues to court them and
Carter
27:08
and i think that this
Corey
27:09
this is the lesson
Corey
27:10
lesson that's interesting yeah
Carter
27:12
lesson that we learned from danielle smith in 2012 is that she was willing to follow um the
Carter
27:18
the shit all the way down the drain uh i can't think of another way of putting it
Corey
27:22
um It's, it's, well, that's, that's, uh, evocative. Yeah. Yeah.
Carter
27:28
Yeah. It was evocative. I try and give you the best words. Um, and she followed, she followed the shit all the way down to the drain. You know, she followed it with, uh, with her lake of fire. She's followed it with her anti-vax campaign. She's following it, um, all
Carter
27:43
all the, you know, she's starting projects and she's just finishing them, uh, without really much consideration for what the long-term consequences are. And I think that that is, in a nutshell, who Danielle Smith is. So, you
Carter
27:57
you know, it'll be interesting to see if she's able to move away from some of these positions, or even if she wants to. Can she?
Carter
28:05
You know, because she is surrounded by people who don't want to move away from these positions.
Corey
28:10
Good segment, Corey. So, Carter, yeah,
Corey
28:13
yeah, I guess so. Okay, you're
Carter
28:15
you're going to ask another question? Well,
Corey
28:16
Well, I'm still – play
Corey
28:18
play this one through for me because I – frankly, I still don't kind of buy it, right?
Corey
28:23
The – say there's a situation where Danielle Smith – you're
Corey
28:29
you're saying before May too, just to be clear. Like these guys say – and largely they are guys, but her supporters say, okay,
Corey
28:36
okay, this is all smoke and mirrors. It's like the liberal Tory, same old story. Kenny Smith, same old myth. You're never going to fight, Ottawa. Oh,
Carter
28:45
Oh, that's really good, Kenny Smith. Wow. I'm writing that down.
Corey
28:50
Yeah. I'm good with words. And
Corey
28:52
you think then, what? Like, what's the next day? You think that Danielle Smith then starts begging them to come back through different, more fringe extreme things and abandons this whole federal thing? Or do you think she sort of ignores that and says, well,
Corey
29:09
well, what do you think, Rachel Notley? she
Carter
29:11
she doubles down on the whatever language she's using right
Carter
29:15
right she goes back and tries to win them over using the same techniques there's the the point you're making about the amount of time is really relevant there is not a lot of time for her to change strategies not a lot of time for her to change horses so if she starts going down this path and it doesn't work she doesn't have a lot of time to switch so she will just double down on what she's already got because first of all Switching may not even be advised, depending on how late she's getting into the game. And secondly, she doesn't like to switch her strategies. She likes to keep things nice and simple and on the same track. And that's, I think that that's where the potential weakness lies for her on some of these issues where her supporters are fucking nuts. And, you
Carter
30:03
know, I don't think that the rest of the population is going to be sitting around going, oh, thank God the crazy people have gone away. Now I can start to vote for the woman with the crazy rhetoric that was trying to appeal to the crazy people.
Corey
30:18
Well, I'm less convinced because I still don't necessarily see a clear through line between the dissatisfaction of the far right and
Corey
30:26
Danielle Smith losing votes in Calgary.
Carter
30:31
I just want to say this has been a great episode because you and i having a conversation is what people join the the strategist podcast for uh zane not being here i think has turned out to be a real bonus uh
Corey
30:43
fact that we can't find
Carter
30:43
find you know can't find him uh sure it appeared like that was going to be dominant and annoying for quite a period of time i i think i'm getting over it i think that uh i'm moving past it so
Corey
30:57
do you know that six dollar patreon money split two ways i
Carter
31:01
know right i've already started to
Corey
31:02
to think about that yeah
Carter
31:03
yeah i started to think about that
Carter
31:04
yeah no for sure um
Carter
31:08
e-bikes are very expensive and i am not fit anymore so i may have to go that direction hey
Carter
31:16
hey cory can i ask you a question you
Carter
31:18
you've got children i
Corey
31:20
i do i've got lots of them three
Carter
31:22
three four five who can count i
Corey
31:24
i i mean it's like ancient ancient civilizations count one too many i'm in many i'm not one i'm not two i'm many yeah
Carter
31:31
yeah so you in
Carter
31:32
in fact you were telling me a story about one of your kids today i
Carter
31:34
completely forgot which one i don't even remember what the topic was but let me ask you this question which like
Carter
31:41
like are you worried about the shortage of ibuprofen that currently that existed before christmas like
Carter
31:48
like have you had to go like is this something that still haunts you no
Corey
31:52
no uh before christmas it was it was something that was not great right because i had my kids were sick before everybody's kids have been sick like in circuit like perpetually here yeah
Corey
32:05
and we uh you know we were doing things like um using the the adult formulas and cutting them you know like you have one of these capsules and you sort of split them we were making
Corey
32:16
making decisions like okay they don't seem that bad so i'm going to keep this children's ibuprofen for another day you know we'll see how they feel tomorrow things Things you don't want to do as a parent, right, because you worry about dose and because you don't want to see your kids suffer.
Corey
32:31
But, yeah, that was not a lot of fun. I'll say my kids are not currently sick, so I couldn't tell you the current state of ibuprofen.
Carter
32:40
Do you don't know if there's ibuprofen in the stores? I seem to recall the
Carter
32:44
the last time I was in the stores that the shelves had all filled themselves back up. Yeah, I'm
Corey
32:48
I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Yeah,
Carter
32:50
Yeah, because the reason I'm asking is that our provincial government has invested in, like, I
Carter
32:57
I believe it's 4.5 or like millions of bottles of ibuprofen. Yeah,
Corey
33:02
Yeah, I think it was like two and a half million or something. Like
Carter
33:05
Like it was four, four million, I think.
Carter
33:08
And so my question to you is, what the fuck are we going to do with all this children's ibuprofen?
Carter
33:15
Like, are there alternative uses? Will this give me an erection?
Corey
33:19
I mean, I don't know. It depends on – I hope not, I guess. I'll just finish that thought.
Carter
33:24
That seems what all drugs are made for now. So I don't even understand.
Corey
33:30
I mean, you can't open your medicine cabinet and assume it's representative. I'm just going to say that. Good
Corey
33:39
The thing I got to tell you, though, is this is a very classic government mistake. stake um it's the moment of crisis i'm going to resolve the crisis with an action that will take so long as to get us outside of the moment of crisis yes right
Carter
33:57
it by a gajillion yeah
Corey
33:59
yeah i mean and then all of a sudden we're sitting there on massive stockpiles of things right and yeah
Corey
34:04
yeah it's it's just it's um it's
Corey
34:07
it's it's kind of amusing it's darkly amusing because Because, of course, for those who have been following this story,
Corey
34:14
the provincial government said, well, this is a bloody outrage. We're just going to go get our own ibuprofen, get our own children's drugs. Got them from, I believe, Turkey?
Corey
34:24
Might be wrong on that. Yes, I believe so.
Corey
34:26
And then Health Canada said, well, hold on. Like, we've got to make sure that it meets safety requirements. requirements and and then there was also they said and it's got to be in both official languages which i think gave them you know them being the daniel smith government then something to complain about and be like oh my god they just want to have french on the labels this is for alberta blah blah blah right i mean yeah
Corey
34:47
say what you will but it's important that people in a country can read the the medical information and we are a bilingual country um but maybe you you sort of buy that practical argument but we've recently found that one of the challenges seems to be like there's no like children's tops of them you know like the safety mechanisms for the bottles the
Corey
35:06
the uh you know the dose information wasn't the same like there were there were a bunch of problems and and so now like this stuff is not going to land
Corey
35:15
you know and not needed so yeah
Carter
35:17
it definitely passed the date when it was actually required i mean i do think that it is quite amusing that
Carter
35:22
that this took longer than uh took less time to figure out through the free market uh than it took danielle to figure figure out how to open a childproof cap. So
Carter
35:32
So that to me was pretty amazing. You know, the childproof cap flummoxed her. And, you
Carter
35:39
you know, this type of government intervention should also be
Carter
35:43
something that a pro
Carter
35:47
pro-business government should just be ignoring. They should not be interested in this type of solution because the free market should solve this type of issue. And
Carter
35:56
And they blamed it all on the feds but when you blame it all on the feds and it gets fixed before you fix something it's because the feds fixed it so you know just really really short-sighted government uh no strategy at all again um and i guess this is just part of par for the course uh for the danielle smith uh ucp so
Corey
36:17
so no i disagree with you on this one i think actually it worked out fine for danielle smith and look from a policy point of view i've already told you doesn't it's not really going going to have any impact sounds like at least right maybe there will be other shortages maybe we'll be sitting on massive stockpiles of hopefully not expired ibuprofen that
Corey
36:35
that we can then marshal towards the good children of alberta right but
Corey
36:40
but i feel like you're
Carter
36:41
you're not going to give it to the bad children you're just going to not
Corey
36:43
not going to give it not
Corey
36:44
not going to give it to the bad thanks
Carter
36:46
thanks a lot two things okay two
Corey
36:49
two things one is your set you're making the moment almost isolated from everything else that was going on and it came at a time when daniel smith was taking some beatings over the sovereignty act there were challenges just in general with government messaging and they changed the channel by saying shame on the trudeau government right not getting medicine for the kids but i'm gonna act i'm gonna get this medicine for the kids oh and now they don't even want to let us give the medicine to the kids what a bunch of dicks and it's because Because of these arcane, impractical, Ottawa-imposed regulations, right?
Corey
37:23
And that's going to be the end of the story for most Albertans. Like, do you think that there's going to be a lot of follow-up coverage of this medicine actually didn't come in time and wasn't useful? And by the way, the medicine you see on the shelf is not because of the provincial government, because of the federal government.
Corey
37:38
I think for a lot of Albertans, they're going to say, man, those shelves were empty. And then Danielle Smith said, we're going to fix this. And next time I went, there was medicine on the shelves, you know, and they're going to see causation where there is none. And I just don't feel there's going to be enough robust wraparound coverage that that voter is going to be disappointed
Corey
37:57
disappointed or let down. Like, I actually think politically it worked out fine for the Smith government.
Carter
38:04
Well, I mean, you're just wrong.
Corey
38:10
mean look if somebody wants to make a make hay of it if the ndp decide this is going to be our big attack i
Corey
38:17
made hay and then i made a really
Carter
38:18
really good joke about not being able to figure out a child's proof cap and you didn't even laugh i
Corey
38:22
i didn't even chuckle i
Corey
38:24
was sitting here waiting and thinking about what i was going to say and do i didn't even yeah you
Corey
38:28
you were thinking about yourself
Carter
38:29
yourself again is what you were doing i
Corey
38:31
i always do this
Carter
38:32
this is why having zane is very helpful because Because when Zayn is there, you and I can laugh at each other's jokes because we don't have to worry
Corey
38:38
worry about Zayn. And we ignore him. Yeah, we ignore him. We ignore Zayn, which is why— We take the 10 minutes where he preambles, and
Corey
38:44
and we get our thoughts together. Do
Carter
38:45
Do you think that people have figured out that the reason we don't answer his questions are because we
Carter
38:49
we don't listen to them?
Carter
38:52
You're answering my questions.
Corey
38:54
It's actually a little unnerving for me. I don't like it very much. Well, they're shorter, I think. It's kind of like direct response.
Carter
39:02
I got one more question for you. Do you think he's
Corey
39:04
he's got GPS on his phone? Do you think we could track him down? We
Corey
39:07
We should have put
Carter
39:08
put find my phone on his phone. I
Carter
39:10
I think that that was a mistake that
Carter
39:12
that we didn't do that.
Carter
39:15
If we see him again.
Corey
39:16
again. Do you think his wife knows where he is?
Carter
39:19
You know what? I'm going to be honest. She does not text with me.
Carter
39:29
has not texted me in some time. i think we got a text from her once no
Carter
39:36
no we we got a text the last time we got a text from her was when he was in the hospital yeah
Corey
39:41
yeah and we haven't gotten that text so
Carter
39:44
can't be in the hospital
Corey
39:45
hospital we can we can make some assumptions there i guess yeah
Carter
39:47
yeah unless well i'm not going to bring up the unless we'll just let our listeners figure that out
Corey
39:52
what did i say i'm trying not to say it i'm trying not to say it i
Corey
39:57
i am being good
Corey
39:58
i'm being big yeah you're a good guy yeah i'm
Carter
40:00
i'm a good guy no
Corey
40:02
i i really truly believe that this is not something that's going to hurt the daniel smith government one iota unless unless unless somebody decides they want to make a big deal of it but the thing is if they made a big deal of it they would be passing up opportunities to make big deals out of things that are more damaging to the smith government at the end of
Corey
40:21
because if i'm daniel smith i say you
Corey
40:24
you know what you can can sit there and you can armchair quarterback and you can tell me that this didn't work out but i am not going to apologize for trying and for doing things and putting the health and safety of albertans first and i would rather err on the side of that than be a do-nothing government that just hopes justin trudeau is going to come through for us okay
Carter
40:43
okay fine i'll let you have that one um
Carter
40:47
we're not going to move on to our next segment our fifth segment is by my count uh but i may not have introduced the
Carter
40:54
the other camp we
Corey
40:54
we ever gotten through five segments with no
Carter
40:57
not this is ridiculous um speaking
Carter
41:00
speaking of health care uh
Carter
41:01
uh this is brought to us by flare airlines where nine out of ten
Carter
41:04
flights uh end up with you have it without you having to access health care um she talked a lot danielle
Carter
41:12
danielle really doubled down on health care she doubled down on uh making significant changes to primary care increasing access to services and also health care spending accounts um my question to you cory i mean changing primary health care i've believed in for years uh increasing access to surgeries seems like a pretty decent idea health care spending accounts like to spend on things that aren't covered by uh you know under the current canada health act that seems like a decent idea too why is it when danielle says that it sounds evil
Corey
41:44
well because with any message you
Corey
41:47
you have to consider not just the message but the messenger right
Corey
41:50
right and everybody comes pre-loaded with a brand right
Corey
41:55
right and that brand may be in some context i'm an expert in something right right or
Corey
42:01
or i am a deeply compassionate individual or maybe it's something just as simple as like i'm gonna have a good time listening to this person but you have a brand and those brands set expectations and everything is filtered through that so if you you go and you see a comedian and they say something and it's shocking maybe
Corey
42:21
that's and i'm gonna have a good time guy and you're gonna laugh right whereas if it's somebody who's very stern and serious you take it very stern and serious and you say i'm not happy with that comment at all and
Corey
42:31
and similarly with politicians you know they they have brands and they have baggage in many cases and
Corey
42:38
and danielle smith has made so many comments about what she wants to do with health care it's hard not to see any action in the health care system is moving chess pieces around towards what we feel is her end goal, which is more private activity in healthcare,
Corey
42:51
Is it? Is it not? Does she just want to make investments in healthcare that, as you've said, on their surface seem pretty sensible?
Corey
42:58
Hard to say, but I will also say that that kind of feeling you have, I
Corey
43:03
I doubt all Albertans have. I think a lot of Albertans will just say, yeah, I wouldn't mind a bit of an HSA that just follows me from the province. And sure, I think primary care needs to to be improved although i gotta say well
Corey
43:17
well i do believe that there are big improvements we need to make to primary care and just sort of the model overall and how we move people through the health system yeah
Corey
43:24
this does sort of feel like a thing that we talked a lot more about 10 years ago than now as albertans it's a bit of a theme i think for the smith government yeah
Carter
43:33
yeah 10 years ago was when we were talking about it and the reason we were talking about is we had a significant shortage of doctors um and then we changed the system and changed the way we paid them And now we have a surplus of doctors, although we are shifting back since Daniel Smith came to power and Jason Kenney, we are now starting to experience the good old brain drain one more time. So really glad that we've got that experience under our belt. When you said the you have expectations of someone being funny, is that why you didn't laugh at my last two jokes?
Corey
44:13
well yeah i mean the inverse of expectations is a lack of right which is also a brand that you might you might bring into to things here okay
Carter
44:21
okay well just hypothetically
Carter
44:23
cory i just wanted to say you've done a hell of a job on
Carter
44:26
on answering all of my questions uh and as per our agreement it's now time for me to throw to you for the lightning round so
Corey
44:34
so i have to do the lightning round did
Corey
44:36
did we we agree to that i don't remember agreeing to that no
Carter
44:38
no but i forgot to do the lightning round so i thought i'd throw it to you and see how you did i
Corey
44:42
i mean that could have just okay uh lightning round coming at you here there's
Corey
44:47
there's so much that's happened do we are
Corey
44:49
are we just gonna okay uh
Corey
44:51
uh you can put it into
Carter
44:53
into the lightning round and pretend like it was a regular and
Carter
44:55
and then we'll do a whole segment on it like we do 80 of the time anyway that's
Corey
44:59
that's a good all right yeah
Corey
45:01
over under on three months that kevin mccarthy is speaker of the house of representatives in the united states let
Carter
45:09
let me tell you my jeb bush prediction stands as one of the best predictions in the history of uh politics so i will obviously take the under on kevin mccarthy uh there's no way he can make it more than three months and more importantly there is no way he should want to have that job for more than three months he wants it long enough to get a picture uh his portrait will be in the in the the foyer of the the congress forever and that's really all he should ever want
Corey
45:39
okay well i think it'll be over but i think only in name i i just it doesn't feel to me like there's any possibility that um you
Corey
45:48
you know that he's going to have any real authority in the house the minute the rubber hits the road the minute they've got to deal with things like dead ceilings let
Carter
45:54
let me ask you this question does
Carter
45:56
go to does he last longer uh than matt gates jail sentence for uh procure
Carter
46:04
procure you know sex trafficking hmm
Corey
46:07
hmm geez what a dark place the united states has become huh hard
Corey
46:13
hard to say here's
Carter
46:14
here's another one does he go does he last longer than the next accidental shooting that lauren laura bobert lauren bobert has in her own family god
Corey
46:24
okay well we're gonna just brush right right past that one here i got one for you you here okay
Carter
46:30
okay i'll get a question for
Corey
46:35
over under on uh
Corey
46:39
don't know how he does this what's his normal format i don't tend to listen to it yeah
Carter
46:43
yeah it doesn't matter what the scale is i'll make up an answer that's
Carter
46:47
you have to think of it doesn't matter what the scale is how
Corey
46:49
how about a letter grade for jordan peterson's uh performance on twitter to try to to maintain his uh psychology license well
Carter
46:58
i tell you if if um if
Carter
47:00
if the good people of twitter were determining whether or not jordan peterson should maintain his psychology license he'd have no problem because the the the trolls came out of the woodwork to support him unfortunately i don't think that's the right audience i think i'm just going on a limb here it may be reinforcing some some of the negative things that they were complaining about.
Corey
47:22
Well, he posted online, um, documents, which he then took down that actually had the names of the like complainants on it. They were, they were masked by like black boxes and PDFs. They could be pulled off fairly easily.
Carter
47:35
Oh, that's not great. Um, I
Carter
47:39
I don't think he's going to do very, I think that he might be a psychiatrist for less time than Kevin McCarthy, speaker of the house.
Corey
47:52
okay um in uh we've got mexico we've got the leaders of canada the united states and mexico uh meeting to talk about you know the trilateral matters in front of us stephen carter over under on seven the likelihood that you know the name of the president of mexico uh
Carter
48:11
uh it's going to be uh zero um
Carter
48:13
um because i heard the name of the president of mexico just yesterday and i went that's not uh vicente what's fox vicente
Corey
48:24
vicente fox yeah he's not been yeah like three presidents
Carter
48:32
you know i thought
Carter
48:34
thought and then i thought i should remember that what was his name i can't remember so it was
Carter
48:39
and out of my head so quickly i i'm not not going to remember what
Corey
48:47
no no make me look stupid he has a nickname he has a nickname it's amlo so
Corey
48:52
just remember that and
Corey
48:53
and that makes it sound like you know i'm even better what
Carter
48:56
what would you well first of all amlo amlo
Corey
49:01
amlo as it like mlo when
Carter
49:04
when when playing when doing shootouts with the cartel amlo is that no
Corey
49:10
That's just ignorant, what you said right there. It's
Corey
49:13
It's an ignorant thing to say. Yeah. Well, I'm
Carter
49:15
I'm just saying it because I have empathy for the dozens of Canadian tourists that were trapped in Mexico, unable to return.
Carter
49:28
Is that where Zane is?
Corey
49:33
Did Zane take a discount trip? That would explain the lack of shirts. Yeah. Yeah.
Carter
49:38
took a discount trip to
Carter
49:40
to mexico and didn't even tell us but you know he was wearing a toque in that shirt he
Corey
49:45
wears just a dirt bag time
Carter
49:46
time have you not like he
Carter
49:48
a toque in the middle of summer it's
Corey
49:51
it's a good point i
Carter
49:51
i don't understand it because i'm hot all the time but he just puts a toque on and like
Carter
49:57
like it and i'll be honest if i had hair like his hair i would never wear a toque
Carter
50:01
I would just let go of his hair. His hair is the best hair on the Strategist podcast.
Corey
50:07
And sadly, that's becoming not much of a contest, I'm afraid to say.
Corey
50:13
So what I'm unclear of, can I just say, I got one more lightning round question, but I think I should ask you before the lightning round question.
Corey
50:19
How do we end the podcast?
Corey
50:23
Which one of us has to do it? No, like, I mean, for this particular one, because I'm doing the lightning round, but you're supposed to be hosting. Oh,
Carter
50:29
Oh, I can do the ending. I'll do the ending yeah
Carter
50:33
what we'll want to do is we want to make sure that when we do decide to end it that
Carter
50:37
that it just ends